New Zealand vs England, 1st Test Day/Night

Cut my red by about a third on that spike. If it goes much higher I might cut some more and go over-red on the other side to the level I was earlier on this side.

Those who went to bed early will be kicking themselves.

#Desperately C. King Grant

Hothead Stokes has played a blinder...others are doing their best to get out, he is SOLID!

Jucel going to the beach has cost him....would have done great bsuiness on that post break move.

Hey - we forgot the Bond music for "The Draw Never Dies"

I’ve just spent about half an hour changing two nappies (baby faked me out with the first) and the draw was hovering around 4 all that time. Could neither work out why it was so low nor why it wasn’t falling with time and runs. It’s still 4 to lay!

Draw down to 3.40 now, A lot of rain around they say but still I cannot see it coming to the city. England batsmen also looking reasonably solid so that will be helping too.

Green!

Greener.

Bit odd, got my 3.1 now it’s blipped back up. Tempted to trade...

Time decay in cricket markets doesn't work as efficiently as in football markets does it?

I got matched at 1.46 nearly 15 mins ago

Mar 26, 2018 -- 5:32AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Time decay in cricket markets doesn't work as efficiently as in football markets does it?

Very much not. Could be that cricket factors in other stuff but suspect it’s just a bit more randomly traded. I took some 3.25 expecting a quick drop and it went up!

Now the momentum is back but Stokes suddenly looking less solid.

Cricket has more variables like weather. And this market currently is very much being dictated by all that rain out West. It may come it may not, but if it does it looks pretty bad. But it may not come at all (big chance of that happening). So I am thinking if those close to the action see a band moving closer they may take  the draw and if it reverses reverse on the draw. Its very wet and dark out West but for the last 3 hours it has not really threatened at all.

Flip is very acheivable now!

Zimmers Windies test match late last year had £50 mill matched, this will not even reach 1/2 that.

Greener! Picked up the 2.9 I put in after backing at 3.55 overnight. Still have a 1.9 around, which would put me 800 even green.

Should they be trying to score runs or not here? It feels like a situation where the runs don’t mattter much but they could affect things a bit if England out with very little time left. Thing is, say Stokes and Anderson in with 10 overs left and scores near level, you’d want Stokes to take some risks to farm strike but probably not to score runs to set a lead up.

The session break should coincide with the flip.

Swanny so sure of himself but wrong again.

dropped

well not dropped technically but Watling missed it

Flip imminent as if train is about to hit.

We did have flippage 2.02 atched on NZ

Mar 26, 2018 -- 5:56AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Swanny so sure of himself but wrong again.

What was he saying?

Swanny was sure that referral would be given out!

There losing their heads here. Both of em

Stokes and Woakes have been filled with the spirit of Shannon Gabriel!

Relatively nicely green now.

Astle has bowled quite nicely here. Odd to have a leg spinner and not use him when you don’t care much about going for runs. Although having said that, England will get a lead if batting into the last 8 or so overs, which at least takes 2 out for changeover. Could conceivably have a comical 2 overs to get 25 runs or so. Would be hilarious if that’s happened. Can’t say I’ve ever really seen it apart from England Sri Lanka once where Vaughan and Trescothick got something like 60 very comfortably inside 5 overs and England failing to do similarly in the first UAE test against the light rather than the nominal overs left though.

Anyone else struggling to believe Broad faced 77 balls hardly scoring last England test here to help save it?

Mar 26, 2018 -- 6:08AM, Fatslogger wrote:

Anyone else struggling to believe Broad faced 77 balls hardly scoring last England test here to help save it?

But that was before Varun Aaron ......bounced Broad and ruined him as a bat forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jca_kv1oec was very nasty though nothing compared to Malcom Marshall obliterating Mike Gatting's nose back in the day.

just before dinner....

Utterly Brainless!

Mar 26, 2018 -- 6:12AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Mar 26, 2018 --  5:08AM, Fatslogger wrote:Anyone else struggling to believe Broad faced 77 balls hardly scoring last England test here to help save it?But that was before Varun Aaron ......bounced Broad and ruined him as a bat forever.

His record isn’t actually that different before and after, certainly if you remove the outlying 150. I think it’s a bit of a false narrative myself. He’s always had a good eye but indifferent application.

Talking of application...

Almost all Eng wickets have been gifts!..........no one gives them a rollicking.

Mar 26, 2018 -- 6:21AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Almost all Eng wickets have been gifts!..........no one gives them a rollicking.

Inside the dressing room!

When someone bowls halfway down the pitch it is not hard to avoid the ball! or shouldn't be!

