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Bit of a break before the next match but thought I'd get the thread up early.

England slightly favoured in the odds but the reality is there's not much between these 2 teams.

Steve Smith likely to come back in for Australia

Jimmy Anderson has to prove his fitness, who does he replace if he is fit? Not sure myself.
There will be pressure on Woakes who has been underused so far by Root for reasons unknown.
The tail will look very long if no Woakes and the batting has been shaky enough as it is.

Broad has bowled well with 14 wickets at 25. Would be a tough call to drop him but Jimmy is the better bowler.

As for the batting I think they'll keep the same line up but swap Denly into opening and push Roy down the order.
They like Roy and as unimpressive as he's been I think they'll want to give him a go in the middle order.
Absolutely no point in Roy opening again, he's just not a test match opener.
Denly showed he has a decent technique and a bit of mettle.


As for Australia, I would be bringing Starc in for Pattinson.
Who does Smith replace? Paine has been hopeless with the bat so far and it would make sense to give Wade the gloves and bring Smith back in his place but it's hard to see them changing captain mid series.
Khawaja or Wade likely to make way for Smith.

Too early for weather report but everyone knows it always rains in Manchester
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Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 5:50 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 11:50AM, GRANTCKING wrote:


what happens if ur 9 wickets down and get hit on the head and have go off? u just lose?


Yeah

Report jollyswagman September 8, 2019 5:51 PM BST
sub batsman?
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 5:52 PM BST
"I can see the moon, Umpire"
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 5:52 PM BST
Would love a wicket off a no ball
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 5:52 PM BST
Walk all the way off and then walk back
Report elisjohn September 8, 2019 5:53 PM BST
vaughan just said we.ll get the full overs in
Report johnnythebull September 8, 2019 5:53 PM BST
if Eng save this they'll win the Ashes by default as the Aussies will commit collective hara-kiri on the OT pitch!
Report Injera September 8, 2019 5:54 PM BST
Great theatre.
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 5:54 PM BST
If we do we're facked

Need to kick up a stink about this light, its almost moon lit out there
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 5:54 PM BST
Overton should retire hurt, get broad in while he gets a rest then come back if a wicket falls
Report Libertine93 September 8, 2019 5:56 PM BST
I don’t think he’s get much of a rest. Broad is hopeless these days
Report VardonVoo. September 8, 2019 5:56 PM BST
Runner Recent Extreme Current Odds
Australia
Draw 75 3.75
Report johnnythebull September 8, 2019 5:56 PM BST
116 million on this
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 5:57 PM BST
How the fack isn't Manchester under a sheet of cloud?

Picked the right time to have its summer day didn't it
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 5:58 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 11:56AM, johnnythebull wrote:


116 million on this


wow!

Report elisjohn September 8, 2019 5:58 PM BST
yes 6.00 pm in manchester and the light getting betterSad
Report VardonVoo. September 8, 2019 5:58 PM BST
Oops - I'll try that again:-

Runner Recent Extreme Current Odds
Australia 1.01 1.37
Draw 75 3.65
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 5:59 PM BST
Haha you can see the anti-England brigade are lurking silently in this thread, waiting for the wicket
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 5:59 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 11:59AM, Hamlin wrote:


Haha you can see the anti-England brigade are lurking silently in this thread, waiting for the wicket


SS has been converted, he's pro England now!

Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 6:00 PM BST
Either way the aussies have been put through the ringer this series

They've put so much into this series bless em
Report elisjohn September 8, 2019 6:01 PM BST
eng  +3945
draw +1011
aus - 315
cash out +63
Report Libertine93 September 8, 2019 6:01 PM BST
16 overs is a lot of cricket. Australia are value at 1.4
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:01 PM BST
when does this last hour start
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:02 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:01PM, Libertine93 wrote:


16 overs is a lot of cricket. Australia are value at 1.4


1.44 and agree, people betting with their hearts not their heads

Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:02 PM BST
1.5 is outrageous.
Report johnnythebull September 8, 2019 6:02 PM BST
fantastic application from these 2..really p1ssing me off the contrast with the likes of that useless little c*nt Root
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:03 PM BST
thats assuming we get all 16 overs in
Report stokergoinup September 8, 2019 6:03 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:01PM, tomtimtum wrote:


when does this last hour start


when there's 15 overs left

Report Injera September 8, 2019 6:03 PM BST
16 overs left.

Impossible, shirley?
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:04 PM BST
SadSad
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:04 PM BST
fook
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:05 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:02PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


1.5 is outrageous.


