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Splendid application from Rahul and Gill there, proper mental fortitude. Keeps the series alive, at least until tomorrow.
England still strong favourites but unless Stokes turns his arm over it could be hard going for the other bowlers. Dawson will no doubt bowl a long spell but on todays evidence there's not enough turn to worry class batsmen, still it will be Day 5 and the wicket may allow him to get more out of it.
Hayden - Tim David can certainly hit the ball a long way, i actually saw his fellow Aussie Andrew Symonds score a record breaking 34 ball ton at Mote Park in the early days of the Twenty20 (2004) playing for Kent against Middlesex. Kent were set what we thought was a very challenging target of 156 in 18 overs but they got there with 5 overs to spare ! What struck me about his innings was he wasn't really slogging, just hitting the ball unbelievably hard playing, in the main, proper shots.
England still strong favourites but unless Stokes turns his arm over it could be hard going for the other bowlers. Dawson will no doubt bowl a long spell but on todays evidence there's not enough turn to worry class batsmen, still it will be Day 5 and the wicket may allow him to get more out of it.
Hayden - Tim David can certainly hit the ball a long way, i actually saw his fellow Aussie Andrew Symonds score a record breaking 34 ball ton at Mote Park in the early days of the Twenty20 (2004) playing for Kent against Middlesex. Kent were set what we thought was a very challenging target of 156 in 18 overs but they got there with 5 overs to spare ! What struck me about his innings was he wasn't really slogging, just hitting the ball unbelievably hard playing, in the main, proper shots.
The late Andrew Symonds , remember more than one great knock from AS 
Beautiful clean hitting for David last night and was only a ball outside the fastest hundred from Rohit Sharma , just counting the big teams as i noticed Estonian player even beat that but my wife was probably bowling.
This is one from the memory bank but think the figures are correct , Collis King signed for North Wales team Pontblydden and went to watch his debut game , he broke the previous highest score for a team in that league on his own that day , ended up averaging around 140 and lost 4 balls in the reservoir in that debut game , just another day out that sticks in my mind.
Collis was always on the fringe of the Windies team around then and usually in the squad not carried the drinks a few times , main highlight would have been that stand with Viv in the world cup final coming in when they were in some bother.
Beautiful clean hitting for David last night and was only a ball outside the fastest hundred from Rohit Sharma , just counting the big teams as i noticed Estonian player even beat that but my wife was probably bowling.
This is one from the memory bank but think the figures are correct , Collis King signed for North Wales team Pontblydden and went to watch his debut game , he broke the previous highest score for a team in that league on his own that day , ended up averaging around 140 and lost 4 balls in the reservoir in that debut game , just another day out that sticks in my mind.
Collis was always on the fringe of the Windies team around then and usually in the squad not carried the drinks a few times , main highlight would have been that stand with Viv in the world cup final coming in when they were in some bother.
I remember Collis King playing that innings in the 79 World Cup Final very well, England had the upper hand until he came in. I had never heard of him at the time but i certainly knew who he was an hour or so later ! Never really fulfilled his potential but then the WI had so many great players it was hard to get in to the side
i suppose.
That final was of course notable for the incredible England collapse, losing their last 8 wickets for 11 runs after Mike Brearley and our Geoffrey had put on over 100 for the first wicket, unfortunately at Test match pace rather than one day ! When they were parted the rate required was over six an over, which would seem easily gettable today, but not then. Different times of course in the approach to a run chase.
i suppose.
That final was of course notable for the incredible England collapse, losing their last 8 wickets for 11 runs after Mike Brearley and our Geoffrey had put on over 100 for the first wicket, unfortunately at Test match pace rather than one day ! When they were parted the rate required was over six an over, which would seem easily gettable today, but not then. Different times of course in the approach to a run chase.
No rain guys it rather looks like it is missing hence price change.
Remember where there is rain there is cloud! Even if it doesn’t rain!
The pitch is playing pretty well still I would say. As long as the current batsmen can concentrate the first test will be the new ball after an hour or so. This Shirley has to be the game. Jadeja and Sundar have shown the application required but against the new ball?
Pant can come in late to block an end but I would say it is vital for India to knock off the deficit and build even a small lead as a buffer.
Think I should enjoy the cricket rather than get involved in degenerate gambling. My work here is done.
Remember where there is rain there is cloud! Even if it doesn’t rain!
The pitch is playing pretty well still I would say. As long as the current batsmen can concentrate the first test will be the new ball after an hour or so. This Shirley has to be the game. Jadeja and Sundar have shown the application required but against the new ball?
