CELTIC CHIT CHAT

Your comment that Celtic would not have won the game if that goal stood is more absurd LC

longchamps, the pundits only committed themselves to "probably crossed the line" why do I have to be 100% sure.

zip, it's not us that have to move on, it's them. It's hard to move on when you don't see any sign of change.

zip i dont think i made any comment about who would have won the game.

Jan 2, 2012 -- 8:34PM, longchamps wrote:

feck you have long lost any credibility you may have had on this forum with your insane ramblings about refs .but you have now hit new heights if youre saying the wallace goal didnt cross the line.just accept for once that you won the game by default .it might help people from looking at you as a figure of fun on here.

By suggesting it was won by default would imply that is what you meant

ive no idea what the final score would have been zip but im sure you would agree the first goal is crucial in any celtic rangers game.

just want to congratulate the Celtic support today, absolutely fantastic from start to finish, truly the best fans in the UK. With them Scottish football would die. 10000 there today 7000 Tims, fantastic. Hail Hail

*without them even

Jan 2, 2012 -- 10:34PM, johnnyc123 wrote:

just want to congratulate the Celtic support today, absolutely fantastic from start to finish, truly the best fans in the UK. With them Scottish football would die. 10000 there today 7000 Tims, fantastic. Hail Hail

1888

1888

Longchamps still on here winging about the gubbing they got on the 28th! you got beat fair and square get over it!!! Get used to it aswell cause when your club is raped in the transfer market you may never witness another gers Derby win

pity you disappeared when your team were humped last year johnny.

i was in china for 18 months working cant get on betsy over there

heard your signing Nova the little rat faced hun

The tax man is coming How much of the warchest will be splashed in the transfer market from the savior that is the Wythe Knight

Even that rat Jim Traynor is jumping ship

James Traynor of the Daily Record has issued a stark warning to Rangers fans that their club might be killed off.

The scale of the financial crisis at Ibrox remains unknown but in September in an exclusive interview with Craig Whyte Traynor revealed that the club wagebill had increased by 20% since the billionaire bought the club from Sir David Murray.

With no European income to supplement the clubs’ cashflow Whyte issued a grim warning about the financial situation regardless of the on-going tax worries.

“I didn’t buy Rangers to watch the club fail,” the new chairman claimed in September. “But hard decisions will have to be made and we’ll start making them very quickly.

“I put myself in the position of owning a football club so I cant moan about it now, although the payroll every month is not something I find enjoyable.

“Decisions will have to be made and there will be pain but no matter the outcome of the bigger tax case we will still be here. Rangers will still be playing at Ibrox and moving forward.

“Yes, we have inherited a mess from the previous management and there are a lot of issues we are working through.

“But the main thing is we have to get real we are stuck in Scottish football and our costs are significantly more than the income we bring in and that has to be dealt with.

“We have to get to the stage where we can at least break even and live within our means. We’re very far from being there at the moment.

“We are geared up for being in the Champions League every season that’s the cost base we’ve got.”

The reality of that cost base, the uncertainty over the tax bill and a sustained title challenge from Celtic has changed the landscape since Whyte’s arrival as new owner in May.

Fergus McCann is possibly the only person to have made money out of Scottish football with others such as Murray, John Boyle and Pearse Flynn finding that their success in other business fields can’t be transferred into the unique world of football. That reality seems to be dawning on Whyte.

As Ally McCoist and the Rangers support plead for further investment the likelihood is that it will only be outgoing business for the club this month with the price for players such as Nikica Jelavic and Steve Davis unlikely to match the value that Rangers currently place on them.

In an opinion piece this morning Traynor warns: “Rangers, as they’ve been known for more than a century, might be killed off and a new club born from the fall-out and recriminations.

“A ruling on the HMRC case is expected this month but there may be a feeling within Ibrox that no matter the outcome of the tax dispute, the best way, maybe the only way, forward is administration or some form of liquidation.

“However, that would require a lot of explaining. All those fans who bought into the new regime but who have since been trying not to think of worst-case scenarios will finally be demanding answers to questions they should have been asking months ago.”

imagine a team in that bad a financial state going for 4 in a row.
makes you wonder whats happening at parkhead eh.

