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2015  » Classic » Waremme - Mur de Huy (1.UWT)

A quick glance at the profile of La Flèche Wallonne and you'd think it might be one for the sprinters. The highest point on the parcours in terms of altitude is 258m. However, the profile disguises a horrendous amount of small, sharp climbs that sap the legs. The most energy sapping climb of all is the Mur de Huy, which is taken 3 times in all, including as the final climb. This famous climb is 1300m and rises 128m giving an average gradient of 9.3%, but it tops out at 17% and as such the race is normally decided on this ramp. The Mur really does guarantee a fantastic finish, with positioning coming into the bottom of the climb crucial, and timing of the move of the upmost importance. If they are spot on climbers can be well rewarded here if on form, but this year of all years the top climbers should be here this year as Stage 6 of the Tour de France finishes atop the Mur de Huy. 

La Flèche Wallonne Previous Winners
2014 | VALVERDE Alejandro
2013 | MORENO Daniel
2012 | RODRíGUEZ Joaquim
2011 | GILBERT Philippe
2010 | EVANS Cadel
2009 | REBELLIN Davide
2008 | KIRCHEN Kim
2007 | REBELLIN Davide
2006 | VALVERDE Alejandro
2005 | DI LUCA Danilo

Top-10 2014 Flèche Wallonne
1.VALVERDE Alejandro 4:36:45
2.MARTIN Daniel 0:03
3.KWIATKOWSKI Michal 0:04
4.MOLLEMA Bauke ,,
5.SLAGTER Tom-Jelte 0:06
6.VANENDERT Jelle ,,
7.ALBASINI Michael 0:08
8.KREUZIGER Roman ,,
9.MORENO Daniel 0:11
10.GILBERT Philippe 0:15
La Flèche Wallonne 2014 last 10kms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLhQ2fYxwRA

Route


Profile


Last kms




Market
Valverde 4/1
Rodriguez 9/2
Dan Martin 9/1
Henao 9/1
Kwiatowski 11/1
Contador 14/1
Moreno 16/1
Gilbert 18/1
Mollema 25/1
Betancur 33/1
Vanendert 33/1
Arrendondo 33/1
Froome 33/1
Quintana 40/1
Slagter 40/1
Caruso 50/1
Poels 50/1

It will be very interesting to see if Froome, Contador and Quintana line up in this race. No bet for me at this stage, although I do have an idea of who I'd like to back if the prices are right.

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By:
ClayDavis
When: 20 Apr 15 10:10
Last year's winner Valverde's results in the Ardennes Classic since 2013 2nd, 7th, 3rd, 4th, 1st, 2nd, 2nd
By:
Happybacker
When: 20 Apr 15 10:48
It's worth noting that a new climb has been added this year the Cote de Charave 1.5km long at an average 8%, and is just 5.5km from the finish!
Itis going to be very interesting to see how this effects things, it could totally change the race with it being an ideal point to launch an attack with just a short descent from the top to the start of the Mur de Huy. I've already seen a quote from Jelle Vanendert stating that the new climb will definitely liven things up with attcks sure to go off there.
It might also be worth noting that stage 3 of this years TDF finshes with these 2 climbs, finishing atop the Mur de Huy, hence why Froome, Quintana etc are here to get a feel for it. And as they will be likely to be keen to test their legs on these climbs their prices at 40/1 and 66/1 respectively maybe  slightly  on the generous side??
By:
SwingingPick
When: 20 Apr 15 19:55
Also, the opening city is in Waremme this time, which doesn't mean much, but the bigger circuit of the race has been reduced from 64km to 58.5km and the total climbs of the bigger circuit goes from six to four climbs. The Cote de Cherave definitely looks like a key addition, and it also lengthens the final circuit lap, which means that the total length of the race is now 205.5 kms instead of 199km. That though is only appropriate, all classics at this level, not including the Neutralized starting kms, should be beyond 200 kms.

