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Stage 11 in Andorra was the stage everyone wanted to see but this is just as hard and with the levels of fatigue we could see some big changes to the GC on this last summit finish of the Vuelta. There are 7 categorised climbs in total today, with over 5,000 metres of vertical climbing.

Luarca is the start town for this 185km long and very difficult looking stage. Luarca is the principal town in the municipality of Valdes, in Asturias, a bit further West from Oviedo and Gijon. The climbing starts immediately with the Cat 3 Alto de Aristébano, which is 14km long and 3.4%. This should enable an early break to get away and there will be plenty of riders willing to roll the dice today. They take this climb from the easier side so there is a sharp and technical descent before two more uncategorised climbs and then the Cat 2 Alto de Piedratecha which is 10.6km @ 4.6%. The next 100km or so will be fairly straightforward, with only the Cat 3 Alto de cabruñana at 86km (4.8km @ 6.7%) and the Cat 2 Alto del Tenebredo at 120km (3.7% @ 8.9%) to worry about. The last 44km are where the really tough climbing miles will be done.

First they hit the Cat 2 Alto Del Cordal. This is 8.5km at 5.7% and will further weaken the legs and thin the bunch but its a pretty steady climb. They then have a fast and difficult  6km descent before the penultimate climb of the day, the Cat 1 Alto de la Cobertoria. This is a very tough climb, and if there are serious attacks amongst the GC group on here the race could blow to pieces. The Corbertoria has almost 5km in the middle at double digit gradients. It does even out but having a climb of this magnitude before the final climb could serious damage the chances of anyone except the specialist climbers.

The Alto Ermita de Alba is another new climb for the Vuelta, and it is a ripper! This is an Especial climb, despite being only 6.8km long. How can that be? Well the entire climb is averages 11.1% and this has several sections upto 15% and a maximum gradient of 21%. With a rest day following this stage and then the flat almost 40km TT the main point of interest is how much time can the climbers amongst the GC contenders like Aru and Rodriguez put into Tom Dumoulin? He is 1'25 down on those two, and would normally make 3 minutes or so on a TT of that length. Whether he can create that sort of time gap in the third week of a Grand Tour remains to be seen, but the next two stages will go a long way towards answering the questions that remain in trying to work out who will wear the red jersey in Paris.


I think the breakaway will take this. I expect to see a big break get up the road, and with Aru (just) in red, Astana will have to control the race again, even with 7 men. With three tough climbs in the finale the GC teams will have their numbers reduced and this could make it tough to bring back a break if its strong and there are decent climbers in it. This is quite likely due to the early climb. When the leaders hit the climb Rodriguez will be keen to make more time on Aru. He needs to because he is the weakest of the GC contenders in the TT and there is little chance of making time after the TT. This is developing into one of the most exciting and fascinating Grand Tours in years. It should also be one of the most interesting Grand Tour TTs. Aru should beat Rodriguez in the TT, but Majka should beat them both. Then Dumoulin should beat the three of them. I'm dreaming of a GC of something like Rodriguez, Aru (+30), Majka (+1.30), Dumoulin (2.45) going into that TT so this should be an absolutely fascinating stage.
In terms of winners, top climbers who are out of the GC picture must be the way to go here. Mikel Landa, Kenny Elissonde both have previous for winning this sort of stage. Henao, De Clerq and Duarte are also likely types. Each way bets on Pierre Rolland at 150/1 and Andrew Talansky 250/1 for me.

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By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 11:28
Plaza should go in the break for KOM points
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 11:56
Plaza not in the break, Fraile being in the break should secure KOM for him.
The break has some strong climbers but is a small one.  Go Torres.
By:
Happybacker
When: 07 Sep 15 11:59
Plaza hasn't made the break but good news for MC is that Rolland has! So looks a good shout for this one though only five in the break with another five chasing, think they will need the 10 together to make it work. Still not sure the break will win the day as the gc riders are really going to attack the final climb knowing it could be the last chance to put serious time in to Dumoulin.
I wonder if Quintana will think of doing a long attack like his race winning move at the giro last year?? He seems to be getting stronger now and a big attack would be his only chance of overall victory. At the giro he attacked on the descent before the final climb, if he is in shape it could  be a good place for him and Valverde to launch a move here? backed Quintana 11/2. May add a rider or two from the break later.
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 12:05
I have a feeling Quintana will rise from the ashes today.
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 12:13
Movistar did most of the work yesterday in controlling the break before the final climb.  He will probably need to rely on other teams helping to chase the break today if he wants to win the stage.
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 12:13
10 riders in the break.  They already have 8:30 after 20km.
By:
Wildcat Army.
When: 07 Sep 15 12:36
And Pierre Rolland is in there for MC.... 150/1 looks a good investment now !
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 12:56
Indeed,  Chapeau mc!

Long way to go still but the hard work of getting a 150/1 shot in the break is done.
By:
Happybacker
When: 07 Sep 15 13:02
Already 16 mins for the break!
By:
marychain1
When: 07 Sep 15 14:45
This could be handy, 19 mins up with 82km left. Torres and Schleck probably the main dangers in this group?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 14:56
At 150/1 Rolland would represent the biggest priced tip on this forum should he do the business for MC, certainly the biggest price since we've formed this loose association of forum regulars from the old forum. I think MC, you had a 200/1 pop landed on place terms in the Tour?

