PDC WORLD DARTS WINNER AND WHY

MVG


top half of draw is madness. I like Whitlock but his route looks like osbourne/chisnall/anderson or barney/taylor/MVG

now. on ssnews

maybe not.  lol.

when MVG wins the worlds ....  we'll look back at the weekend when he went from 8th to 7th an got a fair bit easier passage.  was huge moment that.

I'm on MVG Thornton and The Menace.  GL all

got
£185/10k MVG
£83 / 9.2k Thornton   as me main bet.

wish u good luck clyde 

nice

I will be shouting for AL and MVG My Dadd told me eyesite  and concentration goes at Taylors age - Rates him as having very little chance in the world championships

PB - I guess your Dad didn't see his last five legs against Hamilton!
I can't see one calendar month making that much difference...he's got the dedication, perseverance & determination and if he wants it enough, he'll be difficult to stop.

Jerry Hendriks did he beat / nearly beat taylor recently?

Don't know Lanza, but definitely not in a televised event.

ok, no not televised, but was one i noted from somewhere not lay at 1000.  trying to think why?. lol.

I've seen him play on TV within the last six months or so but I can't remember where.
Think I recall him looking patchy & nervous initially but after settling down, he looked OK.

whitlock done well here in past years huge pressue on phil mvg may need another year or two,

Simon w

Howdi - Whitlock's in the form of his life but has the same Taylor problem as Hamilton (likely QF opponent) as they're due for a rendezvous in the semis if all goes to plan.

Lanza - I might be getting mixed up with another Dutch player called 'Jimmy Hendriks' - this PDC guy's name's 'Jerry Hendricks' - I can't find out online which one I'm thinking of!

The former is a BDO player I think, so I reckon it's probably a BDO event I've seen him play but no record of him at the Lakeside or the Masters recently Anyone help?

PS - the one I saw had that stupid spiked up gelled hair...maybe I'm just jealous as I'm a bald-headed prick!

NG i think my Dad sees the world as a lot longer and a lot more stressful than the hamilton match ! Taylor really wanted it the last couple of years but couldnt win it ,. He is looking so old now ! He thinks he owns the stage still but a lot of times looks silly ! He is not IMO a 2s chance

PB - maybe you're right but I certainly wouldn't want to lay the bastard at odds-against!

Hamilton, Whitlock & Anderson probably think he's THEIR Nemesis, but where betting's involved, that dubious dishonour belongs to ME - I just can't win on his games!

NG haha look you dont get better at these sports with age ! The last two years are what counts and he cant do it over this distance anymore He tried the HAT and that didn't work we had Specs and that failed What next ! Someone will come out of the pack and knock him out

Taylor has come back to the field a bit, but he is still the best in the world, and he still regularly wins tournaments of varying lengths with averages the others occassionally flirt with but never repeat as consistently as Taylor does. I dont think 'this distance' is relevant, but I do think the pressure of him wanting this title one more time is a negative. But overall I think he is comfortably value at 9/4.

given the absolute ****g joke of a schedule i wouldn't put anyone off backing taylor

Well guys thats why i'm laying him at that price No value at all IMO . Taylor is on the way down / A few weeks ago MVG looked him straight in the eyes and then beat him !! That match said a lot to me
you are right about averages
but next year people will be asking can he come back
Then the next
and the next !!!!
Someone will have a good night and it will be * Should he retire etc etc *

Out of the top in-form contenders it's well documented MVG's got the best of the draw. But it's not worked out too badly for Taylor and as KC says, he's still the best - there's no doubt.

The European Championships have been his only proper blip this year when he was truly out of form. Apart from that, its taken pretty special performances (mvg in GSOD and Thornton in Dublin) to beat him except the UK Open final when I genuinely think the stage invader was a factor. And he averaged 105 in the defeat to MVG which caused a seismic shift against him in the world champs market.

9-4 is far too big and I'm looking to get stuck in each-way.

Polly you do know he has just won the last TV tournament with 5 averages of 101+ (4 being 103+) dont you? On Day 3 he won 3 matches with an aggregate leg score of 34-17. As Silverback mentions, he has come up against some stellar performances to beat him. No-one is saying he is a cert, but Taylor backers have easily had the edge over Taylor layers recently.