SHOWS HOW RUBBISH A MANAGER LENNON IS

enjoy administration or liquidation.

Laffatime out, gatsmith out, jellybitch off. Novo and Healy up front, yeah we are ****

1967 forever in our Shadow!

Neil Lennon's Record as Celtic Manager
League
Matches 67
Won 53
Drew 7
Lost 7

Europe
Matches 12
Won 5
Drew 3
Lost 4

Domestic Cup
Matches 13
Won 10
Drew 1
Lost 2

TOTAL
Matches 92
Won 68 (74%)
Drew 11 (12%)
Lost 13 (14%)

Statistically his Win % is the 2nd best of any manager ever from Celtic or Rangers, behind only Martin O'Neill(75%) and is better than Jock Stein(69%) and Rangers' best Advocaat(67%)

yeah shocking manager, get a grip. last year lost out to Smith a very experienced manager, you think he will have the same problems this year with the pie munching game show host.

YOU SHOULD BE CONGRATULATING THE SCOUTING TEAM RATHER THAN THE MANAGER

THE QUALITY PLAYERS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND AT DECENT PRICES SHOULD MEAN YOUR TEAM ARE MILES CLEAR

RANGERS ARE ABYSMAL THE WORST RANGERS TEAM I HAVE PROBABLY EVER SEEN

oh yeah hears Fat Sallys and Paul League when

Paul Le Guen

Played 26

Won 15 Drew 5 Lost 6

Ally McCoist

Played 26

Won 14 Drew 6 Lost 6



oh yeah add on todays usual bending over of Mcalls murderwell, mullet headed cretin

remind me what he has won johnny because at the end of the day thats all that counts. it shouldnt take you too long to compile that list.

yeah scouts pick teams

scottish cup first full season. what has sally won?

1-0

remember remember the 5th of November, longchump

Cant you find RANKERS CHIT-CHAT thread

Im so sorry i didnt do a full bank job on this now, id have been up £500, but i wimped out, and just had this as one of a multiple. still up a not too shabby figure today.

Cant you find RANKERS CHIT-CHAT thread


last time i looked it was still being used as a gay music thread.

Jim Traynor Sacked from The Record

that's what you get when you speak about Rankers money problems, SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Took a break from the forum to do some missionary work Can anybody provide an update
on "joe1690"
Has he topped himself, or is he still in a padded cell and being kept away from sharp objects

quite e few seem to have come back recently from missionary work

longchamps - If you care to delve back into this thread you'll find I was a fairly
prolific poster regardless of whether it was rain hail or shine; so your "fair weather"
inference is misplaced on this occasion

i was thinking more of johnny 123/feck n eejit/ luna bid etc.

If you care to look back this thread longchamps you'll see I was defending the blessed one during Celtic's bleak period while most of the rest were gnashing their teeth and calling for his head.

I wonder if Ally was "disappointed" in how easily Kayal went down last week.

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i was thinking more of johnny 123/feck n eejit/ luna bid etc.

Longchump you joined the forum in Dec 2011 was it? check when I joined you cretin.

Again if you search back six or 7 pages you might find RANKERS CHIT-CHAT. Mactheknife is doing a wonderful job keeping it going with some lovely Bros tunes.

TIC TOCK TIC TOCK!!!!!!

Rangers are poised to win the race for St Johnstone striker Francisco Sandaza.

East Fife must be gutted

TEDDY BEARS MUST HAVE WON THE SCOTTISH PUB LOTTERY.

ive been on the forum 10 years m8.

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haven't gone anywhere I'm  here Win , Lose or Draw , just not a Loud Mouth Attention Seeker !

another nervy finish to a home game yesterday that should have been done and dusted at half time. If we dont bring in some new faces we will see a repeat of strachan's last season

Any handers gentlemen?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/01/14/family-in-desperate-race-to-raise-500-000-daughter-suffering-rare-form-of-cancer-86908-23698339/

http://www.justgiving.com/vanessa-appeal

I'm sure the treatment was featured in Stephen Hawking's brave new world programme and is no forlorn hope. It is a mega sum but if it's the treatment I saw on BNW I think they identify the part of the DNA responsible and prescribe drugs that target it, the problem being those drugs have to be taken for life.

