Pakistan England Test Series

Would you Adam and Eve it!

Even Roof gets a wicket!

Strong move at 3s, WD.

I was thinking it but no nerve to pull the trigger.

Root had 2!

Yeah just seemed the market had this wrong. They do from time to time and normally I jump on it but I have been a little more focussed on the football as betting in cricket in Pakistan has inherent issues with pitches, gambling and match fixing!

Tbf I have been a little lucky with mg timing today and also small bets for me. Should really have jumped on the price it was 3.5 when I first considered it.

258/3 to 169/8

Timing is everything but luck is more important

158/3

3 for Root

Unbelievable scenes Geoff!

Was unbelievable! Wood not Root!

Very happy with a 79 run lead.

Superb morning from England (especially if you've nibbled England at 3s!).

Tad frustrating but I got a couple of tickles above and below evens so I shouldn't complain.

Where do you operate on football, WD?

My ways aren't suited to it - and not touched it in anger since Greece royally rinsed me back in 2004!

I am better st cricket tbh apt

I tend to go with hunches and form and teams on my radar. Probably too wide a market.

Cricket is a smaller vista with a lot more information. Muscle memory, weather, wear and tear also comes into it. I also like the fact the market often gets it wrong and I can often tell when this happens

I just love watching cricket

Ts there is an Ishan Kushan spectacular on Sky 422

Kishan should have opened in the recent T20 instead of Rohit who is yesterday’s man imho and J am the biggest Fan of the Exceptionally Talented Rohit Sharma!

Ishan is 158 no off 106 and is only playing because Rohit is sick or injured!

Ts there is an Ishan Kushan spectacular on Sky 422

Kishan should have opened in the recent T20 instead of Rohit who is yesterday’s man imho and J am the biggest Fan of the Exceptionally Talented Rohit Sharma!

Ishan is 158 no off 106 and is only playing because Rohit is sick or injured!

Yikes, he could just about get a triple

Crazy batting! Commentators said it was a slow pitch!

264 is Rohit’s India record. Somebody has got 277, which, also looks under threat!

Back to tgd real World coulda, shoulda reduced red around the 1.3’s

Here we go 200 off 126!

That is 290 by himself off 21 overs!

Gawn 210

Fastest double though!

Topped up this morning at 1.6, 1.75, 1.85 and 2

Pakistan at one point just before lunch were odds on of close I think but certainly favourites in the betting if not odds on.

To see Rizwan and Babar go in the space of a few balls is well astonishing.

Big crowd building g up in the expectation of a Pakistan victory. 64-0 at lunch.

Crazy prices today!

They were indeed odds on, tickled 1.94 momentarily.

Special delivery from Robinson, and almost did the same again ten minutes later.

Hope you laid some off to go in again with another drift...

Three identical dismissals. Nuts.

And I borrowed a dollop of that fortunate timing at last

Decided Pakistan could go nowhere fast so had a bite of England when they hit that first boundary in yonks.

Absolute madness England went back up to 1.46 prior to third wicket.

Glad you got some easy money too apt!

I tend not to trade on swings. Should have at 1.19 but my ego and arrogance leave me backing my initial judgement.

Timing is everything but not my style.

Not betting on it but another entertaining game which is not over yet.

Flip.

I have recently got the time and facilities to watch this test series, its a goodun but what really strikes me is the quality of the commentary and summarising when compared to the football coverage, insightful, pretty much not partisan  and some nice anecdotes during any lull in play, its a real shame that this cant be enjoyed on terrestrial TV.


Comment re Stokes as a captain, I feared he would be a Bothamesqe disaster but he looks like the real deal, always thinking and no shortage of  plan , I havent seen him when England have been under the cosh but the signs are good.

Damn! I thought it had missed the pad and they thought there was a noise

Unless I've missed something, seems loopy for Pakistan to bump their batter down from six to eight, purely to keep left-handers at the crease (and, I guess, nullify Leach).

Baffled.

Big odds change for that catch.