Love

Report johnnythebull September 8, 2019 6:05 PM BST
scheisse
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:05 PM BST
Review it
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:06 PM BST
Awful shot, why did he play it?
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 6:06 PM BST
They gave it absolutely everything those pair so fair play to them

If only our batsman could have done the sodding same earlier on
Report Injera September 8, 2019 6:06 PM BST
What a pitch. Massive turn and bounce as it should.
Report Libertine93 September 8, 2019 6:07 PM BST
He’s a number 10 Angela. It’s the lads at the top of the order you need to be questioning. 2 down in the first over didn’t do their teammates any favours
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:08 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:07PM, Libertine93 wrote:


He’s a number 10 Angela. It’s the lads at the top of the order you need to be questioning. 2 down in the first over didn’t do their teammates any favours


Very true. He has been brilliant Overton.

Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:08 PM BST
Yeah, can't blame any of the bowlers. Root/Stokes/Burns failed
Report johnnythebull September 8, 2019 6:08 PM BST
pity it ain't 1.5 overs
Report VardonVoo. September 8, 2019 6:09 PM BST
I think Aus went from 1.01 all the way to 1.5 there, or very close.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:09 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:09PM, VardonVoo. wrote:


I think Aus went from 1.01 all the way to 1.5 there, or very close.


Yup, I got 1.48 Cool

Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:10 PM BST
*cough* after timer *cough*
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:10 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:02PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


1.5 is outrageous.


Nope.

Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:10 PM BST
Oh so comments are bets now?
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:11 PM BST
Ambiguous comments are always bets!
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:11 PM BST
I tend to bet outrageous prices, that is the point of betting Laugh
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:11 PM BST
lol
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 6:11 PM BST
Leach lasted an hour there so fair play
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:11 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:11PM, tomtimtum wrote:


Ambiguous comments are always bets!


Peckers no.1 rule!

Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:11 PM BST
Sure Angela, you just decided not to say it at first. And wouldn't of mentioned it if you'd lost. Its ok, we see you.
Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:12 PM BST
People love a risk free ego brag
Report Libertine93 September 8, 2019 6:12 PM BST
The market has consistently been generous to England’s batting lineup this last innings. 9.2 for a 15 over final wicket stand smh
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:12 PM BST
Completely incorrect Hamlin, but each to their own.
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:12 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:12PM, Libertine93 wrote:


The market has consistently been generous to England’s batting lineup this last innings. 9.2 for a 15 over final wicket stand smh


There are people speculating on there not being 15 overs of play left

Report Hamlin September 8, 2019 6:13 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:12PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


Completely incorrect Hamlin, but each to their own.


But if I quote it, it becomes fact.

Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:14 PM BST
how fast was the betfair suspend monkey there
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:15 PM BST
prize plum
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 6:16 PM BST
Havent won the series Warne you prize plum!
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:16 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:13PM, Hamlin wrote:


Sep  8, 2019 --  6:12PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:Completely incorrect Hamlin, but each to their own.But if I quote it, it becomes fact.


If it makes you happy.

Report VardonVoo. September 8, 2019 6:16 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:14PM, tomtimtum wrote:


how fast was the betfair suspend monkey there


Yeah that was still during the review even allowing for a radio delay. Well out of order.

Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:16 PM BST
Very nice end that, market got punished there.
Report johnnythebull September 8, 2019 6:17 PM BST
WD joe root
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 6:19 PM BST
Well played Aussies

It was coming for some time, hopefully we make the changes now and improve as a result
Report Injera September 8, 2019 6:19 PM BST
England can't bat. You need 700 runs per match at least.

Bayliss - unaccountable but well paid.
Thorpe - unaccountable but easy money.
Root - he'll take the positives...
Report Libertine93 September 8, 2019 6:19 PM BST
Embarrassing losing to this lot on home soil. They’ve got two batsmen
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 6:20 PM BST
Bayliss gone and Root removed as captain the first acts after this series
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:20 PM BST
Smith is some batsman, that's the problem.
Report k sera sera September 8, 2019 6:20 PM BST
What a joke this England team is. Nothing more than a one man team. If it hadn't been for Ben Stokes they wouldn't have lasted this far
Report cricketnut2 September 8, 2019 6:20 PM BST
Well you can't say that the better side haven't won the Ashes, as they have outplayed us, in every game, despite Ben Stokes brilliant knock. Yes Steve Smith is the person thats won it for them, without him the games would have been very close. They have outbatted us, outbowled us and outfielded us.
Report Libertine93 September 8, 2019 6:21 PM BST
Root will do well to find positives here. Scrappy batting on day 5 from some but ultimately we’ll short of salvaging the draw. Had no answer for Steve Smith who essentially beat us single handedly
Report Angela Rebecchi September 8, 2019 6:22 PM BST
We have been very poor. The Aussies haven't been superb, but Smith has been on another planet, it's two over rated teams but one is starting with a 1-2 goal lead.
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 6:23 PM BST
Can't find positives