Pant can come in late to block an end but I would say it is vital for India to knock off the deficit and build even a small lead as a buffer.
Think I should enjoy the cricket rather than get involved in degenerate gambling. My work here is done.
From cricinfo
Colin Graves, the chairman of the ECB, has offered to help Collis King in his immigration fight, after it emerged the West Indian has been forced to return to Barbados while applying for a visa to live in the UK alongside his British wife.
King, who starred in West Indies' 1979 World Cup final victory, has spent more than 40 years living and working in the UK, alongside his native Barbados. But now, aged 67, he has been left in limbo after being told he could not submit an application for a spousal visa while still in the country, and given 14 days to return to the Caribbean.
Colin Graves, the chairman of the ECB, has offered to help Collis King in his immigration fight, after it emerged the West Indian has been forced to return to Barbados while applying for a visa to live in the UK alongside his British wife.
King, who starred in West Indies' 1979 World Cup final victory, has spent more than 40 years living and working in the UK, alongside his native Barbados. But now, aged 67, he has been left in limbo after being told he could not submit an application for a spousal visa while still in the country, and given 14 days to return to the Caribbean.
King's story has emerged following a controversial crackdown by the UK Home Office, although it is distinct from the issues affecting members of the Windrush generation who came to live and work in Britain after the Second World War. According to the Telegraph, King said he had been "treated like a criminal".
Graves was previously chairman of Dunnington CC in Yorkshire, where King has played and coached for 20 years, becoming a popular figure on the club scene. He has offered to act as a referee for King and write a letter of support.
"I was staggered that his application was thrown out without any further investigation," Graves told the newspaper. "Someone just looked at it and said, 'On your bike' and he was out. Nobody seemed to bother to look at it. It was cold and that is what upset me. They did not look at the individual, it was just another number on a file.
"From a cricket point of view in Yorkshire he has been a colossus. He is known around all the clubs and we will do everything we can from a cricket point of view because he is helping with what we are trying to achieve in the recreational game."
King has been unable to play for Dunnington this summer, and has spent the last four months waiting to hear about his status. Having been told he had to return to Barbados, he also suffered the indignity of having his passport taken away at the airport, and only returned when his flight landed in Bridgetown.
"I felt like I was treated like a criminal," he told the Telegraph. "It has really shaken me that after all that time that I can't stay. It really hit me for six."
An attacking batsman who played nine Tests and 18 ODIs, King hit 86 from just 66 balls as he and Viv Richards demolished England in the 1979 World Cup final. Although World Series Cricket and a rebel tour of South Africa ended his international career, he became a much-loved performer in the northern leagues of England, as well as turning out in county cricket for Glamorgan and Worcestershire.
Having previously travelled regularly to the UK on a visitor visa, King fell foul of the "hostile environment" cultivated by immigration officials after submitting his application for a spousal visa last year.
"We tried to get some help at the embassy in Barbados but it is all done online - there is hardly anybody in Barbados to give you any help," he said. "I have given all the information they asked for and more. I have waited and waited and nothing has happened.
Graves was previously chairman of Dunnington CC in Yorkshire, where King has played and coached for 20 years, becoming a popular figure on the club scene. He has offered to act as a referee for King and write a letter of support.
"I was staggered that his application was thrown out without any further investigation," Graves told the newspaper. "Someone just looked at it and said, 'On your bike' and he was out. Nobody seemed to bother to look at it. It was cold and that is what upset me. They did not look at the individual, it was just another number on a file.
"From a cricket point of view in Yorkshire he has been a colossus. He is known around all the clubs and we will do everything we can from a cricket point of view because he is helping with what we are trying to achieve in the recreational game."
King has been unable to play for Dunnington this summer, and has spent the last four months waiting to hear about his status. Having been told he had to return to Barbados, he also suffered the indignity of having his passport taken away at the airport, and only returned when his flight landed in Bridgetown.
"I felt like I was treated like a criminal," he told the Telegraph. "It has really shaken me that after all that time that I can't stay. It really hit me for six."
An attacking batsman who played nine Tests and 18 ODIs, King hit 86 from just 66 balls as he and Viv Richards demolished England in the 1979 World Cup final. Although World Series Cricket and a rebel tour of South Africa ended his international career, he became a much-loved performer in the northern leagues of England, as well as turning out in county cricket for Glamorgan and Worcestershire.
Having previously travelled regularly to the UK on a visitor visa, King fell foul of the "hostile environment" cultivated by immigration officials after submitting his application for a spousal visa last year.
"We tried to get some help at the embassy in Barbados but it is all done online - there is hardly anybody in Barbados to give you any help," he said. "I have given all the information they asked for and more. I have waited and waited and nothing has happened.