Taylor backers have easily had the edge over Taylor layers recently.

since its been at alexandra palace

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TAYLOR
TAYLOR
LEWIS
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I am referring to all TV tournaments, and have already acknowledged that Taylor probably feels a lot more pressure at the WC.

KC yes yes i do know his averages etc :-) look its all part of the fun having different views and losing or winning money Why do you think if he couldnt win it in the last couple of years then he is so much better this year ! And i think MVG is much more of a danger now to him than anyone over the last couple of years would have been at the start of the world

Adding to that if someone gave me a £ 100 --- MVG 5-1 or Taylor 9/4  NO contest !! MVG

I've been having a browse at the draw and at a huge price, does anyone think Mark Webster can do some damage in this?
It's been a good venue for him (beat Taylor two years ago) and twice a semi-finalist - people seem to be 'exaggerating' Adie's chances for the same reason.

Webster has often come up against Taylor in the TV tournaments (which must shatter anyone's confidence before a dart is thrown) but this time, he's in the opposite half.
Not that this gets much easier...a tough draw for the last 64 against Ian White, likely to be followed by Colin Lloyd and then MVG in the last 16

Even if that goes his way then Lewis could be waiting for him in the semis!

He beat a top-form Scott Waites in the Grand Slam recently and is definitely an 'on the day' player that could trouble even the best!

Fancy Ando for some reason, had a terrible couple of years in his personal life, but recently showing signs of form again, a class act and should be through to round three where Barney awaits, but not bad odds. Worth a shot, Go On Gazza... do it for Jocky!!!

Interesting thread, and it's all building up nicely towards next Friday.

Clearly, attention gets drawn towards Taylor and MVG and it's dangerous to write either of them off. However, given the prices of around 9/4 and 5/1 respectively, to me the choice would be Taylor. Now obviously when they both are on it, and knocking in 108 averages, they will wipe the floor with virtually anyone. My reasoning would be due to how I perceive them when they struggle.

My view is that when Taylor 'struggles', he averages 98-99 which could actually be enough more often than not, and people still have to work hard to break his throw. However, when MVG has a poor spell, he goes downhill quickly and can slip into the 80s which in this format will concede sets quickly, especially in the later stages. In my opinion, if you are taking 5/1 on MVG, you are effectively backing him being on form consistently for seven games (although he shouldn't really be tested until the QFs). At that price, I couldn't be comfortable backing him though I have massive respect (jealousy) for those that have huge odds from earlier in the summer.

Looking outside these two, which I prefer to do because I like to have several runners in these tournaments nowadays, my attention is increasingly drawn to Gary Anderson who looks more and more happy in this setting now. Odds of 18.5 are looking slightly smaller than I would want, but I hope to get higher later in the week. I'll probably just take the plunge though.

Despite being in the same quarter as Anderson, I liked Whitlock's (odds of 16) draw when I saw it, and by any potential semi-final, may have played himself into some consistent form so I'll keep an eye on that price too. I don't believe he is as mentally affected by Taylor batterings as the likes of Hamilton, and he's clearly playing some decent darts at the moment if you 'conveniently' ignore the semi at the Players.

At larger odds, King looks good if ignoring the crowd though Winstanley was probably the one player no-one wanted. All year, I have been impressed with Robert Thornton but at odds of 48, I think I'd be trusting Taylor to be affected by playing a player that beat him so well over the summer (I would hope to see some flight-chewing early on. Nicholson or Stompe shouldn't cause him any problems, in my opinion, so the Taylor match would be the last game before the Christmas break. A good time to cause a shock in the market :-)

Other than that, I was looking at Steve Beaton (good draw if Wade struggles) Stuart Kellett and Ian White for my three-figure bets. Kellett is due to play King or Winstanley if beating VDV though, which puts me off, but I think that fourth quarter is wide open.

Sorry about the rambling being so long and apologies if anything I've said isn't right. I'm only an amateur :-). I don't post on here much, but I always enjoy reading the opinions during the World Championships and look forward to more on Friday.