Gary Hooper and Anthony Stokes now lending a hand

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2012/01/16/family-of-cancer-girl-vanessa-riddle-overwhelmed-as-fund-raises-80k-in-five-days-86908-23701345/

joe67     Joined: 11 Feb 03
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another nervy finish to a home game yesterday that should have been done and dusted at half time. If we dont bring in some new faces we will see a repeat of strachan's last season



unlucky joe is that 11 lays in a row you have lost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdO733POGDY

Nakamura Hits Free Kick Into A Moving Bus

january 2012 shaping up like January 2009. Defeat to be snatched from the jaws of victory?

Good signing of the Polish guy and good signing of the Swedish Lustig defender. Massive squad and good cover in most positions. Could do with selling some of the guys currently on loan like Juarez who cost 4 million and barely a word spoken about such a waste.

Rabiu Ibrahim Winger just signed. Another young promising player on little to no money.

both squad players at best and likely to end up like bangura. If hooper leaves or gets an injury we are in deep doo doo

Joe1690 still banging on about Bangura. huns sign CELIK and their fans are doing the Huddle, obsessed since 1888 fc.

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cast your mind back to this time January 2008 before getting smug

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mo bangura tweaks his knee

buy the record tomorrow should be fun reading, 8 page pull out on the Whyte knight and how the tax case was lost.

johnnyc123

I am afraid that is a rumour. It was supposed to be on CQN (Celtic Quick News) stating the fact that this would be highlighted tomorrow in the Record. However there is no mention of this at all on CQN.

lots of rumors flying about now mate. One very worrying one is there has been a police presence requested at Ibrox for some sort of announcement. I think the end is near for the Gers

Heard that one as well regarding an announcement on Wed. I have had so many texts regarding the CQN story but there does not seem to be anything in it. I agree that it does not look too clever for the team from Govan.

Ill be sad to see them go, but According to Speirs tonight, the country, the SFA, SPL, society, other clubs wont let rangers go out of business. If i was a bear i would be worried.

I really just want Celtic to make sure the title is won. If Jelavic goes and is not replaced which I think is a very strong possibility it would be difficult to think Rangers could mount a serious challenge.

well considering their strike force will be Healy and Lafferty probs 8th best in the SPL i hope we do. If we dont heads will roll.

apparently two Russian teams have offered 13.5 mill for Hooper

johnnyc123    where did you see that?

the fantasy channel

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...duo-eye-Hooper

here Tambhoy. If only we had the Whyte Knight in charge we could of got 3.5 million for him hey longchump

lmfao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3_hyBbvFZI

don't think that works,just google this

Hun Man - H.M.R.C.

cracker Tambhoy. No doubt Macthespoon will be putting that on the Big bears sing song thread. First one to post a photo of Ibrox with the Tescos sign wins a prize.

My post on 30th Jan re Jelavic is now true. The league is surely over.

or is it?

not over just yet

are you still laying celtic joe or have you given it up

laid unquoted and hoops clean sheet at start. Laid hoops ht at 1.1

red card for big dan. Squeaky bum time

He's a liability.Defence has been playing well no need to bring him back in.

cally down to 10

potential calamity avoided

joe is it lay  system going well send more money

Getting there

http://www.justgiving.com/vanessa-appeal

http://www.firstpost.com/topic/organization/celtic-fc-when-vanessa-riddle-met-celtic-fc-at-lennoxtown-video-6oZrOqP7Rgw-49298-1.html

Will Celtic let the Motherwell win?

ticket for ibrox

Posted this the other day.

liamcol 14 Jun 12 15:07
Neutrals meaning non Celtic or ex rangers fans, obviously.
Peter Lawell, and Celtic, do not have to say a thing at present.
They will have their vote, the same as the rest.
Some clubs may show a drop in income, others maybe not.
Football should be no different to any other business, pay what you can afford.
How much did Celtic pay for the following-

Ledley, Wanyama, Matthews, Hooper, Kayal, Izaguirre, Commons, Ki, Mulgrew, Forrest?
Around 8 million? in total.
How much are they worth now?
Conservative estimate- 60- 70 million?
This is the way ahead, buy young players with potential and sell them on when the right offers come in.
If Celtic can do it, so can the others.