Yep, stage 3 not stage 6 MC, with respect to the TdF. Prices no doubt generous, and if those candidates are going to race, well...I don't know...are they going to race!?
By:
nugget
When: 21 Apr 15 03:34
With Movistar, Sky, Katusha, Cannondale, Etixx and BMC to control the race, this should be decided on the final ascent of the Mur de Huy. 
The addition of the climb 5.5km from the finish help the chances of climbers like Froome and he could do something here but this is usually off-season racing for him and Henao is Sky's main man here. Evans 2010 win here in the rainbow jersey was one of my favourites, beating Rodriguez and Contador into 2nd and 3rd.  This shows climbers can have their day on the Mur, Contador however (14-1) wont be riding.
By:
SwingingPick
When: 21 Apr 15 13:28
*** Daniel Martin Since 2012 here, he has consistently improved on his already impressive performances, going: 6/4/2. It's clear that upon reviewing his 15th place finish in AGR last start, he is in good form. Only his positioning was suspect in the lead-in to the Cauberg for the final time. After Gilbert had cleared out, Martin was the one on the front leading the chasing group, which eventually bridged to the attackers on the flat. This season, in Catalunya, his 4th place finish behind Bertie in the stage 4 climb into La Molina, particularly the finishing ramp, is a good parallel to what's on offer here and it validates his credentials for this season. Coming into this at the right time. Commands the utmost respect. Strong claims. 7/1 (BV) W/O is okay, but 11/1 E/W best. Big danger.

* Chris Froome His best result here was a 34th place finish in 2009, and his worst result was a 116th place finish the following year. This season; he hasn't raced since Catalunya where he was largely MIA. Prior to that, he rode his first race of the season in Andalucia, coming out in a very forward condition and skewering Contador in highly impressive fashion into Alto de Allanadas of stage 4, by +29secs. He is not the kind of soft or scared rider to get nervous on the front of a fast moving peloton, and indeed his confidence in the peloton means he can position himself for a suitable attack on either of the two final climbs. If he can repeat the type of whirling cadence he exemplified on stage 2 of last year's Criterium Dauphine up to Col du Beal, he has the explosive kick on a climb of such serious note as the Mur de Huy to gap any of these riders in devastating fashion. He may be here for a recon under race conditions, however he only requires a small opportunity to take command of this race. Has the ability to blitz this field. Interesting proposition. Excellent value 65/1 (PP 4 places) E/W. Treat warily.

1/4* Julian Arredondo 11th here last year when on debut brings him into calculations, as does his light frame and perfectly suitable characteristics. Conversely, he is having a slow season with no results to speak of, for instance finishing 100th last start in AGR, which was his first race since the Basque Country. Will require luck in-running. Hard to get right. Has minor place claims. 50/1 (various) E/W, should be 180/1. Take on trust.

1/8* Diego Ulissi Between 2012-2014, when racing the three races of the Ardennes, his best results came in this race, and he has gone: 9/13/17. Last start, 49th AGR +52secs, looks like he needed the hit-out. Has suitable characteristics, certainly much better than teammate Rui Costa. Perhaps a place. 125/1 (PP 4 places) E/W, should be 220/1. Consider.

Good luck to all,
SP
By:
cedarmaster
When: 21 Apr 15 20:27
main pick here is

Michel Albasini @ 50/1 put in a great ride last week looking strong and i expect him to be stronger than teammate Simon Yates. He has excellent course form
By:
marychain1
When: 21 Apr 15 21:31
I quite fancy Yates for this Whoops
By:
marychain1
When: 21 Apr 15 21:47
Bloody hell SP, let us know where the 11/1 Martin is! Wink
By:
Happybacker
When: 21 Apr 15 22:35
Have also backed DAN MARTIN myself 7/1 was best I could manage! Of the favourites he is my main pick, he has flown up the Mur de Huy the last 2 years and is surely going to be right there again. Obviously Valverde is the man to beat but at 11/4 he is too short for me.
The other rider I like of the favourites is DANI MORENO at 14/1, he looked the strongest of the katusha riders on sunday and i'm sure i read Purito's main aim is LBL so hopefully Moreno will be their main man here?

