x-card derby racing

Anyone got any comments?

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lol just joking you.

I hates it. So slow! Not a fan - prefer the cards!

testing

1-2-3

probably the best game on here to b e honest. I play it most of the time...im doing quite well out of it, but it is very boring at times when ur waiting for sequences etc...but its profitable in the long run if u got patience!

tried everything and the only three strategies that work on games are

the derby game (only one winner no ties , not multiple ways to win either loads of ops to trade etc)
Lay the post handicap fav trade out asap

and Holdem poker (only lay hands that have higher kickers in other hands when the hand cant make a straight or a flush ..)

BlackJack lay only one has 21 pre deal and trade out

simple

derby game is the best though if you have the patience you can make money on this

I agree with you on the derby comment that there are no ties, this makes it a bit easier to look at trading strategies. However sometimes the post handicap favourite steams off, drastically lowering the odds. What do you do in this case?

on the occasions that this happens I trade out imediatley and prepare to lose half my stake. if you compare it with poker or BJ often you have no chance of recovering even a quater of your stake but in the derby racing you can most times get at least half back. Derby game has the edge over other games because there is only one way to win and normally about 4 - 6 rounds of betting.

I run your strats for 9 hours & made 25 million quid , thanks mate.

wolber 21 Oct 15:26 wrote:
tried everything and the only three strategies that work on games are

Any strategy involving a trade out will not work long term, particularly where you suggest green and red trades on the same selection. All you are doing is placing 2 undervalue bets, instead of one.

The lay R2 poker hand with higher kickers in other hands, also will not work long term, with or without tradeout. This usually lays at high odds which means that any bullet you take will have a dramatic effect on your P/L. I agree that the odds for getting 2 pairs on the flop are higher than the odds offered for the selection, so on the face of it appears to be good value, but there is no way of completely eliminating the chance of a flush or straight being almost made on the flop or turn - and this would result in an expensive tradeout.

Where is everyone?

pub

What, all afternoon?

i guess

The x-card derby racing has never frozen on me.

No, but hell will freeze over quicker than that game plays.

You won't lose so quickly though.

the laying poker hands with 2 higher kickers thing works about 70% of the time on the occasion that it hits a bad hand you stand to lose about 15 x stake so it does make a profit all be a small one over time. I always set a limit and quit when I hit it on any game in my experience games more than anything else require discipline ..then you can make em pay. It is so easy to rack up a huige profit then the lot gone in the blink of an eye .

I botted that strat myself. The version in x-feeder free strategies section misses some bets and also places bets that don't fit the rules. It can only be played with a bot as there are so few bets, that you would fall asleep waiting for them. In my version I place a red trade in R3 if the price is lower than R2 and a red trade in R4 if the price is 25% lower than R3 and 20.0.

It probably does make money very slowly, but due to the incredibly low strike rate you would really need to test for at least a year to get enough bets. Need something more exciting than this. lol

yes I have a bot and it doesnt play if there is the possibility of a straight or a flush get about 3 bets per day. The other day got 12 bets up though !! I set a stop loss of £100 and a win max of £ 50

Interesting, but it is impossible to eliminate the chance of the hand hitting a flush or straight, before the flop is down. I don't lay any suited hands, but I forget about straights and just let the red trade in later rounds deal with these possibilities. I get a lot more bets than you describe - around 4-5% of games played.

Fools, you have both missed a very important variable that will increase your hit percentage. Try looking at your data again it isn't blatantly obvious, but when you see it you will jump for joy.

what statistic is this ? ....if you have a hand where the two cards are in other hands with higher kickers , and you cannot make a flush or an obvious straight from it the odds to lay are normally about 15 - 20 where as the real odds should be about 49/1 ..this is value and value is the most important factor in betting ...plus who the hell are you calling a fool , if there is some rogue attribute that I have not considered then please share it and prove me a fool

I wouldn't take it personally, he's a bit of a loose canon, our Jugador.

I do apologise, but sometimes i do like a wind-up.

Wolber, you are obviously a very intelligent person and i am sorry if i offended you. I studied your strategy on Blackjack, but as soon as i started to use it the game kept dealing single Blackjacks or stands with one player showing 11, therefore green trades not possible.

no offense taken..there in lies the problem with blackjack when you lay a one has 21 and a blackjack appears you cannot really trade out . I forgot to mention that I normally wait until a blackjack has occurred before betting in the next hand, plus I often lay the dealer wins or ties AND one has 21 so at the worst i can get some stake back at the best I get a double winning lay. Slightly dissolusioned by BJ at the moment am focusing my efforts on poker and derby racing.

I often lay the dealer wins or ties AND one has 21 so at the worst i can get some stake back

Not if the dealer wins with only 21.