"I have been playing cricket in the UK for many years but I have always come back when my visa stated. I have never stayed longer than I was due to stay. If I had six months to play in the leagues, I would always come back on time. Never once in 44 years have I overstayed my time.
"I was not born a British citizen but I have been going to Britain long enough to feel part of the English set-up. You cannot come to a country for so many years without loving the place. I have been coming and going, loving the country and that is the sad thing, really. When I tell people what's going on, they say: 'That can't be right.' But it is right because here I am, stuck in Barbados not knowing when this will end."
Another West Indies-born former cricketer, Richard Stewart, who played for Middlesex in the 1960s, has faced a similar struggle in his attempts to receive a British passport. Stewart arrived in England in 1955, aged 10, and has lived there ever since, but was only told this week that he had been granted citizenship.
"I was not born a British citizen but I have been going to Britain long enough to feel part of the English set-up. You cannot come to a country for so many years without loving the place. I have been coming and going, loving the country and that is the sad thing, really. When I tell people what's going on, they say: 'That can't be right.' But it is right because here I am, stuck in Barbados not knowing when this will end."
Another West Indies-born former cricketer, Richard Stewart, who played for Middlesex in the 1960s, has faced a similar struggle in his attempts to receive a British passport. Stewart arrived in England in 1955, aged 10, and has lived there ever since, but was only told this week that he had been granted citizenship.
King was still playing club cricket for Yorkshire side Dunnington CC into his sixties.
Really tempted to lay England again
Looks bright in Manchester. India need to bat an hour before lunch and an hour after lunch.
Greed is a terrible thing
Looks bright in Manchester. India need to bat an hour before lunch and an hour after lunch.
Greed is a terrible thing
Jul 27, 2025 -- 8:40AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
Really tempted to lay England againLooks bright in Manchester. India need to bat an hour before lunch and an hour after lunch.Greed is a terrible thing
Why don't you back over 381.5 runs instead?
In case they shut up shop.
Tbf I got lucky yesterday afternoon and my boat came in.
I sacrificed 75% of my draw green to green out completely. I was also fortunate to be able to lay the draw below evens. I have a ridiculous India green. Not saying there is a snowball’s but if Stokes pursues aggressive fields India may post a small total and anything is possible on day 5 at least in my dreams.
What I mean is I am winning more than I would have been happy to settle for before the start so there is little point in chasing except of course for unadulterated degenerate greed and gambling addiction.
Tbf I got lucky yesterday afternoon and my boat came in.
I sacrificed 75% of my draw green to green out completely. I was also fortunate to be able to lay the draw below evens. I have a ridiculous India green. Not saying there is a snowball’s but if Stokes pursues aggressive fields India may post a small total and anything is possible on day 5 at least in my dreams.
What I mean is I am winning more than I would have been happy to settle for before the start so there is little point in chasing except of course for unadulterated degenerate greed and gambling addiction.
I can't imagine they shut up shop to 2 runs an over, especially as runs are important too
I think you are probably right Jerry
My fear is one wicket opens the door to 3 left handlers who might not be best placed to deal with a new ball. Once they have they will then have to deal with Dawson bowling into the rough. I think they can deal with him particularly if the current batsmen can deal with the new ball.
Interesting to see how Dawson fares today on a 5th day strip. He is a decent cricketer but I do not believe will add much to the recovery of the Ashes. He needs to rip it up or w3 go back to Bashir or Regan in Aus. He deserves a crack at The Oval. He has certainly done his time. I just do not see too much in him at this level apart from being a great competitor, which,is sometimes not enough
My fear is one wicket opens the door to 3 left handlers who might not be best placed to deal with a new ball. Once they have they will then have to deal with Dawson bowling into the rough. I think they can deal with him particularly if the current batsmen can deal with the new ball.
Interesting to see how Dawson fares today on a 5th day strip. He is a decent cricketer but I do not believe will add much to the recovery of the Ashes. He needs to rip it up or w3 go back to Bashir or Regan in Aus. He deserves a crack at The Oval. He has certainly done his time. I just do not see too much in him at this level apart from being a great competitor, which,is sometimes not enough
And that low one from Stokes is why I am happy to keep what I have
Thanks for posting the Collis King debacle WD , wasn't aware at all
Not jumping back into the market here just going to watch and hopefully enjoy a nail-biter.
Not jumping back into the market here just going to watch and hopefully enjoy a nail-biter.
I was a little shocked by that!
I mean he outshone The God Father in the Final. Lived a large part of his life in England. married a British woman and they treat him like that.