Celtic knock back 6 million for Ki.
This is how you progress, not buy buying has beens like James Beattie, David Healy etc on ridiculous wages with no possible sell on fees.
No wonder rangers (1873) went bust and are no more.

Deafening silence from Celtic re the Rangers newco.

First time Peter Lawlell has ever been quiet on anything.

After all Celtic has ALWAYS been in cahoots with Rangers as regards voting,trying to take off to other leagues etc.


Whats it going to be Mr Lawlell?

Peter Lawell is playing a blinder, as always, that is why he was coveted by Arsenal, Chelsea and the like.
I feel I have to repeat this bit.

Ledley, Wanyama, Matthews, Hooper, Kayal, Izaguirre, Commons, Ki, Mulgrew, Forrest?
Around 8 million? in total.
How much are they worth now?
Conservative estimate- 60- 70 million?
This is the way ahead, buy young players with potential and sell them on when the right offers come in.
If Celtic can do it, so can the others.

Celtic knock back 6 million for Ki.
This is how you progress, not buy buying has beens like James Beattie, David Healy etc on ridiculous wages with no possible sell on fees.
No wonder rangers (1873) went bust and are no more.

So, Peter, and Neil of course, have been proved right all along, even though some so called Celtic fans, aka glory hunters, wanted us to match the ridiculous over inflated transfer fees paid by rangers (1873), though, as we now know, paid for by the taxpayer, we did the right thing.
evidence of course being, we are the league champions, we are still in existence, unlike rangers (1873).

What is funny now is, the man (watty smith) whose ego couldn't let Celtic dominate them, without the stolen taxpayers money, is now seen as the saviour, it just gets better and better.

Liam no one is interested in Celtic m8.
It`s all about The Rangers Football Club these day`s.

Hi Mac, hows the djing going on the newco thread?
Do you think "walter', could have come in earlier, if he really wanted to save rangers (1873)?
Did walter have an EBT?
Did the sfa receive compensation from rangers (1873) when walter walked away?
Did walter do the right thing, after being knocked out of Europe by Kaunas, by spending lavishly, rather than paying some debts?
Did walter tell the truth when he said rangers (1873) didn't get a league extension? (even though the league finished on a thursday night, why?)
Did walter tell the truth when he said that rangers (1873) didn't sign a player for 3 years? (there is a big list)
Did walter tell the truth when he said that he left rangers (1873) in good financial health?

In your own time mac, I know you are one of the more clearer thinkers among the rangers (1873) fans.

P.S. This is the Celtic chit chat thread.

Aye, I know this is the tic chit chat thread m8 but I come in peace.
We all know what Ally & Walter are about.
Let`s be honest though if you had the choice and the boot was on the other foot what would you do?

I will reply later mac, I said before you where a decent sort, I will stand by that and give you my view later. (poker just now).

Cheers m8 just woken up myself there must have nodded off lol.

Good luck btw the poker is something I have not tried.

Hi Mac.

"Let`s be honest though if you had the choice and the boot was on the other foot what would you do?"

Very good question mac, and one which should be addressed.

If you remember, back in 1994, Celtic were hours away from having the plug pulled, for around 6 million, from the Bank of Scotland.

Fergus, and others, and most importantly, the Celtic fans, stepped up to the plate. (a wee rangers saying for you).

Now, this same bank of Scotland, who wanted to put Celtic out of existence, for 6 million, later allowed rangers, through Murray, to borrow hundreds of millions, rankles a wee bit with the Celtic support, I am sure you can see why?

Now, for many years, Murray asked the rangers (1873) fans to do the same, yes?
What was the response Mac?
These fabled worldwide rangers (1873) fans raised the grand total of...... wait for it..... less than a million, so Murray had to borrow another 50 million from the BOS, (the bank who tried to shut Celtic down for 6 million).

But, before we go on, let us go back even further, to when david Murray bought rangers (1873).

Now, if anyone asked you, how much did he pay for them at that time, the answer would be.... 6 million, yes?

Except, he paid , the princely sum of, nothing.