I do think though that there is a chance we may see a different finish with the new climb, cote de charave, coming so close to the end. If a decent rider or 2 gets a gap at the top of Charave they will be very hard to catch. So have decided to back a couple at decent prices.
The first one i'm thinking of is NIBALI 50/1 ew. He may be thinking more of LBL? But he is always looking to attack from afar and so an attack on the penultimate climb may well be a good opportunity for him. With his descending speed, if he gets away on Charave I dont think he would be caught.

Have also backed FROOME at 66/1 ew as just think he is too big a price. He doesnt have any one day form of note but there is no reason why he shouldnt be fast up the Mur de Huy. His form has to be a? But Porte has said they have just done a very intense 12 day altitude training camp and are in superb condition. Froome will have in his mind that he will be finishing over this course in the tdf stage 3 and with bonus seconds available this year will want to be right up there, so the only way to really test himself on it is to give it a real good go here??
By:
marychain1
When: 21 Apr 15 22:44
I think you can make a fairly convincing case for any of Valverde, Rodriguez, Martin or Kwiatowski and you have to add Henao in on his form on the Pais Vasco steep slopes. I also think Gilbert has been largely overlooked. Despite the fact his kick clearly wasn't as strong as it was in 2014 on the Cauberg, he still had a significant gap over everyone and although he was only 10th here last year he was incovenienced on the run-in to the Mur de Huy and he might well fare much better given better fortune on the approach. I'm going for Valverde, Kwiatowski and Arredondo. Valverde 10/3 is win only material but think he looked very strong bridging over to the two leaders on the Cauberg and played his cards perfectly in 2014. No-one in the peloton seems to be learning faster the Kwiatowski and 11/1 looks a very good each way bet if he has recovered from Sunday's exertions. Arrendondo is a bit of longshot at 50/1 but seemed to have decent legs when he hit the front on the final climb last year and can scare the market favourites if he times his run.
By:
Happybacker
When: 21 Apr 15 22:45
Have also done a little on a Sky double tomorrow Froome 66/1 and Porte (stage 2 Trentino) 3/1!!
Actually thought Porte would be closer to evens for tomorrow and to me looks a great bet at 3's.
By:
marychain1
When: 21 Apr 15 22:46
COVERAGE 1.15pm Eurosport
By:
marychain1
When: 21 Apr 15 23:10
Small bit on Froome on here at 90, win only. He'll either be out the back or trading odds on so happy with win only.
By:
tashkent terror
When: 22 Apr 15 06:07
Gilbert for me, 22/1...nice priceWink
By:
SwingingPick
When: 22 Apr 15 08:27
Okay, MC, you very-well know that the markets move and prices fluctuate according to a variety of factors. I have been careful to never suggest that that is the price I got for Dan Martin, just that for those looking for value and perhaps thinking of taking Dan Martin, they might wait to see if they can get the better price. Yes, it's unlikely that the price will drift out to 11/1, but you just never know.

Just to echo HB, Valverde the obvious danger after his excellent AGR ride, but just too short to hold with any stake for me.

On Gilbert, just looks like with his advancing age, any form he has at the start of his Ardennes campaign seems to taper off with successive rides and he's not even mentioned in running, however with the pressure off BMC for this race, he may feel that the pressure is off him and he grow wings, and his price has improved on the back of his last start failure to make some appeal. Don't want him on-side at ante-post, though.

Not sure I would agree that such a strong case may be made for the Flowerman here, if wasn't for the flats last start, there was no way he was making it across to Gilbert and even Matthews were the finish to have come on top of the Cauberg, and with the climb significantly harder here, there's little chance he will be the one to make play ahead of some very talented and punchy climbers. Can't have him here at all. Moreno I like, but you can't back them all at ante-post and still make a profit, so will leave him out at some significant risk at this stage.

Cheers,
SP
By:
cedarmaster
When: 22 Apr 15 08:48
I dont think Froome has the acceleration on the steep climbs. However at the big price he is i am tempted to take a plunge on the other Sky rider who did so much work last week
Lars Peter Nordaug @ 200/1

Should Sammy Sanchez be 125/1?