Thanks for that info wolber and jazza'
How often, percentage wise, does the dealer win with the only 21 showing.

Too often I would guess. If I'm wrong are you saying this is a winner?
I've tried this sort of thing with no luck.

Still looking at it, but shows promise jazza.

as I said I only do this occasionaly ..If a player has a blackjack and the dealer is sitting on an ace then you will not really be able to trade out on either lays ..and it is a horrible feeling . Like I say my main strateggies are on derby racing and poker

wolber can u be little more specific about your strategy at hold'em pls?

e.x. r you laying preflop?

and u said cards with the highest kickers..e.x. A of spades 9 hearts it's the best hand in the field preflop,is that a kind of hand you'd lay?

It's a well known strategy, someone sells it and it's given away free by x-feeder on their website - so all of that means it probably won't make long term profit.

Lay any hand in R2 (preflop) whose cards also appear in other hands that have higher kickers, avoid laying suited hands.

so: 37 J7 44 93 - lay hand 1
also: 49 29 2K KA - lay hand 2 - 4 is a higher kicker than 2

The free x-feeder trigger doesn't lay all possibilities and lays some that shouldn't be layed. So you need to write your own trigger or bot.

What about laying the favourite pre-flop providing it has no chance of making straight or flush, has anyone tried that.

I dont use x feeder i use a much cheaper alternative that never seems to lay a wrong hand. The strat is fairly well known and is free on lots of sites

What is it?

Good question!

not supposed to advertise on here as it will be classed as spamming but the bot is called golden rule

Cheers... I'll have a look at it.

Jazza did you have a look at it or not.

No not yet mate.....testing others at the moment and my old laptop dies if I run too many at once.

Are you still using it?

Had loads of successful green outs, however needed to press bet on some occassions.

spade hasnt won in last 9 and club in last 7

where are you jazza?

wolber wrote:
"tried everything and the only three strategies that work on games are

the derby game (only one winner no ties , not multiple ways to win either loads of ops to trade etc)
Lay the post handicap fav trade out asap

and Holdem poker (only lay hands that have higher kickers in other hands when the hand cant make a straight or a flush ..)

BlackJack lay only one has 21 pre deal and trade out

simple

derby game is the best though if you have the patience you can make money on this"


Question: are you using a bot to trade out for you ?
Or just all manual ?

Especially with blackjack I am looking to get the right amount betted to trade out. Manual trading so far, but 10-20€ an hour is what I achieve ....

Robinam - what are your criteria for trading out on the blackjack? I'm sure you could automate it using x-feeder. I've experimented with quite a few methods on blackjack so i might have a trigger quite similar to what you need!

I have tried and tested the blackjack strategy, unfortunately like most others it does not show a profit long term.

On any and all Xgames, trading out does not create value odds in any form or manner.
Therefore, as a strategy in itself per se, it is not viable and never will be.
You can have all the patience in the world to wait for certain criteria, but in the long run it will be to no purpose.
Using a bot on such a strategy will take out the pain of waiting but that's all it will do.

that is correct....
one can not risk putting money on a lay bet. As one is often trading out in order to reduce possible losses. So: one risks a lot of money and only has minor profits. In the long run... no good.

I just have been on a roll with luck, making 90€ within a couple hours.
But I had big drawdowns when I was just "unlucky" and had to catch it up again.

On the website of x-feeder someone wrote he has the 100% win strategy.... hmmm ... maybe yes, maybe no.

100% ?
Most definitely no imo.
Not even theoretically possible.

what do you think about this approach ? :
texas holde em, lay the lowest odds before the pre-flop.
but NO trading out.
think one can win in the long run ?

or simply bail out when 2-3 wins in a row for that session or day ?
might work if one is not too greedy ???

Robinam, your strategy of laying pre-flop fav. will not return a long-term profit. I can absolutely guarantee that.

The best idea is to experiment with positive staking progressions:
Increase after a winner and either set to base stake after a loser or reduce by a fixed percentage. For roughly evens bets then something like Fibonacci might work: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21.....

For shorter than evens then a more gentler progression might work: 1,1,1,1.5,2,3,5,7,10,13,17,21....

even with a bot... do not think there is a long-time winning strategy too. been looking and searching, trying out the whole weekend.

i suppose best idea is still to play any game, roulette, texas holdem, etc. any game and quit for the day when 2 units in profits.

one will always catch a streak at some point and then to just stop when 2 wins in a row and 2 units plus is the discipline.

if however there is someone who is making consistent wins - would be great to know how you do it.... hehe thank you

on the derby game are you playing against another punter like the sports betting or is it like the multiples where you bet againt betfair itself