He was holding the innings together. If he stayed Pakistan win. They still might but there are a couple of rabbits in the hutch. 65 odd to get. Doesn’t sound much and at the same time may be huge. Still tough tk call this. England did themselves no favours losing the last 5 for 19 yesterday

Abrar could have a sensational debut here if he carries this home

Dec 12, 2022 -- 7:43AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

Abrar could have a sensational debut here if he carries this home

Just what I'd thought.

Very tough to get these runs but who knows

Well you never know but specially in Pakistan!

England should win from here, famous last…..!

This is a crazy game!

To be this close to winning two Tests in two weeks in Pakistan - having managed two previously in the entire history of the game - tells you everything you need to know about Ben Stokes as captain.

And this England team. They're over-flowing with self-belief & confidence - so powerful.

Incessant collapses, not to mention 30/3 every innings, have been replaced by frightening batting.

Aside from Sibley being jettisoned, it's almost the same seven, too. Remarkable.

Something special.

Incredible but do not get carried away. We nearly blew this and had to fight incredibly hard to force a victory. They did not have their best fast bowlers.

Great win though regardless. Pakistan is a tough place to win

This team is nuts

I don’t think we’ve ever such a bonkers approach that gets results in such a way

The football team needs a similar approach mentality wise

8 from 9, following immediately after 1 from 17.

Revolutionised. Regardless of results (variance happens), I think we can get carried away. We have a team of winners, now.

Quite extraordinary to keep winning even when things look difficult. To win a test in Pakistan in 3 days plus a session and a bit can't have happened often. Sobering to read that in another part of Pakistan, many people have been killed in an attack by the Taliban. Brave decision to even be playing there.

We obliterated India and NZ at home.

SA brought the best bowling attack and we took the series win.

Won't work in Pakistan...

Also great to see so many new names making an impact. Brook is a revelation as is Abrar with 11 wickets in his first ever test. Only Jacks failed to take a wicket out of the England bowlers and in this game, Stokes didn't even bowl at all! The 3 England fast bowlers were quite outstanding again. The key to the team is of course the captain's strategy and also their ability to rotate the batting and bowling to suit the conditions.

Out of interest, how low did Pakistan get?  (presumably at 290/5)

I think England went close to or above 4. My highest back was 3.6 and it did not look good until just before lunch and even then Pakistan rallied.

Fair play tk both teams bug what a leader Stokes is tk get the best out if his players and to trust them in a way Football managers in general and Southgate in particular just don’t understand or allow. Tika take, two banks of 4, low blocks etc are making football dull and metronomic. What s breath of fresh air from Stokes, Baz and not forgetting Rob Key!

Also great that our game brings people together

TVM, WD!

how good is harry brook ? remarkable stuff in his 2nd and 3rd tests

Brook was very good in the 20/20 as well. Exceptional player.

Good to see these boys get their chance!

Exciting times but we need younger fast bowlers soon and a World Class spinner now.

An example of one of the Stokes/McCullum influences that is close to negligible but when summed...

Abandoning the slips here after six overs.

Not just keeping a couple, as rote, because it's the morning of a Test - and for no other reason.

There won't be an edge; if there is, it likely won't carry; why are they there? Because that is what you do.

We don't. That's consigned to history.

He puts the men where he believes most likely to receive the ball.

Sounds like nothing (especially as I write it), but I think it's everything.

Possibly the most banal aspect of the 'revolution', but also probably right up there in importance.

All about intent. And playing to win.

Difference here, even were we to have lost seven on this deck - we'd have 400 by now...

Did not keep an eye on this a I had a shilling on India at 1.46 which for me is not a price I usually punt in but it went well from the moment J put my money down which was when Kuldeep and Ashwin were starting.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting Karachi. Slow spin. England need to get a decent lead or face defeat. Can the pitch die? Draw over 20 already!

Basit and Waqar seemed united that this pitch would get trickier to bat on, in contrast to 'Pindi.

We shall see.

A couple skidded a touch yesterday from Wood, too. (Which could be early dying or breaking up, I'm shooting in the dark )

Well, well.

