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Lovely thread MC, thanks for inspiring the forum for another quality Sunday race with the HELL of the NORTH.
I was pretty-much ready to go too, and will, but I just want to pick up on a point in your Sagan analysis. I have had the advantage of reviewing RVV again and it was actually Nibali who set things up for Terpstra when he made the move off the front, not so much QST, although I can concede that they rode very astutely for the most part. In any case, I think Sagan was yo-yoing a bit throughout the race, and when he does that he doesn't seem to be on good sensations or his sensations are artifical in terms of him riding in a forced manner, which is a similar thing which could be observed in Kwiatkowski in the same race who I thought was initially over-racing, but what I am convinced in retrospect was an artifical impetus or forced pedle stroke. On another point, I was wondering if your Gilbert call at the conclusion of your RVV thread by stating that you were all in on him was mere bravado or boldness from the excitement of getting a result with Terpstra, and that by now you might have cooled on him somewhat. I now see that you are still as strong on him as you were then, and I must say that I disagree with your analysis. He has a shockingly-poor strike-rate in this race, actually scratch that, he has no results at all, and that is as it should be, he simply does not have the characteristics to threaten riders who are born along these stretches and hard tracks. I am therefore putting my money where my mouth is, and laying Gilbert on here, admittedly not for much, but enough to stand behind my analysis against Gilbert's chances. I do not believe he has a chance to win. However, I do agree with your analysis in relation to QST tactics in putting him out in front from long range and forcing other teams to chase. That makes very good sense, but I believe it is different for him to have remained out in front on the hellingen of RVV as opposed to the open, flat stretches of rain-scoured cobbles and wind-affected plains, here. He tried this last year on a flat circuit some 20kms from the finish and never looked likely. He will never have an opportunity to come into his own in the race, in terms of concolidating any advantage he might have gained on the hellingen of Flanders, and as a result he'll be managed and claimed with little effort. Moreover, he is very poor value, should be 33/1 as a start and would have him go out to 49/1. I tipped GVA to win this on this forum last year with excellent value, however I think I have uncovered four riders worthy of interest according to their respective star (*) rating. **** Arnaud Demare 6th here last year when going to the line best from the 16-man second group. Best result here was a 4th-place finish in 2011 when riding in the under-23 race. 12th in 2014 was his best in the Elite race. Has a 2nd and 3rd on the cobbles and finished on the podium in MSR this season. Rode prominently last start in RVV, suggesting an improving arc to his condition. Opened at as high as 24/1 and best presently, however he has been as low as 17/1, where he belongs, so 24/1 is exceptional value on E/W terms, especially since a couple are going four places. Coming into this at the right time. Go very close. ** Niki Terpstra DNF last year after crashing-out due to a mechanical failure. Won here in 2014 in splendid fashion when going solo late. Won last start RVV going deep and finshing-off well. Will be further improved on the back of such a strong performance, and his character dictates that he will be making claims as QST's principal for full and committed assistance on the road. Came in after his RVV win and was as high as 9/1 and as low as 5/1. I believe he should be just behind Sagan on the second line of betting and therefore believe he represents excellent value at 9/1 or better, W/O. Expecting a good go for him into 7/1 at the start line. One of the main contenders. 1/2* Jasper Stuyven 4th here last year when coming into the velodrome with the race-winning break. Initially, signalled his promise on the cobbles when winning KBK solo in 2016. Defended that race in 2017 in admirable fashion when getting beat into 2nd-place by non-other than Sagan. Has had a consistent season on the cobbles without getting any results and is proven over this way of going with an impressive engine to hurt the main contenders if given the right conditions. Priced flatly across the boards with some taking him on at 24/1, however his true price is 66/1. E/W, best. Knocking on the door of a breakthrough win. Treat warily. 1/8* Mike Teunissen 49th here last year. Best finish was a win in the Under-23 race in 2014. This season, has a nice 2nd-place finish in DDV prior to his 18th-place finish in RVV. 23rd in Scheldeprijs last start. Nowhere near any sort of value at 79/1, expect 150/1 considering place terms. Can give a good account of himself and is in a buoyant state of mind. Place claims best. Worthy of some consideration. |
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Hi SP, definitely think the four you've mentioned are live chances, although Teunissen would be a big shock despite his impressive spring. You're right to say Nibali lit things up and Terpstra attacked off the back of that but my point was that Oss was working before that when it should have been the responsibility of Quickstep to bring that foursome back. A race-ending tactical mistake because when Terpstra attacks, there is not the power to bring him back.
RE Gilbert, he was a muur rider for most of his career but now the explosiveness is gone and the skill on the pave remains, he is the man for this race I believe. |
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Also, I think Gilbert is the strongest man in the peloton, bar none, and basically, he wins what he wants to win these days. His goal is this, he is in the strongest team and it will take something extraordinary to stop him winning it, imo.
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Would agree Gilbert looks the answer. See eight eight eight have him listed at 15s but that must be a mistake by oddschecker. Either way cant get a bet on with them !! Have availed of a bit of 12, 11 & 9 on here as think it looks great value. Good luck all !!
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Top right up again both of you btw
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Warm and Dry, not good news for Stybar or Van Aert.
My team Gilbert Kristoff Stuyven |
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Some interesting beers in this part of France too MC.
Disappointed with the dry weather, I backed Van Aert a few weeks ago and have been toying with Stybar. I backed him Win only last year when supposedly he was working for Boonen, expect him to be up the road again at some point this year even if Gilbert is team first choice. |
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two haymen
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Looks like that might be the end of Trentin
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Sounds like the young Belgian rider Michael Goolaerts from Verandas Willems has suffered cardiac arrest. Hope he pulls through. Only 23.
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Well, thrilling stuff from the Boss of the peloton. I mean, very difficult to think that such a quality group were going to just let Sagan ride off the front without any concern whatsoever. I guess they expected to drill the pave sectors and keep him within range, but the only rider who looked likely doing that was Terpstra, however Sagan was drilling the sectors too, and by staying with the break and getting assistancefrom them, he put the writing on the wall very early on in the piece. GVA could've done more, but he looked to be struggling just prior to Sagan's attack, and whilst he regained some composure it seems like he is well behind from last year, and that's his season pretty much over now.
Amazing ride from Dillier, I always hold great respect for riders who do their fair share and for him to have worked with Sagan was very good to see, and whilst he was just hanging-on in the final sectors, he was very valiant in defeat, I think. Didn't really see Terpstra's attack, but he confirmed his top condition to put big time into the chase group in short order. I mainly had him WIN ONLY, so no joy for me with his 3rd-place finish, but am glad he rode truly. Pity also about Stuyven, fair ride, he hurt his chances by attacking earlier, but would've been nice to have had him come into 4th for a place. Teunissen rode with courage to have attacked when he did, but obviously an inexperienced move and whilst he finished the race off nicely for an 11th-place, he has much to learn still. Gilbert's move was amateurish and I think that can only confirm my analysis that he was only ever going to play a tactical role with Terpstra the big hope for QST, coming as it did after Stybar's hand in proceedings. I was never worried with my lay on him, and with the Ardennes coming up I think he has cracked his condition a little here. Very odd. Saw Demare twice, I think. Once at the back, and once at the front, and then never saw him again. Very disappointed with that ride, he has really knocked-up there. No news on Goolaerts as yet, hopefully he'll pull through -- prayers for him. |
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Michael Goolaerts died tonight,awful news.
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RIP
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