Darren - I haven't got a clue how he's performed recently but Stuart Kellett is definitely a 'dark horse' that many will be unaware of, and I really did think I'd be able to get 1000 for him on here...it's not happened YET!

Of the seeded 32 (a last 64 tie for an unseeded player) VVDV is probably exactly the sort that the likes of Kellett would have dreamed of, as he doesn't look worthy of his 19 ranking at the moment and would seem eminently beatable.

As you say...the winner of that merciless last 64 tie (King/Winstanley) will be waiting in the last 32 (has there ever been a tougher last 64 tie with bang in-form players?) but the good news is that the draw doesn't seem to get worse as this is much the weakest of the quarters - James Wade is really struggling at the moment, and of the top 8 seeds, if pushed, I'd say Wes Newton is the other player in my view, a potential 'springer' would want to draw in the last eight...far better than the other options anyhow!

PS - I notice you have selected Ian White as a sporting long-shot, and he is that...trouble is, he's up against my choice for an outsider in Mark Webster and that'll be a tough match, as Spider will have been gutted to have been eliminated by fellow Welshie Richie Burnett in a last 64 thriller last year, after the two previous runs he had to the semis - I think he'll beat White and then Colin Lloyd which should set up a last 16 clash with MVG!

Anyone wanting to browse at how the draw pans out could do a lot worse than this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_PDC_World_Darts_Championship

It's far easier to follow than the PDC site.

Moving on to the matches themselves.

Kellet, regardless of whether that's the right or wrong number of ls and ts in his name - can never remember - is the bet of the first round. Wrong favourite although I can't quite get out of my mind how dreadful he was at Lakeside a couple of years ago having been the player of round one.

Darren Webster's worth a stab v Walsh at 5-2 or so.

10-11 White to beat Webster is generous.

Could probably do worse than backing Jones v Dolan at the price.

And if there's going to be a big upset then Hudson v Wade is perhaps the one worth looking at.

Navel-Gazer - thanks for your thoughts. Kellett came through a really tough day in qualifying, which alone tells me he must be doing something right. The only things putting me off is that I wanted to back Mervyn King and the fact I was hoping for crazy prices on Kellett. Might be being greedy.

My reasoning for it is similar to that which The Silverback alludes to. If I remember correctly, Kellett went into the Lakeside two years ago seeded 2 having played great darts at the Masters. In the first round, he stormed it against Fitton (?) and then second round, he was rank, not hitting a thing. After that, TV-wise, he disappeared until now but the name sticks in my head.

I'm interested in your views on Mark Webster, who you mentioned as a possible outsider. No doubt he has some ability, as his WC run showed, but he strikes me as taking each defeat personally. He had some defeats in later rounds of TV tournaments that he would have expected to win (the semi after beating Taylor springs to mind), and the Premier League ended up ruining his confidence, in my opinion.

He did seem shell-shocked after the Premier League beatings but on one occasion he hammered Adie Lewis with a superb 110 average if memory serves.

I just think he's terrific value for a 'confidence player' (aren't they all just that?) and this is his venue - remember his beating of Taylor in a best of NINE sets?
I've always thought he's a bit of a sulker as well, but the ability is definitely there, and though Ian White is a difficult opponent for a last 64 draw, he's not if it was a last 32 is he?

Colin Lloyd/Darin Young would not be a problem in the last 32 if getting past Ian White as Lloyd has been appalling for some time.
As we all know...MVG is in & out (as good as he can be) and CAN be beaten in the last 16 (look how The Hammer got the better of him, and Merv's uncharacteristic collapse when cruising) so that's not SO forlorn for a very big priced outsider.

The thing I like about Webster is he can be a powerful & consistent scorer when on song and his doubling is fair enough too, except when the heat is really turned on - I did think he'd bottle it against Taylor two years ago but he held his nerve and let it all out when getting over the line, with that manic celebration

His switching to 19's is (Taylor aside) better than anyone's - even a peak form John Part!
He smashes in loads of 134's so the stats sometimes might look like they're not giving a true reflection of his scoring power.
I'm hopeful of a big run if he gets past White (that's no gimme) and his confidence can bloom

PS - my concern about Kellett would be like Justin Pipe a while ago, in freezing on the big stage, as he's done so in the BDO and this will be a cauldron!
Nevertheless, at that hopeful 1000 I was dreaming about, I thought he'd be worth a small bet.