Super first hour for England has flipped in two deliveries.

We have England under it a touch for the first time in the series...

Was going to back Pakistan around 1.86 breaking my rules of never backing Pakistan and never bet in Pakistan despite backing England last Test, which, I layed off.

Pakistan seem a very good price.

Kwality!

Tbf to me I would only have had a small bet but to make 40 points in less than an over is incredible!

Well it would have been but I am out!

Babar's gonna keep these two on until Christmas Day.

I suspect they're scared that Brook will go 'carnage' if they bring on a part-timer but this last half hour has been a tad loopy...

They had us right under it.

That said, Brook makes it look sooooo easy. 23 years old.

Pope, Root, Brook, Bairstow.

Gone from no batters to that middle order in six months

With Stokes wherever you want him

Nelson!

If I bet on this match I would put myself in my Christmas Deadpool frame

I want to back both Pakistan at 2.26 and England at evens!

I am not betting

I am not betting

I am not betting

Stupid from Rehan

2.26 on Pakistan looks huaoge

Odds on now!

I hope Ahmed’s dad gives him a slap

That was a schoolboy shot…….even if Ahmed is young enough to be a schoolboy

get you eye in lad. Baz Ball is a myth. Play cricket!

Foakes again showing the way.

England still not out if this if they can get reverse going early

My gut says back the team not betting last even if if Pakistan?

I think Pakistan win this but they will at some stage look like they are losing

I am not betting!

Wow a red Kite can see a squirrel at 2km

Well I never

This is crazy. The odds are now on Engerland and they are still 30 behind batting last against Pakistan in their natural habitat

I am not betting

Pakistan do look juicy at 2.24 here

Useful runs now, very good recovery from 145/5...

Yes. England were about 3’s then and I was tempted.

Still do not have a Scooby about how this game pans out. Just going to enjoy it!

How do you fit Bstard into this team?

Or livingstone

I would give JB the gloves, and accept a possible drop-off.

He's not expected to bat 250 deliveries, more likely 85 for a ton. Doable as wickie.

Livingstone carrying drinks

In for Rehan if/when Stokes can bowl quota and second spinner handy but not mandatory?

I don't think he's required if we're batting down to Bairstow at 7.

don't think you can be burdening bairstow with the gloves straight after returning from a serious leg break

must be a case for Butler's return in this environment...was always crippled in approach by falling between two stools of playing his natural game or the perceived playing properly ...won't be a problem now..though may be best off sticking to white ball on physical demands I guess and his keeping wasn't always great but feels bizarre really that he's not keeper batsman in this style of side..

If he was keen, couldn't agree more on Buttler. I'm his biggest fan.

With white ball and history, I suspect that ship has probably sailed. I think he'd have been in as soon as Stokes took over, if he were going to join the party.

How on earth do we suddenly have an embarrassment of riches? Such that we're struggling to find out how Bairstow gets in

I should be trying to scalp but instead I'll try to find an 'everyone fit' XI for Ashes opener...

Crawley
Duckett
Pope
Root
Brook
Stokes
Bairstow (wk)
Robinson
Archer
Leach
Anderson

Wood for Leach?

Be a big help if JB opened as well as he does in T20 as Crawley might struggle and we could have a keeper. Duckett's county numbers mean I'd like to give him a summer.

Might even need to find a place for an eighteen year old

1.08 to make history and be the first side to win three Tests in a series in Pakistan.

I am glad I stayed out of this!

First inkling was England at 3’s but the more the game moved on I was more convinced Pakistan should have won with England batting   Last. Nearly backed Pakistan at 2.24 but had lingering doubts about them and the wicket.

I just do not know what to say about England…..30/3, 40/4 who are these imposters!

Mike Brearley was heralded as a great Captain but he had some of the best ever playing for him.

Stokes did not have a bunch of World Beaters or England GOATS

This should go down as the most amazing Captaincy certainly in my lifetime. Bitham’s Ashes was really about some amazing individuals who pulled together a series of “ miracles”. These players were mercurial.