I mean he outshone The God Father in the Final. Lived a large part of his life in England. married a British woman and they treat him like that.
I took your advice yesterday.
Uneven bounce may even out yet who knows.
Being pinned in the back foot is not the answer. Better to step towards the ball even if short then duck if it rears.
Uneven bounce may even out yet who knows.
Being pinned in the back foot is not the answer. Better to step towards the ball even if short then duck if it rears.
Not impressed with Dawson bowling straight rather than trying to use the rough. Need to show more imagination. Seems like he is auditioning for the part of keeping it tight in the Winter.
Hard to believe he is batting in a long sleeve jumper
They need to bat another 15 overs and nothing else is important.
England have bowled 843 overs in this series. This is the most overs they have bowled in the first four Tests of a series since 1964-65 in South Africa.
I think the Dawson argument has been kiboshed!
Good honest professional and decent cricketer but another metronome who doesn’t quite get the craft imho. I would rather stick with Shoib or and take Rehen to Aus.
Good honest professional and decent cricketer but another metronome who doesn’t quite get the craft imho. I would rather stick with Shoib or and take Rehen to Aus.
I like Carse. He has the heart of a Lion and is a specimen. Needs to work with Anderson and learn some tricks.
I th8nk Root is quite under rated as a 4th innings type bowler. He can give it a rip.
Love watching the Rockstar at the crease , big fav of mine
Just shows how careful you have to be making these declarations , there were cries for Stokes to declare 100 runs earlier but going for the two way result in view of the series status was always correct for me , great stuff Ben for not being gung ho silly.
I know i'm assuming too much here to not make this sound silly but imagine Ben going 100 runs less meaning India being say 75 runs more and you could have easily seen India close on 200 runs ahead here and the two way outcome on the other foot , still an almost certain draw as it's panned out but good Stokes captaincy to curb the " we don't draw " emotions in my view.
Despite the Hampshire bias agree with Dawson tbh , a surprising inclusion but difficult in hindsight as to which other options would have been preferable.
I know i'm assuming too much here to not make this sound silly but imagine Ben going 100 runs less meaning India being say 75 runs more and you could have easily seen India close on 200 runs ahead here and the two way outcome on the other foot , still an almost certain draw as it's panned out but good Stokes captaincy to curb the " we don't draw " emotions in my view.
Despite the Hampshire bias agree with Dawson tbh , a surprising inclusion but difficult in hindsight as to which other options would have been preferable.
Agreed,
Stokes was right. My only point was that it was cloudy. Coulda, woulda, shoulda got a couple more wickets? Who knows? Certainly n9 complaints from me.
Yes also a little surprised by Dawson. As we just saw on tv Stokes pointed out where the rough is and then bowled Woakes.
This is going to be interested. Round the wicket? He is still bowling on the straight.
Dawson will not like getting hit
Stokes was right. My only point was that it was cloudy. Coulda, woulda, shoulda got a couple more wickets? Who knows? Certainly n9 complaints from me.
Yes also a little surprised by Dawson. As we just saw on tv Stokes pointed out where the rough is and then bowled Woakes.
This is going to be interested. Round the wicket? He is still bowling on the straight.
Dawson will not like getting hit
It blaming Dawson either but some of the criticism of Bashir was unfounded. He took more wickets than Jadeja and Stokes with a soft ball and did not get a chance to bowl 4 th innings.
No same here regarding no complaints as assuming Stokes would be sensible was part of the reason for never writing off the draw , if i hadn't have greened it all up at 2.32 though i can imagine the cat would have had to run for cover when they were 0-2 
Got to be honest I was happy for an opportunity to green out after 0-2
Won't be betting pre-game at the Oval but gut feeling tells me this series is destined to end 2-2.
Admittedly some not outs included but as we speak with Jadeja 67 not out he's averaging 131.33 in the series 
That would be fair!
Ironic that two left handers batting out of the rough have saved this game. The dodgy bounce came from the Anderson end to right handers.
I also hope it has cleared up the spin bowling conundrum. We do not possess a World class spinner. Bashir has promise though a lot of work in progress. Rehan Ahmed has something about him and should go to Australia as an option but his younger brother may be the one to watch!
Ironic that two left handers batting out of the rough have saved this game. The dodgy bounce came from the Anderson end to right handers.
I also hope it has cleared up the spin bowling conundrum. We do not possess a World class spinner. Bashir has promise though a lot of work in progress. Rehan Ahmed has something about him and should go to Australia as an option but his younger brother may be the one to watch!
He does look pretty good tbf.