Yep, just like Craig white later, (through ticketus) he paid not a cent, it was the BOS who funded that as well.

But, anyway, this is all past tense, what of the future?

Does walter, (the man who caused the downfall) dupe the newco fans again?
Will walter, be allowed to be any way involved in football at all, after the EBT findings become known?

Who knows?
This has a long way to run yet.

And we haven't started to talk about how rangers (1873) signed a player for free, and 5 months later sold him to the EX RANGERS MANAGER SOUNESS at Newcastle for 8.5 million, things like that, and many many more, will hogtie any newco for many years.

Liam

I agree that this has a long way to run.
I have a feeling though that many of Rangers faults will be swept under the carpet.

BDO are about to go through Rangers books with a fine toothcomb.

There is a lot of individuals panicking just now..

From SOS

It would appear inconceivable that Sky would not match ESPN’s commitment, at least for a season. A £4.5m outlay is pin money for the broadcaster, who last week agreed a £2.228 billion package for English rights. That mind-boggling deal means the cost of one solitary game in the Premier League down south, such as Reading against Southampton, is equivalent to £6.5m. Or, put another way, little under what Sky has been paying for their entire 30-game package up here in recent years.

Imo, it is time to tell them to gtf.

HOW YOUR TEAM WILL VOTE

ABERDEEN

The Dons have been bounced into the voting-against-accepting-a-newco-Rangers-into-the-SPL camp by a support implacably opposed to them taking this course. After a poll by the club’s Trust revealed 97 per cent were against the move, Pittodrie chief executive Duncan Fraser maintained their “views and feelings” would be “taken into account” and that the “integrity of football…must be central to any decision.” One of three clubs now considered to hold a settled position.

CELTIC

The Scottish champions have no option but to register a “no” vote. They must serve natural justice as their support demands of them as to do otherwise would precipitate a collapse of their season ticket numbers. Yet, if they were to help bring about a hiatus in the top flight rivalry with their ancient adversaries, it would force them to take a thumping financial hit running to millions more than any other club as the other cost of that would be the loss of the veto afforded by them twinning with Rangers to sustain the 11-1 voting structure.

DUNDEE UNITED

The tone of chairman Stephen Thompson’s language has noticeably changed in recent days. Last week, he made much of having to recognise, above all, the feelings of his fanbase, which is hostile to re-admission of the reconstituted Ibrox club. Talk of a complete Sky withdrawal has resulted in him now giving voice to a need to recognise the importance of television money. Without it, he said, “some clubs would face insolvency”, adding: “The smaller the club the greater the need for TV money, so it’s important for us.” Important enough for Thompson, with heavy heart, perhaps to try to sell his support the club’s endorsement of SPL status, but with stiff sanctions attached, for Rangers 2012.

HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN

A club that toiled to pay its players’ wages on time last season is hardly likely to be wowed at the prospect of any reduction in its revenues. Especially when they are still seeking £800,000 from Rangers for the Lee Wallace transfer. However, it would go against everything that Vladimir Romanov has previously preached if he were to vote in one of the Glasgow “mafia” after they have been shown to have used tax dodges to sustain their dominance, and that could hold the key in the final analysis for the Tynecastle club.

HIBERNIAN

Chairman Rod Petrie’s “sporting integrity cannot be obtained for any price” remains the soundbite that absolutely nails the Leith club to a position of not accepting a newco Rangers. In most projections, a prudently run Hibs would not be one of the major losers if forced to redraw budgets to compensate for the fiscal reductions inherent in losing the Ibrox club, while the unstinting backing of Tom Farmer would allow them to cover any shortfall in the immediate term anyway.

INVERNESS

Chairman Kenny Cameron took umbrage to suggestions earlier in the week that they had made up their minds to back a newco application from Rangers because they could not afford the drastic drop-off in revenues predicted by some if that were not approved. “Any speculation is purely that and we find it strange that some seem to know how ICTFC would vote under certain circumstances – they must have a crystal ball,” he said. Must be considered one of the clubs whose vote remains up for grabs.