Mar 26, 2018 -- 6:20AM, Fatslogger wrote:

Mar 26, 2018 --  6:12AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:Mar 26, 2018 --  5:08AM, Fatslogger wrote:Anyone else struggling to believe Broad faced 77 balls hardly scoring last England test here to help save it?But that was before Varun Aaron ......bounced Broad and ruined him as a bat forever.His record isn’t actually that different before and after, certainly if you remove the outlying 150. I think it’s a bit of a false narrative myself. He’s always had a good eye but indifferent application. Talking of application...

Mentally I believe he's gone after that.   He's a waster with the bat, should have been a proper all-rounder.

I'm still green but if I level up that wicket has 1/2d my return!


I have layed again!..........I want another run up on NZ

Mar 26, 2018 -- 6:23AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:

Mar 26, 2018 --  6:20AM, Fatslogger wrote:Mar 26, 2018 --  6:12AM, Cardinal Scott wrote:Mar 26, 2018 --  5:08AM, Fatslogger wrote:Anyone else struggling to believe Broad faced 77 balls hardly scoring last England test here to help save it?But that was before Varun Aaron ......bounced Broad and ruined him as a bat forever.His record isn’t actually that different before and after, certainly if you remove the outlying 150. I think it’s a bit of a false narrative myself. He’s always had a good eye but indifferent application. Talking of application...Mentally I believe he's gone after that.   He's a waster with the bat, should have been a proper all-rounder.

Thought you were talking about Stokes after that shot!

My point is that his record before he got smashed in the face wasn’t that good either, given his talent.

"Thought you were talking about Stokes after that shot!"


My utterly brainless was for Stokes!

I'm so confused myself now!

Soneone in that England dressing room needs to show some nasty, common theme the way wickets are gifted away  time after time.

We need an Alex Ferguson!

England might take 20 overs to score 70 runs. " overs for change of ends. This could get quite exciting but it is the midnight hour with a pink ball remember. I shall not forsake an all round green for draw glory or should I say folly!

Another flip is very doable if not likely!

That is more important to me than end result.

Overton has done well with bat we need him to play conservatively.

ah so we are not talking about cricket but about betting. You may well be right!

I think you understand betting Cardinal, I wish I did!

A flip and then a NZ win is my best guesstimate here.   There is not much cricket in the days ahead so I'll be recharging my batteries after this last session.

There is a test Match on Friday!

Might even have a chance of a weather play!

4 days is a lifetime away for this  trader.

Just opened that market SA 1.6 probably justified.

Wagner is something else, James Milner of Cricket

A good call that. I never rated Wagner but he does more than try. He is ashley quite smart.

The best way to play short pitched bowling is to evade it. As soon as the ball whistles past you there is a huge anticlimax and feeling of wasted effort. If you can do that 4 times in a row it makes the bowler think

This leg spinner is filth!

If he played in the park h'd be carted!

timber!

like i said

Annoying! a new flip was imminent.......this might be the END!

Like I said, I am not chasing draw folly

why the draw just gone from 7 to 4.50 in one over?

So market moving depending on who is on strike.

Got my red down to 1/4 of original 1st day horror.

so about 24 balls ago 1.37 was seen on NZ....hate how time/ball decay doesnt work in these markets.

Uncanny how often the market has ends up sticking at about 1.3ish - in chaos theory that would be called a 'strange attractor'.

About 6 overs later we finally get 1 tick higher.

In theory, if it was the same bowler versus the same batsman for every remaining ball, it should follow an option time-value decay curve, accelerating disproportionately in the last few overs.

Truly disgusting performance from England

Need to drop 5 or 6 of these pathetic weasels

They did well to get this far, considering how cheaply some of those wickets went.

Same old same old

No pride no guts

Ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves

Who do we play instead juce? That is another question!

After all that I endup with a small red which I suppose is a victory...........but i am raging.

7 wickets on a flat 3rd day track , unreal

It's how they lose. Wickets galore at the end of sessions/ days and huge collapses.  Completely ineffective with the ball unless it's seaming sideways.  No spin, no pace, no respect . Reprehensible

Fast becoming the worst England side in 30 years. Hope they keep losing !

Mar 26, 2018 -- 7:58AM, jucel69 wrote:

7 wickets on a flat 3rd day track , unreal

I think you’re letting your pocket talk too much or just being unfair. England didn’t do especially well today but sides rarely bat out fifth days, even on flat wicket, with only 7 left. They threw away too many wickets but again, that’s what sides do. Day 1 was the crime.

Oddly I actually slightly increased green with last day trading. There was a massive draw crash after Overton out.