Think we would all love Dan the man to win especially as he has been very unlucky in the past, you just get the feeling another fast finisher will come and mug him near the finish

anyway good luck with everyones picks and lets have a crash free race
By:
ClayDavis
When: 22 Apr 15 09:00
Kwitkowski is a huge price here. I don't think he got the credit he deserved for winning on Sunday. Plus he was 3rd here last year despite leading half way up the climb. He took it up way too early last year and he knows it but he still stuck on well for third. Kwitkowski learns from his mistakes. He is a massive price. He will be there or there abouts, that's for sure

Also no one mentioning how well Rui Costa rode on Sunday and with the new climb today he could be just the type of rider  to benefit. For a rider of his class he is an enormous price today.

Very happy to back Kwitkowski and Rui Costa each way
By:
cedarmaster
When: 22 Apr 15 11:18
Racing Post puts up

Valverde win @ 10/3
Wellens  e/w @ 125/1
By:
Happybacker
When: 22 Apr 15 13:44
Crash for Dan Martin looks like he is in pain must be day over for him.

Easy win for Porte at stage 2 Trentino the 3/1 looked a gift!
By:
Happybacker
When: 22 Apr 15 13:57
Dan Martin has made it backed to the peleton so might not be as bad as first looked though certainly not helped his chances today.
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 14:19
Well done HB hope Froome obliges for you (and me)
By:
Happybacker
When: 22 Apr 15 14:36
Sky certainly putting plenty of pace on now really eating in to the break. Big crash for Gilbert now and he has abandoned!
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 14:37
That was ridiculous did you see that trailer? Which moron parked that there with it sticking half out into the road? Took out Jungels, Gilbert and a couple of other riders, and had nearly half the peloton down.
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 14:50
Poels, Nordhaug, Roux, Sutherland and a few others having a close look at a ditch
By:
Happybacker
When: 22 Apr 15 15:29
How many crashes!! that looks like the end for Froome now, there is going to be a lot of sore riders tomorrow!
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 15:37
Cracking attack this from Wellens!
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 15:39
That lead is 20secs not 6
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 15:44
Valverde! That was some performance, led all the way up.
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 15:47
Great pick from Cedarmaster Albasini 3rd 50/1
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 15:48
Purito was sitting on Valverde's wheel on the way up the mur and I thought he would just come past put he just couldn't stay with Valverde
By:
Happybacker
When: 22 Apr 15 15:58
Yes impressive by Valverde but i was a bit disappointed with the lack of action up the Mur the final time. Like you said MC he led from the bottom was always in control,  didn't look like he was very comfortable or going any great pace but no one had the legs to get near him.
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 18:46
Great illustration today of how unreliable those transponders are when it comes to time gaps today. When Wellens attacks it gives the gap as 6 seconds for ages. There's a great opportunity to time the gap when he goes past a series of lamp posts with around 3.1km to goand the producer stays with the aerial shot from the helicopter after he passes. I timed the gap at 15 seconds then and it got bigger than that.
By:
cedarmaster
When: 22 Apr 15 19:09
not bad picks by racing post again either
By:
marychain1
When: 22 Apr 15 21:50
Who puts up the cycling picks in the RP?
By:
cedarmaster
When: 23 Apr 15 11:08
MC - on investigation they were two different correspondents

Amstel Gold - Kwiatowski selection was by Phil Agius

Fleche Wallone - Valverde/Wellens selection was by Paul Charlton

i will monitor further selections
By:
SwingingPick
When: 24 Apr 15 07:26
All those crashes marred the race, and unfortunately took out some of the fancied riders -- that's racing-- however that race was served-up on a platter for Valverde, both by the hard work of his team, and the apparent disinterest of the main contenders in attacking him on the final climb of the Mur de Huy.

Valverde's excellent 2nd place finish in AGR was the signal of his strong form in the Ardennes, however the Books moved the market appropriately and they won on this one.

Well done CM on the Albasini pick, and thanks for putting up the Racing Post selections, very interesting.

Cheers,
SP
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