You're spot on about the 19s for Webster. They are the guide as to how he's playing, so if they are being hit early, he'll probably win.

I remember during that WC when he beat Taylor, and the World Cup run he had with Barrie Bates, Webster just never missed a 57 when he went for it. It was unbelievable.

I've backed Webster between 180 & 200 for nearly £25 and I won't be letting it go because I think he could be a 33/1 shot if winning his first two matches, and even less if MVG is surprised by the winner of Wright/Monk - then I'll consider unloading

Who'd have thought last year that Nigel Heydon & Jihan Artut would have had darts for the match against Lewis & Anderson?

As usual...it's a case of hope with a rank outsider and not expectation as with the likes of Taylor, who's rightfully a short price.

Kim Huybrechts is playing well at the moment but lately he's not been a big enough scorer for me, though his finishing has been excellent.
He's poor value at 40 on here (as low as 23 ) and doesn't appeal at all at the prices.

Besides, he has what could be a difficult first round tie against a capable Scott Rand, though I don't know how well Rand's been playing lately, as he hasn't made the recent TV tournaments.

Also, Huybrechts had a very easy route to the Players' Championships final and although showing admirable spirit against Taylor, he looked totally outclassed...then again, most are against that fcuker!

I can't afford to lay a 40/1 poke like Huybrechts, but I see no value in it at all, and even though he's in the easiest quarter, Wes Newton will be his opponent in the last 32!

The problem as I see it with Huybrechts is that on TV, his peak is high-90 averages and that is usually carried by exceptional doubling. That means he is no more than a member of the chasing pack, and it won't cut it against an elite player playing at his potential.

Huybrechts is very short in the market for what he has achieved so far on TV.

Though clearly there is one very good reason to hope he plays as many matches as possible.

I wonder what that might be Darren?

Some excellent reviews on here and I agree with quite a few of them. I've taken Lewis & Anderson against the field in the last two years. Neither are showing their best recently. Odds are all important. Taylor at 2's  & MVG at a miserly 5/1 can be easily opposed.

In Taylor's quarter, HAMILTON stands out at 35's along with THORNTON at 50's. Both players are in top form and will put it up to Taylor, who as we know, is beatable nowadays.

The second quarter can be left alone. I no fan of Whitlock & Chisnall can't seem to win more than one match. Anderson is always a danger, but his form is not quite there. Barney played well the other day. I'm certainly no fan of his and he is beatable. At about 4/1 the four combined, there's absolutely no value there.

LEWIS although I havent seen him play well for a while, is fantastic value at 12/1. I looked at the odds for the first time tonight and I'm shocked how big a price he is.  OK MVG has hit a bit of form, why did he lose to Hamilton in the players championship? His purple patch may be at an end. His odds are laughable. WHITE at 180 is a worthy wager, he's scared of noone and can put up some great performances. Being Welsh I'd love to see Webby do something. But he never seems to play with any confidence these days. A Lewis v White quarter is a possibility.

We can play HUYBRECHTS at 41/1 NEWTON at the same price, PIPE at 70's in the top half of the last quarter. I'd expect to see one of them in the semi's. In the second part of the last quarter, I would n't bet Wade with counterfeit. At 380 Beaten is the only wager.The others are all too inconsistent.

So I will be punting THORNTON  50's  HAMILTON 35's  LEWIS 12's  WHITE 180's NEWTON 41's HUYBRECHTS 41's PIPE 70's & BEATON 380's.  All selections combined for a 9/2 Xmas cracker.

If I were you and considering having a punt on Huybrechts AND Newton, I'd wait because Huybrechts can't really go shorter than 40's (at this stage) and Scott Rand may prove troublesome.

I haven't seen Newton's opponent Johnny Haines so I can't really comment, but it SHOULD be a gimme according to rankings, so Newton can't significantly shorten after one match unless he hits a 110 average!

Only ONE at best (or NONE if Rand performs) of your two 40/1 pokes can reach the last 16, so in effect we'll be looking at approximately a 20/1 shot for your pairing, and after round two, I think that should easily still be available with 16 left in the tournament - from what I remember of Rand, he's no mug and neither Newton or Huybrechts might make the last 16!