KILMARNOCK

Chairman Michael Johnston is a man alone among his SPL cohorts in making it plain that there must be a Rangers in the Scottish top flight and that commercial considerations must trump sporting integrity. He has further stated that the new Rangers must not start next season with any points or financial penalties – these believed to be a possible trade-off for entry for some clubs – in having already been punished enough.

MOTHERWELL

The Fir Park club are understood to be seeking assurances over the broadcasting rights before arriving at any decision on a new Rangers. Their fan ownership model makes them more beholden to the mood of their masses, which has appeared insurrectionist if they do not say “no to a newco”. Another club whose position may be considered to be in a state of flux.

ROSS COUNTRY

The newly promoted Highland side will increase revenues next season whether or not they have Rangers to play in their first tilt in the top flight. Chairman Roy MacGregor said he has taken a “calculated risk” on his budget that is not dependent on income that could be attached to the presence of an Ibrox club in the top flight. MacGregor’s largesse is what County count on. The fact he has said as the “new kid” he will listen to others could make for the likelihood that he serves sporting intergity if it is the case for doing so that is made most passionately by his peers.

ST JOHNSTONE

The one Scottish top-flight club with cash in the bank, they could survive any downturn in the economic viability. As chairman Steven Brown has been quick to point out, the Perth side don’t need a Rangers because they spent many seasons in the First Division balancing their books without them. Yet with Brown also describing the potential loss of the Ibrox club top the top flight as a “disaster” it is thought he is one of those who is likely to be swayed were swingeing tarriffs attached to SPL entry for a newco.

ST MIRREN

His fuliminating “the law is an ass” response to Rangers’ challenge in the Court of Session to the sanctions imposed on them by the SFA judicial panel made the Paisley club’s chairman Stewart Gilmour the most outspoken critic of what he saw as the Ibrox club’s reckless disregard of football’s jurisdiction. That is believed to have hardened his attitude towards a newco Rangers. And even though he is in the process of selling the club on to a local fan body, with the vote set to come before the £1.5m buy-out earmarked for 4 July, it is thought a “no” vote would not go against the thinking of the club’s hardcore and future owners.
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Most coherent post I've seen you make, the bhoys.
Try, in future, to keep it to two words, or preferably one, or none, ideally.

I speak to fans of many clubs and within fans it is way beyond 90% who want TNR to pay their dues and by that they mean relegation not fines or points deduction.

As season book holder at Parkhead for many years and a bitter hatred of all to with deceased Rangers my view is hardly surprising and not worth writing but basically Scottish football survived when Aberdeen and Dundee United rose to prominence and deceased Rangers were very poor.

Celtic's support can nullify the home gates gained by other clubs accepting Newco by boycotting all away games basically if they want TNR money so badly you can't have ours as well. You've voted for cash over principle so we will make you pay. How can a new team having never played a game of football walk into the top flight of football ?? If Liverpool go bust will they get straight into the Premiership ???

It all boils down to right and wrong and they must pay the ultimate price. Do the other clubs not realise that taking them out means that even second is CL. Don't they see that Killie and Hearts took cups off Celtic. This is their chance instead of having to beat both the OF they only have to beat Celtic to be champions, that Hearts Dundee Utd, Motherwell, Aberdeen mounting a challenge will fill their staduims whoever they play, the games Celtic lost last season it is possible !! Do the ICT's etc know they will have an easier whipping boy to make it easier to stay in the top flight.

Why are they listening to all this TNR have to be there or the game is finished bullsh!t coming from the no tax paying freinds of Ibrox and the press who fear for their jobs with no Rangers.

It is simple deceased Rangers did not pay taxes while every other club payed their dues. They won trophies with players who had no right to be there, who they could not afford. They have written off all that debt and want a clean slate and TNR could be champions of Scotland next season (god forbid).

As for Walter Mitty where was he when Hector and the Reaper came calling ??

Lawell has to vote no and if he doesn't I hope the Green Brigade will lead the way. Rangers day did come !!! They are dead and buried !!

Now TNR should have their day coming too. Division 3 or Scottish football is dead.

der hun liquidated and assets sold off, lock stock n barrel for £5.5m
Celtic turn down £6m bid for a spare Ki

2 in a row since this started and champions league last 16 once plus group

we have progressed with or with rankers there

^^^^^ Desperate scenes,