Worst Aussie touring side in a long time, even the sides we beat from 2009-2015 were better than this lot
Report elisjohn September 8, 2019 6:25 PM BST
usually tms quicker than betfair
Report VardonVoo. September 8, 2019 6:27 PM BST
Afghans have drifted out to 1.21 from 1.14 at close, to take the remaining four Bangers wickets
in however many overs the weather allows them. The draw graph has spiked above 50 and back below 6s twice!
Report jucel69 September 8, 2019 6:38 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 12:19PM, Injera wrote:


England can't bat. You need 700 runs per match at least.Bayliss - unaccountable but well paid.Thorpe - unaccountable but easy money.Root - he'll take the positives...


Our batting has been shocking for a long time but in this test Aus bowled us out.
Almost all of our 20 wickets were out to defensive shots.
There has definitely been more application since we were all out for 60 odd.

Report Injera September 8, 2019 6:41 PM BST
What a disgraceful interview by Root. No grace, no awareness, no honesty. True to form he says 'I'm proud of the boys'. Why, you lost.

Your team has been out played and yet your blind to it. Therefore the failings will continue.
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 6:42 PM BST
Needs to be removed as captain
Report geordie1956 September 8, 2019 6:51 PM BST
As usual we will have debates about the inadequacies of the County System; the fact there is too much white ball cricket; T20 stuff; tour schedules etc
Too many of out batsmwn are not good enough at test match level but what else do we have - Bayliss is leaving to be replaced by?
Short term - Root should lose the captaincy and give a couple of young lads an opportunity at The Oval and the short tour to New Zealand
Long term - your guess is as good as mine as we seem to have tried most things - Academies in Oz etc 
perhaps its as simple as waiting for a couple of decent players to suddenly announce themselves from nowhere which does occasionally happen
at the moment we have a dearth of batsmen - as for bowlers Anderson will be gone; Broad not getting younger & excepting Archer we will likely struggle for a time
Report Whisperingdeath September 8, 2019 7:19 PM BST
Aussie might have had a better bowlin* attack but the difference was Smith

Our selections were poor to start with. How often were we 30 odd for 3.

They suffered too tibf but we did not have batsmen with application

Questions for me over

Roy
Denly
Bstard
Butler

In

Foakes
Pope

Considerations

Crawley
Sibley

Apologies to Curran
Why did he not get a game?
Report detraveller September 8, 2019 7:28 PM BST
Couldn't post for a week. Lost on the game.

Is this the worst aussie batting lineup to have defended the ashes in England? Minus Smith of course.
Report Richie_Burnett September 8, 2019 7:30 PM BST

Laugh
Report sewter lives again September 8, 2019 9:29 PM BST
Just saying and in no particular order.......

unbelievably bad, bone-headed and stubborn selection
totally inept, absolutely clueless Captain and white ball specialist retiring coach
white ball batsmen playing red ball cricket like it's a 50 over game
not playing your best wicket keeper who has proved he can bat at Test level
too many Counties
too many Counties giving Aussies red ball practice this year
County batsmen no longer playing against top quality test bowlers in County cricket

and Steve Smith who, despite a bizarre technique, will go down as one of the all time greats
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 9:40 PM BST
Steve Smith was just lucky

All his runs came from thick outside edges
Report SontaranStratagem September 8, 2019 9:41 PM BST
And what's with that silly head band on his head?

The bloke doesn't even have long hair
Report elisjohn September 8, 2019 9:42 PM BST
warner wade head paine khaw, have hardly scored a run between them and yet they should be 3-0 up in this series.
Report elisjohn September 8, 2019 9:43 PM BST
sontaran stop picking on smith you bullyLaugh, i didnt pick on the girls today did i on tms
Report Try My Best September 8, 2019 10:40 PM BST
Whisperingdeath
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YOU CAN GO BACK TO LICKING WINDOWS NOW, BYE!!!!!!!!