India missed a trick not playing Kuldeep. He must play at the Oval as must Bumrah who would have been resting today and most of yesterday.
India missed a trick not playing Kuldeep. He must play at the Oval as must Bumrah who would have been resting today and most of yesterday.
used to turn a lot more at OT..only been the odd ball that's gripped really..
you think of Jadeja in India and he wasn't really a factor here even on day 4..
you think of Jadeja in India and he wasn't really a factor here even on day 4..
Exactly why I thought the criticism of Bashir was unfair
I’d say Leach is our best spinner
I’d say Leach is our best spinner
yep, I'd have Leach every game tbh (bar absolute green tops, though Somerset proved even they can turn).. Bashir is a decent ish option and hopefully learning at an accelerated rate with the experience he's had..
C’mon
They deserve the chance to complete their hundreds
They deserve the chance to complete their hundreds
both deserve a ton tbf - much as I detest personal landmark obsessions...
Not being funny but why shouldn’t they get their hundreds.
Then India should declare!
Then India should declare!
Infact if I were Gill I would get all my team in kit warming up on the boundary!
I guess Stokes isn’t in the entertainment business anymore!
these boys deserve it and Stokes is being petulant not to his credit imo..
Really poor from England and Stokes.
If I were Gill I would keep them out there for all the 15 overs and get Pant padded up
If I were Gill I would keep them out there for all the 15 overs and get Pant padded up
that might be a step too far for me...just let washy get his ton..he's earned it..
ffs what have i just watched
Stokes said to Jadeja: "you want to get a Test hundred against Harry Brook?" during that previous exchange. It all began when Stokes went to shake Jadeja's hand at the start of the last hour and Jadeja did not want to ...
Stokes said to Jadeja: "you want to get a Test hundred against Harry Brook?" during that previous exchange. It all began when Stokes went to shake Jadeja's hand at the start of the last hour and Jadeja did not want to ...
first test ton and maybe only - who knows...very well deserved.
"******* hell Washy, get on with it! Get on with it mate!" - Broo
Why we love the sport and it's unpredictability .......
2 wickets in the first over
2 wickets in the next 142 overs
2 wickets in the first over
2 wickets in the next 142 overs
Crazy
It was great entertainment
Stokes is a poor sport for that.
It was great entertainment
Stokes is a poor sport for that.
Great effort by India to get the draw, especially losing those two wickets before lunch.
And i concur with others that some of the England players were churlish in their comments directed at the two centurions towards the end, they should have been more gracious as i'm sure if two English batsmen were in the same position they would certainly have wanted to get their tons !
The fact is that England's attack lacked any real threat, even allowing for a docile wicket. Oh for a real old fashioned spinner. I blame one day cricket again.
And i concur with others that some of the England players were churlish in their comments directed at the two centurions towards the end, they should have been more gracious as i'm sure if two English batsmen were in the same position they would certainly have wanted to get their tons !
The fact is that England's attack lacked any real threat, even allowing for a docile wicket. Oh for a real old fashioned spinner. I blame one day cricket again.
TYPICAL BULLY BOY STOKES, WHY DIDNT HE DECLARE BEFORE HIS 100 IN THE 1ST INNINGS, , THEY HAD ENOUGH RUNS ON THE BOARD
Look I think Stokes is a gruff character. Someone was feeling tired. If anything it has given India something to grab hold of. England are in bits.
Archer had a side strain and was nowhere near top pace which is the point of difference. Everyone is tired. Tbh Stokes and plenty of other England players like Duckett have shot themselves in the foot over this.
For us boys…time to move on. Opportunities abound.
The market has got this wrong again. Engerland look shot to buggery imho. Not saying India are in too much a better situation but they are in a better head space and have a clear and defined aim to win the series.
Archer had a side strain and was nowhere near top pace which is the point of difference. Everyone is tired. Tbh Stokes and plenty of other England players like Duckett have shot themselves in the foot over this.
For us boys…time to move on. Opportunities abound.
The market has got this wrong again. Engerland look shot to buggery imho. Not saying India are in too much a better situation but they are in a better head space and have a clear and defined aim to win the series.
IVE GOT A NICE STARTING POINT FOR THIS TEST 40/1 SERIES SCORE 2-1, DID THIS JUST AFTER 3 TEST
Nice1 Elis , can see how you grabbed 40/1 then as two draws would multiply somewhere near but short of that price back then but now with hindsight and the proof that England do occasionally do draws the 5th test draw prospects look completely different with England needing at least that for the series.