Rolland is essentially riding against inferior opposition, he is the class rider, but there are some plucky climbers with him so it's not assured. Not having any bets at ante-post, I'm more than happy to sit back and cheer on MC's hope, but there may be some other options which might be interesting IR.
By:
Happybacker
When: 07 Sep 15 15:18
The bookies are making Rolland 3rd faav in this group behind Torres and Schleck!! Personally i'd have him as fav here so good luck MC.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 15:18
Schleck -- hasn't had a win since his Nationals RR in 2014. He was building some form in his last start before the Vuelta, the Tour of Utah, but he could only manage a 4th place, with Berhane beating him but Schleck beating Horner. Even if he is on good sensations, I don't think he can still take multiple hits and have a kick.

Torres -- even though he is 28yo and approaching his prime as a rider, he doesn't have much experience in the pro ranks, and I think he might struggle in the pressure-cooker atmosphere of a big climb in a GT. Can't believe he is the favourite presently, but not laying.

Rolland -- is better than Pinot, imo. Was in the breakaway yesterday, which is about all he has done in this race, but it shows he is feeling strong and motivated for a stage win. Multiple Tour stage winner, top 10 performer in multiple GTs. 2nd favourite at better than 3/1 looks very inviting, on here. Taking some of that for a trade and outright.

Fraile -- has two pro wins, however neither of those two wins have been on gradient such as this. I think the combination of gradient and distance will hurt him.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 15:20
Yes, I agree HB, Rolland should be the clear favourite here -- can't work out why he isn't, though?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 15:28
I'd have Moser better than Schleck, Torres, and Fraile.

Moser -- showed his climbing credentials when he placed 3rd on the Alp d'Huez stage in the 2013 Tour, and whilst he hasn't done much since then, he is only a 24yo, so he might be coming back into it and therefore is a rider with more promise than the three aforementioned.

KAT riding like they have the Virtual Leader in Purito! Laugh Love it! Love
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 15:35
SwingingPick • September 7, 2015 3:18 PM BST
Rolland -- is better than Pinot, imo.


lol. I remember your posts from the tour about Pinot.  You must of posted "Pinot is a bum Laugh" about five or six times.  Then he won stage 20 to alp d'huez holding off a charging Quintana.
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 15:47
Moser finished 3rd on the Alp d'Huez stage (where they climbed it twice) albeit from a 3 man break.  He hasn't really gone on with it after getting some good results a few years back including winning the tour of Poland beating Kwiatkowski.  He has shown a few good signs recently but still is an unknown quantity on long steep climbs.  He bridged across to the initial break today so he may be keen to do something so I'm happy to have him onboard.
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 15:49
get in Vakoc
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 15:57
This is TCS going ALL IN -- desperate stuff -- but how is it going to work exactly, if Majka doesn't take it up at the bottom of the final climb? Confused
By:
Happybacker
When: 07 Sep 15 16:03
I think Tinkoff have got it right really laying it down here and surprised Katusha/ Astana/ Movistar aren't helping more, as this is the way to really hurt Dumoulin by putting the pace on now with the 3 very hard climbs to tackle in quick succession.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 16:12
I would've thought this final climb is difficult enough for Dumoulin to come unstuck today, but if he is gone today completely than no nice trades in the ITT as he lights up the course. Anyway, as I suspected TCS have retreated back into the fold, so it was just a bit of nonsense, but it did reveal to us that he is on good sensations, so they are pretty helpful in letting us know that. Cool
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 16:13
*Majka.
By:
Happybacker
When: 07 Sep 15 16:19
Looks like definitely not Rollands day unlucky MC. Frank Schleck looking strong here.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 16:33
Found something about Torres -- 2nd in San Luis at the start of the year, on a summit finish, with 13 secs on Quintana in 4th -- average of that 16kms climb at 7.8%. Schleck looking like the Frank of old who never reached his brother's success -- second vintage?
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 16:36
Does Schleck still have bury-mode ability? Torres just sitting there, but he is not at all that comfortable, while Schleck is up for some real suffering, and has been on the front since making the selection. Until now...
By:
Happybacker
When: 07 Sep 15 16:37
Looks like the books had it right between Torres and Schleck!
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 16:38
Yes, entirely. 1st and 2nd favourites.
By:
marychain1
When: 07 Sep 15 16:53
Rolland. Cry There goes my Island in the sea.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 16:57
I think the market likes Torres for the 21% with 3 kms to go -- suggesting he likes the mountain-goat gradient. That'll do me -- I'm on Torres!
By:
the swede
When: 07 Sep 15 16:58
1,12 matched on torres. damm i was on 1,11
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 16:59
Plenty of room to 1.5 available.
By:
marychain1
When: 07 Sep 15 17:03
Dumoulin should now be favourite for this Vuelta
By:
marychain1
When: 07 Sep 15 17:06
FFS Schleck was on my shortlist for today as well
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 17:08
Talked myself out of that...
By:
SwingingPick
When: 07 Sep 15 17:10
Aru getting shuffled back, again today.
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 17:11
Dumoulin
By:
marychain1
When: 07 Sep 15 17:14
Zubedlia and Schleck! It must be 2003
By:
nugget
When: 07 Sep 15 17:14
Dubious from Schleck
By:
the swede
When: 07 Sep 15 17:16
Astana the tactic masters Cool
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