I'm looking forward to seeing the betting for the 'quarter winners' on here as in the bottom section, the majority of them are capable of winning three straight games, and the top seeds are the weakest of the best eight in my view - Scott Rand might be a big price to cause an upset or two, but others may be terrific value as well - looking at the draw, even Andy Jenkins!

Someone with big balls might put up treble figure odds for some capable players to win their quarter, and that'll tempt me

I can't wait for this and I'm counting down the days like it's the Cheltenham Festival

Johnny Haines beat RVB in the Dutch Masters Euro event (Barney's last game before winning the Grand Slam).

If I remember correctly, he also had match dart(s) v Webster in the UK Open.

Accidentally posted this on the 'Draw' thread in error......


The top half of the draw is horribly overladen with talent this year. I was very impressed with the way that Barney dealt with MVG at the GSOD, and but for one horror leg close to the death would have won with something to spare. At 21/1 or so I think he's overpriced. Subtitles possibly stands in his way in Round 3, and at around 18/1 the former finalist has plenty of appeal.

In the bottom half of the draw,  I like Wade's path to the final, and at 22/1 he'll do for me. He traded at 1.0x in the semi last year against Lewis, and but for the crazy and unprecedented antics that took place that night he might even have come into this year's event as defending World Champ. Certainly would have started long odds-on fav in a final against Hamilton.

I just can't see Phil Taylor at 52 winning it this year, even though I'd love to see the Great Man do it. He was all but beaten by Hamilton in the Minehead QFs and has been dumped out of this tournament for the last two years by players ranked markedly below him.

As ever, it should be enthralling.

I wont repeat myself

already got my load on taylor at 11/4 and some at 9/4

Navel Gazer

I've actually punted my fellas when I posted. I was actually impressed with Rand a couple of seasons ago, but he's not done anything (as Far as I'm aware) for sometime. I would be confident that Newton, Huybrechts or Pipey would take him out.

Good luck.

Rand's obviously a decent underdog to any of those you mention but he's been in pretty decent form on the circuit as we call it.

Silver 'Rod' - is there anywhere we can check on players' form online?
It's reassuring to know Rand's been in good form and it seems a few of you have been as impressed as I was, and more still, remembered!!

He'll be big value in the wide-open quarter

dartsdatabase.com as we call it.

Thanks...I always use that site to check on head to head form (lots that games even I recall aren't listed in that?) and I haven't thought of looking at individual form figures

Silver - we might have to christen you 'Rod O'Shea' in future

The website is definitely worth checking out. You'll have at least six darts at it.

Please tell me silverback isn't Rodney Harrington. Then again i'd like to go along with the notion he is
I'll do my best to look in a bit more and even post in addition to Navel's satire lol.

Huybrechts is plenty short for what is merely a match up with Cool Hand. The only difference could be tv experience, but nothing seems to faze Scott so i don't see that being an issue.

just considering baxking wes newton at 40s,(not looked at his draw yet so nothing done yet) but if the draw looks average or bettr i may throw a few shillings on him(itll be the first time ive ever backed him  tourney or match). someone please talk me out of it.

SOLW - on the plus side, he's very consistent and has by far the easiest of the draw even though he's likely to have a last 32 match against Rand or Huybrechts which might be troublesome.

I don't think he's value at the price but he's a sporting outsider if you're prepared to splash your dough!

Wes at 40/1 to WIN it outright or Mark Webster to win his quarter at 33/1...that's not a difficult decision for me!
Best of luck squire with your punts

Large amounts of money still pours on Taylor See don't get it !! The old man less than 2s Crazy

Dec 12, 2012 -- 11:21AM, pollybournemouth wrote:

Large amounts of money still pours on Taylor  See don't get it !! The old man less than 2s Crazy

He looked pretty good after coming back from 9-5 to beat Hamilton and he'll want to win it for Sid. Not sure he will win it myself, but over a longer format he's far superior to most.

the trouble is even ifu  feel the player u intend to back  wont shorten for beating aweak 1st round oponent   they will if  fancied players  go out in the 1st round(and 1 or 2 probably wil)

Well hey it will cost me money if Taylor wins I dont think he will win and i will come on here and say i got it wrong if he does and PAY for it as well  ------2-1 Shocking odds

I always back Newton outright and usually manage to trade out, just think his finishing isn't quite good enough to reach the Premier League standard yet. Also if he comes up against a slow player then forget it

Taylor 5/2 with boyles today for anyone that fancies him

So Polly, tell us one more time, Taylor back or lay at 2s?

or even 5/2?!