Good luck mate , hope you get a great trade out of it but that said you've got one already if you wanted it
Good luck mate , hope you get a great trade out of it but that said you've got one already if you wanted it
Jamie Overton has been called in to the squad for the final test match, doubt that will strike fear in to the Indian batsmen, decent player though he is.
There hasn't been a test match draw at The Oval since 2013, some rain in the forecast for several of the days although not too heavy.
Whoever wins the toss will surely bat first.
There hasn't been a test match draw at The Oval since 2013, some rain in the forecast for several of the days although not too heavy.
Whoever wins the toss will surely bat first.
Stokes continued moaning about the Indians batting on in his post match interviews, "i don't think it would have made much difference walking off with 100 not out rather than 80 or 90 not out" he said.
Is he for real ? It was Washington's first ever test match century, of course it matters !!
Is he for real ? It was Washington's first ever test match century, of course it matters !!
He's not covered himself with glory with all those comments during and post match , can't believe he doesn't regret saying them as they're so ridiculous.
Wouldn't be totally surprised if he found a way of clumsily retracting them over the next few days when he's rid himself of the frustration of not winning and fully digests the contents of what he said.
Wouldn't be totally surprised if he found a way of clumsily retracting them over the next few days when he's rid himself of the frustration of not winning and fully digests the contents of what he said.
think washington will need ear plugs when he walks out to bat at the oval 
thx, Hayden, yes the draw prices really varies , one firm went 50/1. fred went 40s , corals 22 and hills 33 , there wasnt anything like that on here , but at the off 4 th test draw was around 4/1 ( cant remember precicly) and it down to around 7/2 , but again draw prices could be in the double figures as well ,
dont suppose someonse could quote me the best price or thereabouts on the draws in the 4 test already played , thx , .
ps showers, predicted for thurs/fri sun this week in london on bb cweather, but promised that every day in manchester
England conceded most runs in a series since 1920s.
India must be great batters,even their spinners get 100 each,
Jofra,I once hit Steve smith archer.
Ben ,I’m carrying a injury stokes
Dawson taking slow bowling to a new level,why spin it when you can just concentrate on bowling slowly
Root ,I’m the leading run scorer in cricket. And englands best bowler.
Carse,I once bowled a ball that nearly hit the wickets,when I was 10 years old.
The Aussies stand no chance against this attack.having agreed to make matches last a month ,so England can get 10 wickets.
India’s top 5 batsmen all looked comfortable at the crease,then 6 and 7 get 100.
Impossible for England to win at the oval.
Fast bowlers set up the win,a spinner gets the win.
England have neither.
India must be great batters,even their spinners get 100 each,
Jofra,I once hit Steve smith archer.
Ben ,I’m carrying a injury stokes
Dawson taking slow bowling to a new level,why spin it when you can just concentrate on bowling slowly
Root ,I’m the leading run scorer in cricket. And englands best bowler.
Carse,I once bowled a ball that nearly hit the wickets,when I was 10 years old.
The Aussies stand no chance against this attack.having agreed to make matches last a month ,so England can get 10 wickets.
India’s top 5 batsmen all looked comfortable at the crease,then 6 and 7 get 100.
Impossible for England to win at the oval.
Fast bowlers set up the win,a spinner gets the win.
England have neither.
4/1 the draw everywhere with bookies for 4th test but don't know exchange at 11am opening day , suspect maybe 5.4 or 5.6
Bad weather maybe a draw,
India can’t bowl,but. They ll have 2 good spinners under bowled this test,that will win them the game,plus their 4 th bowler was useless so he’ll be dropped.
They aren’t great but slightly better than England for fast bowlers,plus their spinners look good,on the oval. bat last. Should win.
England need to try new blood.charlie barnard is a great young spinner.
But they want to pick the most famous players,to sell tickets then hence more beer.theyre not interested in the sport,its just about maxing out revenue.
India can’t bowl,but. They ll have 2 good spinners under bowled this test,that will win them the game,plus their 4 th bowler was useless so he’ll be dropped.
They aren’t great but slightly better than England for fast bowlers,plus their spinners look good,on the oval. bat last. Should win.
England need to try new blood.charlie barnard is a great young spinner.
But they want to pick the most famous players,to sell tickets then hence more beer.theyre not interested in the sport,its just about maxing out revenue.
No draw price has crashed!
I was trying to lay England close to evens, which, is still the bet here but also back the draw at 4/1
If India bat first I cannot see an England win and will England doctor the pitch for a draw?
The caveat of course…. Is where there’s rain there’s cloud
!
I was trying to lay England close to evens, which, is still the bet here but also back the draw at 4/1
If India bat first I cannot see an England win and will England doctor the pitch for a draw?