Post of the day!

It's over, move on. Nothing to see here.

Roll on The Ashes and the humiliation of Convict Nation

Oh dear WD. Why is it you always get it wrong. Think Tescos have the best loan rates at the moment. Must be more skint than Terry Ramsden.

Anyway enough of the losers on here who haven't a clue about the great game. It's a time to rejoice another Ashes urn in the hands of the greatest cricketing nation on earth. Our quicks have been quite outstanding and deserve a great deal of credit. Marnus has been a revelation and Smithy just does what Smithy does. Quite unbelievable that they picked Rabbit Roy from the get go. A mistake of huge proportions. The second coming that was Archer pmsl. Could not believe the hype this one trick pony was getting.

The scary thing is what a hiding you are going to get next time down under. Hope you stick with weasel Root who is quite clearly not a Captain.

ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR
Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 10:41 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 1:28PM, detraveller wrote:


Couldn't post for a week. Lost on the game.Is this the worst aussie batting lineup to have defended the ashes in England? Minus Smith of course.


yes and by a long way!
However, Smith has been so good this series that he's effectively played the role of 3 or 4 batsmen!

Report tomtimtum September 8, 2019 10:50 PM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 4:40PM, Try My Best wrote:


WhisperingdeathWhisperingdeath 16 Jul 19 11:56 Joined: 25 Dec 11 | Topic/replies: 24,742 | Blogger: Whisperingdeath's blogYOU CAN GO BACK TO LICKING WINDOWS NOW, BYE!!!!!!!!Post of the day!It's over, move on. Nothing to see here.Roll on The Ashes and the humiliation of Convict NationOh dear WD. Why is it you always get it wrong. Think Tescos have the best loan rates at the moment. Must be more skint than Terry Ramsden. Anyway enough of the losers on here who haven't a clue about the great game. It's a time to rejoice another Ashes urn in the hands of the greatest cricketing nation on earth. Our quicks have been quite outstanding and deserve a great deal of credit. Marnus has been a revelation and Smithy just does what Smithy does. Quite unbelievable that they picked Rabbit Roy from the get go. A mistake of huge proportions. The second coming that was Archer pmsl. Could not believe the hype this one trick pony was getting.The scary thing is what a hiding you are going to get next time down under. Hope you stick with weasel Root who is quite clearly not a Captain.ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR


The Aussie quicks have been outstanding, completely agree with that.
Have really enjoyed watching Cummins and Hazlewood who are probably the best opening bowling combination I've seen.

If this current England team were to tour Australia it would be 5-0 or 4-0 if we could sneak a draw.

Report jucel69 September 8, 2019 11:59 PM BST
"Take Steve Smith out and we are very similar teams" Root

What fallacious and disingenuous tripe

Fùck off Root, you spinless weasel
Report jucel69 September 9, 2019 12:01 AM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 4:50PM, tomtimtum wrote:


Sep  8, 2019 -- 10:40PM, Try My Best wrote:WhisperingdeathWhisperingdeath 16 Jul 19 11:56 Joined: 25 Dec 11 | Topic/replies: 24,742 | Blogger: Whisperingdeath's blogYOU CAN GO BACK TO LICKING WINDOWS NOW, BYE!!!!!!!!Post of the day!It's over, move on. Nothing to see here.Roll on The Ashes and the humiliation of Convict NationOh dear WD. Why is it you always get it wrong. Think Tescos have the best loan rates at the moment. Must be more skint than Terry Ramsden. Anyway enough of the losers on here who haven't a clue about the great game. It's a time to rejoice another Ashes urn in the hands of the greatest cricketing nation on earth. Our quicks have been quite outstanding and deserve a great deal of credit. Marnus has been a revelation and Smithy just does what Smithy does. Quite unbelievable that they picked Rabbit Roy from the get go. A mistake of huge proportions. The second coming that was Archer pmsl. Could not believe the hype this one trick pony was getting.The scary thing is what a hiding you are going to get next time down under. Hope you stick with weasel Root who is quite clearly not a Captain.ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIRThe Aussie quicks have been outstanding, completely agree with that.Have really enjoyed watching Cummins and Hazlewood who are probably the best opening bowling combination I've seen.If this current England team were to tour Australia it would be 5-0 or 4-0 if we could sneak a draw.