KC i wont be taking 5/2 haha IMO and my purse he is a LAY Boyles must see the light !!!

A lot of previews mention that Taylor came back from 9-5 against Hamilton. What all of them, without fail, do not mention is that Hamilton had a few chances to finish that game off (significantly at 9-5) and bottled it. He wasn't missing a thing before this. To the best of my memory, Taylor hardly turned on the after-burners averaging 115+ in those final legs, and actually Hamilton chucked some horrendous darts in the final legs once his head had started to go.

Now the Whitlock semi final I was impressed with. But I take nothing from beating Huybrechts in the final. To me, if someone hasn't averaged 100+ a number of times on TV, they are unlikely to beat Taylor in a later stage of a tournament.

This Quarter Final is the one that people point at when assessing Taylor's chances, and moved his odds into the skinny ones they are now. In a set format in the WC, and at those odds, I personally think he's vulnerable.

Darren - I think he's beatable even in top form over sets format (gives the best of the rest a decent shot as averages don't tell a true tale) but over legs, once he breaks a throw he turns the screw.

There are a few players (notably Lewis & MVG) whose purple patches can grab two sets in a quarter of an hour!

I completely agree, and there are more and more players who can do the 'Power Surge', so to speak.

My point really was that at 9-5 down in that QF, there wasn't as much of an improvement as history seems to have written.

People's memories are failing them here.

Taylor went out in 12, 11, 15, 12 and 14 darts those last five legs.

117 average for those five. He had been averaging 98.7 up to 9-5.

And the only reason Hamilton put himself in to a position to miss that 60 for the match was because of a mega-clutch 180 the previous throw. The next leg he hit a 177 to force Taylor to take out 102.

People's memories are failing them here.

Taylor went out in 12, 11, 15, 12 and 14 darts those last five legs.

117 average for those five. He had been averaging 98.7 up to 9-5.

And the only reason Hamilton put himself in to a position to miss that 60 for the match was because of a mega-clutch 180 the previous throw. The next leg he hit a 177 to force Taylor to take out 102.

More I look at the draw the more I think I'm going mental and drawn heavily to Anderson. Think he's been showing a clear return to form at the last 2 tourneys, has played well here in the past and has to my eyes a pretty decent draw. I know he's in the top half but Barney in a possible last 16 aint that bad and a possible QF with Whitlock is tough but could be worse. I think at 18/1 he's a touch of value.

I will also be chucking a few sheckels on Pipe, Winstanley & Kellett in the bottom half. I know Kellett is a bit of a wild card but he's clearly got talent if not neccessarily the right mental attitude.

HH - really surprised that Kellett isn't the 'secret' I thought he'd be - I though I'd definitely get 1000 for him

I'm green for a tenner at the moment and I have seven three-figure 'rags' running for me for four figure sums up to now - not bad considering it ain't started yet (lost a tenner on Alcinas) and I can have a few more dabbles on quality players that could go far.

I've had to go to Ladbrokes for my tenner on Webster to win his quarter at 33/1 so I'm even at the moment

PS - EIGHT actually

Webster
Lloyd
Baxter
Jones
Walsh
Stompe
Burnett
Rand

ALL capable player

PS - ALL of the above (except Rand) have reached a televised final of a major so not as forlorn as many of you will undoubtedly believe

I'm not sure of the logic behind those 8 but I'd say that at least three or four of them go out in the first round

Maybe JC...but they're FREE

There's only Webster of that lot that I genuinely think is capable of some damage, and you cannot say the rest are INCAPABLE of winning 2/3 even 4 games, giving me a handsome option to trade

FFS...I'd never even heard of James Richardson last year!