The caveat of course…. Is where there’s rain there’s cloud
!
I'd contest England can't possibly win at the Oval cuth simply because although there was nil chance of any sort of challenging declaration at Old Trafford i'd say there will be every chance of a tempting declaration at the Oval if India get the chance as they have to win the game and would rather lose 3-1 fighting than a damp squib at 2-1 , that's why i'll be leaving any draw trade unless there's a chance of laying a very low draw on say day 4 if it presents itself.
Good luck whatever you play and kudos for the last test as you did predict the draw
Good luck whatever you play and kudos for the last test as you did predict the draw
For sure WD and nice to see that test 5 is as fascinating as the other 4 have been , great series in my mind
Yeah. Kneweverything ,can’t bet it.
Highest Indian batter 2nd by 3 runs.
Backed draw after 3 days 6/1. Then changed mind and traded out.
But fascinating interest,so you pay for entertainment.
Highest Indian batter 2nd by 3 runs.
Backed draw after 3 days 6/1. Then changed mind and traded out.
But fascinating interest,so you pay for entertainment.
Hi Hayden,
Not sure I predicted the draw. Backed India first up then layed England down to 1.21 in the hope of cutting losses. Then backed draw.
I would say I was lucky / unlucky.
Had a huge draw green but the 0-2 screwed me into greening out instead of letting it ride as I normally would have done. Plus Pant injury and I was scared about an India collapse and did not want to risk a large loss, Quite rightly. I gave up 75% of draw green to green out. It was the right thing to do but leaves a bitter taste as I have said before I am a gambler not a banker. I spend a pound to make a hundred not the other way round. That is why I am poor!
Not sure I predicted the draw. Backed India first up then layed England down to 1.21 in the hope of cutting losses. Then backed draw.
I would say I was lucky / unlucky.
Had a huge draw green but the 0-2 screwed me into greening out instead of letting it ride as I normally would have done. Plus Pant injury and I was scared about an India collapse and did not want to risk a large loss, Quite rightly. I gave up 75% of draw green to green out. It was the right thing to do but leaves a bitter taste as I have said before I am a gambler not a banker. I spend a pound to make a hundred not the other way round. That is why I am poor!
Hi Hayden,
Not sure I predicted the draw. Backed India first up then layed England down to 1.21 in the hope of cutting losses. Then backed draw.
I would say I was lucky / unlucky.
Had a huge draw green but the 0-2 screwed me into greening out instead of letting it ride as I normally would have done. Plus Pant injury and I was scared about an India collapse and did not want to risk a large loss, Quite rightly. I gave up 75% of draw green to green out. It was the right thing to do but leaves a bitter taste as I have said before I am a gambler not a banker. I spend a pound to make a hundred not the other way round. That is why I am poor!
Not sure I predicted the draw. Backed India first up then layed England down to 1.21 in the hope of cutting losses. Then backed draw.
I would say I was lucky / unlucky.
Had a huge draw green but the 0-2 screwed me into greening out instead of letting it ride as I normally would have done. Plus Pant injury and I was scared about an India collapse and did not want to risk a large loss, Quite rightly. I gave up 75% of draw green to green out. It was the right thing to do but leaves a bitter taste as I have said before I am a gambler not a banker. I spend a pound to make a hundred not the other way round. That is why I am poor!
Sorry my bad grammar WD meant for comingupthehill but used cuth for short , did seem to remember him stating that it would be a draw.
Indeed he certainly got that right!
I did not see it that clearly tbh specially with Stokes bowling to the right handers from the Anderson End with the uneven bounce. 3 left handers to bat out of the rough except Dawson bowled on the straight!
I am starting to feel a little bitter and twisted. I really did not get that the pitch was that flat and perhaps I should have if Creepy could score runs on it.
I feel more resentful now as I missed out on laying England close to evens for this match and backing the draw at 5.
The weather might ruin this as a spectacle but at least we should enjoy the barbs being flung by the players.
I need to let this go. Jadeja could have been caught first ball! In hindsight the pitch was flat. Only commingupthehill had this foresight.
I did not see it that clearly tbh specially with Stokes bowling to the right handers from the Anderson End with the uneven bounce. 3 left handers to bat out of the rough except Dawson bowled on the straight!
I am starting to feel a little bitter and twisted. I really did not get that the pitch was that flat and perhaps I should have if Creepy could score runs on it.
I feel more resentful now as I missed out on laying England close to evens for this match and backing the draw at 5.
The weather might ruin this as a spectacle but at least we should enjoy the barbs being flung by the players.