What Stokes has done is almost inexplicable. The only caveat being the Pakistan fast bowlers who were missing like Shaheen Shah Afridi

Hats off to Stokes and his TEAM

if the summer was pretty spectacular this series has utterly ripped up the conventional rules about playing test cricket especially in pakistan where you generally get draws by the bucketload with flat tracks and short days

I think we need to see what happens with that. I think both India and Pakistan were shell shocked. Both have great attacks and I was disappointed with them.

I think they will get found out by hood bowlers and Australia in particular will  be kicking their lips as would SA over a series but what Stokes has done in the immortal words of Paul Merson……. is give his young charges unbelievable belief.

I am not stating I want this attitude defeated but as an aficionado of Test Cricket I want Test Cricket to bite it in the ar*se.

That’s not to say I want to see this brand of cricket defeated but tempered although if they can keep doing it one must be delighted and applaud

Credit where due.

Sorry India and New Zealand

I wouldn't have believed you could have the success they have already achieved with their approach....regardless of any future failings they've already won numerous games that they had no right to and especially with the points system the approach is entirely justified from here on in almost regardless of failures until it reaches any catastrophic point...

having just seen SA's effort at playing old school test cricket (and even some of the Australians -noteable that Head the only run scorer of note has been playing his own bazball in the last 12-18 months and having a lot of success)  I think it's also increasingly clear that many teams simply don't have the batsmen to succeed in challenging conditions these days so there is less to be lost by playing ultra aggressively.... and with the ball and in the field the increased belief of the bowlers and willingness to attack more has paid plenty of dividends to..

I think Whispering is wrong to hope the old style of test cricket bites back to give bazball or whatever you want to name it a kicking
I myself have always loved test cricket as it was but it was being devoured by limited overs cricket and T20 .. the way England are playing is giving it a lifeline and it is hoped other countries take up the challenge ... all sports change and whilst it might not be the cricket that aficionados might believe in it is giving test cricket a major boost .. test cricket definitely required help and this is a major step as too many other test nations were losing interest in the proper version of the game
Obviously the Aussies will test it to its limit in the Ashes because they have the bowlers to fight back but the Summer should be enthralling

Fair go geordie

It has been a breath of fresh air the but is Trst Cricket is now about India, England and Australia and money.

These countries are too greedy to spread the love of the game or the money.

I am not saying I haven’t enjoyed the show just I do not think it is sustainable and they will find a solution to derail it but long May it continue

think the 280 in 50 overs 1st innings of the last test was the best justification. days gone by they'd have poked around for half that number of runs in 50 overs

the approach just puts immense pressure on the opposition. the rate england score if you don't bowl them out in 2 sessions then probably 8 times out of 10 you'll be losing the game. 300-350 is gonna win a lot more than it loses

think the 280 in 50 overs 1st innings of the last test was the best justification. days gone by they'd have poked around for half that number of runs in 50 overs

This is the crux of everything, on the batting side of things.

A frankly unbelievable stat from this series, given who prevailed...

Pakistan batted for more than 207 overs longer than England. Two hundred and seven overs more than us! And they lost 3-0.

Even the chase in the fourth here by England - I can't remember but it was either the fourth or fifth highest chase ever by England anywhere in the sub-continent!

It was the breeziest breeze but head out with fear and survival on mind, on a turning deck, versus a mystery spinner who's just taken 11 wickets on debut, and we're skittled way short, after hours of prodding and poking. This has happened too many times to recall throughout my life.

All hail this mindset, there aren't the words to praise it enough. Remarkable.

It was not just the runs scored, but the number of players that contributed with both bat and ball. Don't forget they were all in sick beds 2 days before the first test, several had played in the 20/20 final (as had Pakistan to be fair) but the new names kept delivering. Brook was the star in the batting department, Leach together with the other slow bowlers did well as of course did Anderson. Stokes is content not to even bowl very often so he can concentrate on captaincy. Who would have thought we could achieve that much without him bowling? Jacks didn't really make any impact and Crawley is still disappointing as an opening batsman but there are plenty more young guns waiting for the chance.