I've backed The Hammer in this tournament for the last two years (been laughed at as well) and had massive prices on him, and I've won more than a few quid at odds up to around 790 if memory serves.

JC - sometimes the draw can really open up for an outsider as it did in the last TV tournament and Huybrechts took advantage - remember Kirk Shepherd?
Admittedly, the game's progressed immensely over the last five years but it still CAN happen, and these guys are all capable.

Anderson & Lewis had darts to go out against 1000 pokes on here and also, Hamilton came up against a whirlwind in Alcinas but managed to get past him.

There's little doubt in my mind that plenty of the top 16 will NOT reach the last 16!

Keep on laughing guys, whilst I get plenty of top 32 players on my side at massive odds for FREE bets!

Even betting in £2/3/4/5 not to mention tenners, I can get free bets on 6/7/8 more players for £THOUSANDS!
They all add to the portfolio and there are ALWAYS shocks!

I'd say 80% chance Taylor will win. 20% someone else. Can't see him being beaten unless it's in the earlier rounds.

Well Mike you are really on to your xmas being paid for with ease

I just ask the question with all those sleepless nights could Mr LEWIS go out tonight ! The lad he is playing wont have any fear and it wouldn't totally surprise me if !!!!!

Mike u reckon the old man Taylor is a 4/1 on shot. Really?

Speculating ahead of a tourny is great, but what if?
What if a player(s) got an injury and/or picks up a virus mins/hrs before he's due on stage?
It's always a possibility...AND we're Always the last to know.
Dennis Ovens a casing point!

Plenty of matches to get stuck into. Rand to beat Kim, or Taylor to be world champ? Both 9/4 shots.

Rand, freely available @ 9/4 for me is a stand out price of round 1 v Huybrechts.

is it fair to say this is ide open this year, taylor whilst worthy fav and still best player but not quite as invincible as days gone by, lewis just not laying any good , wade all over the place, if by any chance taylor goes out earlyish is quite possibly the other 2 will do the same, after those almost anyone can beat anyone in aone off match.i would drem of putting anyone off  backing some real rags in this.

my typings up to its usual standard btw/

As many have alluded to, the bottom half of the draw is where the action is and there is one player who stands out a mile to me.

In the last 4 floor tournaments has had 2 1/4 finals and a final.  Only players to have beaten him have been Taylor, Whitlock, MVG and Michael Smith.  He in turn has beaten the likes of King, Baxter, MVG, Pipe, Chizzy and VDV (admittedly VDV not worth much).  With some players you walk into a 105 average and there's nothing you can do about it.  With this chap you're very unlikely to have that problem because of the way he plays and if he can hit mid to high 90 averages you will get a very good run for your money.

Please stand up Mr Dennis Priestley.
E/W 750/1 Outright and 66/1 for the 1/4 freely available.

Good stuff  ihatehwb

Gary Anderson.....because i have a sneaky feeling

Sneaky feelings are as good as any other way

I was impressed with Taylor tonight but i think its going to be MVG who will have to beat him cos the older ones all freeze

mvg is brilliant in patches but it will be a steady eddy who wins and will probably slow him down....Barny looks the best value to me and he doesnt fear mvg.

laynplay  i sort of have this weird feeling that MVG would beat Taylor but Barney would beat MVG My problem is Barney vs Anderson which i cant pick the winner of

sad to say it but i think it will be taylor or whitlock

MVG Knows he is  a better player these days than taylor

taylor for me but mvg is the man in form right now. and taylor missing alot of doubles

Hope you are wrong ! But look i really think you are and i'm still putting my money up ! THE OLD POP can't WIN

You like your darts do you poly? i aint seen you on any other forum

Its been said barney's pace dented mvg's explosive rythym in the grand slam final. Taylor's not exactly fast himself and will use all sorts if he meets mighty mike in the final. Not a given either will make it to the final, though its looking likely judged how average the majority have played so far. P.S. Tryi.g to use the betfair forum fone app requires the patience of a saint!

Yes i like DARTS haha and Tennis ER and NH racing O yeh F1
But hey tomorrow can be such a great day of Darts
For me this year is the best ive seen and loved it and lets face it Old Pop cant win so MVG the new kid on the block takes over and Pop retires