I need to let this go. Jadeja could have been caught first ball! In hindsight the pitch was flat. Only commingupthehill had this foresight.
my word , draw 3.25 this morning , i will have ton lay at that price
The Oval drains well so do not want to get involved right now.
I missed the boat here so better not to over compensate.
Had a good thing going but it is over now so I better get over it.
Bring on The Ashes
Still in fact even more bitter and twisted. Coulda, woulda,shoulda, such an easy call to make yesterday and prevaricated. Walk on by!
I missed the boat here so better not to over compensate.
Had a good thing going but it is over now so I better get over it.
Bring on The Ashes
Still in fact even more bitter and twisted. Coulda, woulda,shoulda, such an easy call to make yesterday and prevaricated. Walk on by!
The Oval drains well so do not want to get involved right now.
I missed the boat here so better not to over compensate.
Had a good thing going but it is over now so I better get over it.
Bring on The Ashes
Still in fact even more bitter and twisted. Coulda, woulda,shoulda, such an easy call to make yesterday and prevaricated. Walk on by!
I missed the boat here so better not to over compensate.
Had a good thing going but it is over now so I better get over it.
Bring on The Ashes
Still in fact even more bitter and twisted. Coulda, woulda,shoulda, such an easy call to make yesterday and prevaricated. Walk on by!
That's the thing with us traders WD never any regrets as it's what we do and you have to remember the reason for placing the bet initially is to trade , it's like using horse racing as a comparison in that somebody asking me for a good trade in the next race and someone else asking me which horse will win the race i'd be 95%+ to be picking two different horses , same with Cricket looking at how the first 2 or 3 days may pan out without giving too much thought to the eventual outcome.
One of my syndicate guys still doesn't get why i trade out tennis & cricket low lays i get below 1.29 when they hit 2.0 or thereabouts but as i'd never get involved backing an each of two selection the strategy of not bailing out at 2.0 in that scenario would be doing exactly that , my reason for low odds lays criteria is mostly due to the unpredictability of sport whereas backing an opinion like picking a 2.0 in a 2 way outcome involves too much personal opinion which is what gets 98% of punter historically in the red , to a large degree i've always preferred to let the numbers and strategical approach pick the selections for me rather than have too much of a personal opinion and certainly stay well away from form study and all that " it happened last week so why won't it happen again " thinking which i believe is the punters biggest downfall.
Looking for a trade as opposed to an eventual winner are chalk vs cheese in any sport that's for sure.
Apologies for the ramble but get carried away sometimes and start to digress somewhat.
One of my syndicate guys still doesn't get why i trade out tennis & cricket low lays i get below 1.29 when they hit 2.0 or thereabouts but as i'd never get involved backing an each of two selection the strategy of not bailing out at 2.0 in that scenario would be doing exactly that , my reason for low odds lays criteria is mostly due to the unpredictability of sport whereas backing an opinion like picking a 2.0 in a 2 way outcome involves too much personal opinion which is what gets 98% of punter historically in the red , to a large degree i've always preferred to let the numbers and strategical approach pick the selections for me rather than have too much of a personal opinion and certainly stay well away from form study and all that " it happened last week so why won't it happen again " thinking which i believe is the punters biggest downfall.
Looking for a trade as opposed to an eventual winner are chalk vs cheese in any sport that's for sure.
Apologies for the ramble but get carried away sometimes and start to digress somewhat.
Knowledge is power Hayden.
I like to hear people’s views and opinions.
I am not really bitter and twisted but I am up a few quid!
I will take what was given and walk away.
I like to hear people’s views and opinions.
I am not really bitter and twisted but I am up a few quid!
I will take what was given and walk away.
showers, hail, lightning in the s east tomorrow, re itv weather now
Do you really want to hurt me
Do you really want to make me cry!
Do you really want to make me cry!
Rehan Ahmed scored his 5th century of the summer so I would imagine he has booked his place on the plane for Aus and the toothlessness of Dawson looks to have secured the other spinners birth for Bashir.
Draw lay now 2.78
I like to learn something knew every day as it keeps the brain ticking over , can't believe the learning pointer today is that WD is a Boy George fan
I like to learn something knew every day as it keeps the brain ticking over , can't believe the learning pointer today is that WD is a Boy George fan
Coulda,woulda, shoulda I wanted 5.1 and to lay England at 2.02
Game shot before the kick off!
Haunted by the spectre of too late!
Most important not to overcompensate and lose even a single penny. I’m out!
Game shot before the kick off!
Haunted by the spectre of too late!
Most important not to overcompensate and lose even a single penny. I’m out!
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