The Injuns beat them though by playing percentage cricket with the bat
Pudjy & Kholi wore them down and that allowed the middle order to take advantage of tiring bowlers

Report SontaranStratagem September 9, 2019 12:17 AM BST
I think we'd see a different England once Root is offed as captain and Bayliss replaced with someone like Vaughan

Something needs to change before we tour Australia again because the last 2 have been absolutely pitiful and another 4-0 even 5-0 is on the cards if this stays the same

Roy, Denly, Bairstow, Buttler, Overton are just the names of the top of my head that would be gone for a start
Report SontaranStratagem September 9, 2019 12:20 AM BST
"the scary thing is Smith is only getting better"

I highly doubt that, he'll soon be on the decline rapidly and once you take him out that side Australia are awful batting wise

Cummins et al will be constantly defending sub 200 scores as the rest just do not score
Report tomtimtum September 9, 2019 12:45 AM BST

Sep 8, 2019 -- 6:01PM, jucel69 wrote:


Sep  8, 2019 -- 10:50PM, tomtimtum wrote:Sep  8, 2019 -- 10:40PM, Try My Best wrote:WhisperingdeathWhisperingdeath 16 Jul 19 11:56 Joined: 25 Dec 11 | Topic/replies: 24,742 | Blogger: Whisperingdeath's blogYOU CAN GO BACK TO LICKING WINDOWS NOW, BYE!!!!!!!!Post of the day!It's over, move on. Nothing to see here.Roll on The Ashes and the humiliation of Convict NationOh dear WD. Why is it you always get it wrong. Think Tescos have the best loan rates at the moment. Must be more skint than Terry Ramsden. Anyway enough of the losers on here who haven't a clue about the great game. It's a time to rejoice another Ashes urn in the hands of the greatest cricketing nation on earth. Our quicks have been quite outstanding and deserve a great deal of credit. Marnus has been a revelation and Smithy just does what Smithy does. Quite unbelievable that they picked Rabbit Roy from the get go. A mistake of huge proportions. The second coming that was Archer pmsl. Could not believe the hype this one trick pony was getting.The scary thing is what a hiding you are going to get next time down under. Hope you stick with weasel Root who is quite clearly not a Captain.ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIRThe Aussie quicks have been outstanding, completely agree with that.Have really enjoyed watching Cummins and Hazlewood who are probably the best opening bowling combination I've seen.If this current England team were to tour Australia it would be 5-0 or 4-0 if we could sneak a draw.The Injuns beat them though by playing percentage cricket with the batPudjy & Kholi wore them down and that allowed the middle order to take advantage of tiring bowlers


That was an Australian team without Smith and Warner tho

Report Richie_Burnett September 9, 2019 12:56 AM BST
SontaranStratagem seethingCryLaugh
Report mafeking September 9, 2019 1:03 AM BST
indeed extremely unlikely to continue to average 64 long term and however many scores in a row of 50 and above against england. only bradman has put up those sort of numbers for a prolonged spell
Report thelatarps September 9, 2019 9:26 AM BST
Couple of things.
Test cricket, it doesnt really matter any more does it?
The english and aussie players will pay lip service to the ashes but we all know their bread and butter is going to be white ball cricket.
Before this series 8 of the 9 last ashes series went to the home team, I believe.
Which suggests that in a long series of test matches the away team just get bored and cannot be bothered.

I should think the aussies at least made some preparation in selecting their squad. The bowling attack in particular but also replacing batsmen who were not getting the job done.
England clearly had no plan for the test series beyond expecting the aussie batting line up to fold in english conditions. In the face of a bowling attack led by two pensioners. The notion that Roy, Buttler and Bairstow are test match batsmen is laughable,

All in all its been quite enjoyable watching the aussies win.
England are probably back to where they were in the late 80s/early90s. ie In need of a major reboot. But the truth may well be that the standard of test cricket is so average around the world, does anyone really have the will to be @rsed?
Report roache September 9, 2019 10:27 PM BST
The problem for the last few years has been Englands batting and there is no sign of it improving as years ago for e.g. 2005 the top 6 were regular tried and trusted batters at test match level whereas now out of the top 6 there is only 2 possibly 3 positions nailed down being Root and Stokes and possibly Burns so thats 3 positions not nailed down with the continuous cycle of failed auditions for batting in the top 6 and the fact that we have failed to score 400 in the 1st innings for so long,we need proper test match batters that bat for time taking few risks and tiring the bowlers out to capitalise later with the runs not Roots idea of this is how we play attacking cricket.
Bairstow,Butler,Stokes and Roy are all attack minded batsman and having 4 in our line up is completely the wrong balance for the test side.
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