I won over 2k, it's not my pocket
They will win nothing for the foreseeable future with this team or whoever replaces them
Absolutely no quality in any aspect of the team
Nz are a steady side and we just got hammered by an innings! !

Root is okay,  stokes is okay,  the bastard is okay the rest are over the hill or not good enough. That's 8 new players required

Mar 26, 2018 -- 8:19AM, Fatslogger wrote:

Mar 26, 2018 --  7:58AM, jucel69 wrote:7 wickets on a flat 3rd day track , unrealI think you’re letting your pocket talk too much or just being unfair. England didn’t do especially well today but sides rarely bat out fifth days, even on flat wicket, with only 7 left. They threw away too many wickets but again, that’s what sides do. Day 1 was the crime. Oddly I actually slightly increased green with last day trading. There was a massive draw crash after Overton out.

With all the stoppage that was not a 5th day pitch it was a 3 & half ..........that was a featherbed pitch anyway and nearly all Eng wickets were soft.    All the top order got starts.  That should have been saved.

I am also raging at myself though, I traded that equally poorly and am fortunate to come out with a £57 red

Wickets to Wagner ffs. He doesn't move one ball off the straight. Just let him bowl himself into the ground.  130km  per hour bouncers !

England's form in their 12 tests LDLLLLLLLDLL.

Mar 26, 2018 -- 8:54AM, jucel69 wrote:

England's form in their 12 tests LDLLLLLLLDLL.

Away from home

have just seen how stokes got out, what in the actual feck was he doing?!?!

Mar 26, 2018 -- 8:37AM, jucel69 wrote:

Wickets to Wagner ffs. He doesn't move one ball off the straight. Just let him bowl himself into the ground.

Jesus, just posted that and twice and you bloody double spaced me!

It was basically saying you’re a double spacing g1t.

Wow I never double space, I have had a lot to drink today mixed with hot sun & therefore a slippage may of occurred

It was actually agreeing with you about almost everything, just saying that you can’t expect sides to survive day 5 even on a featherbed because they’re imbecilic and play attacking shots when they shouldn’t. Also that Wagner is more effective than he ought to be, yes, although he’s obviously awkward and the ball that got Woakes was a brute.

Mar 26, 2018 -- 11:37AM, GRANTCKING wrote:

have just seen how stokes got out, what in the actual feck was he doing?!?!

I think he was in two minds, knowing he should leave it but also thinking he could slog it for an easy 4.

Mar 26, 2018 -- 11:59AM, Fatslogger wrote:

It was actually agreeing with you about almost everything, just saying that you can’t expect sides to survive day 5 even on a featherbed because they’re imbecilic and play attacking shots when they shouldn’t. Also that Wagner is more effective than he ought to be, yes, although he’s obviously awkward and the ball that got Woakes was a brute.

Ok, need to box clever, change stance, adopt a negative attitude like he does. All he has is a 130k short ball and an ability to test your patience for a period of time. Over the wicket open the stance right up bat on/outside leg, and around the wicket bat on/outside off stump. It's not rocket science, he's been doing it for a while now.
Make him try and hit the wickets as you will inevitably be leaving them in view!!

look how Amla annihilated Swann in recent times (batting miles outside off)  or Lara, Sachin against Warne. You need to think outside the box. Open your stance up and make him change his ONLY plan. If you bat on middle, leg with a massively open stance, he's already thinking about how to change it up.

I think take a normal stance, because you don’t want him getting you with a leg stump yorker but just duck everything short and forget that you have a bat unless he bowls full. It does seem to be extremely difficult for batsmen to change their approach though. Perhaps changing stance is the way to force it.

Just don’t even lift the bat when playing him.

To get out before an interval (playing a nonsensical shot) also shows utter contempt and disdain for your fellow teams mates/ mgmt.
Wonder how many times it happened under Border, Clive Lloyd, Waugh, Graeme Smith etc? Each of those fore-mentioned would have gone ballistic.
This PC baloney, unable to criticise, has run through every facet of society. I wonder if Moeen 'the savior' Ali has ever had a real bollocking? I can imagine never for worry about repercussions!!

Mar 26, 2018 -- 12:17PM, Fatslogger wrote:

I think take a normal stance, because you don’t want him getting you with a leg stump yorker but just duck everything short and forget that you have a bat unless he bowls full. It does seem to be extremely difficult for batsmen to change their approach though. Perhaps changing stance is the way to force it.

If you open up you can sway out of the way so easily and therefore concentrate on yorkers etc.
If you get out to a 130k pie man's yorker it's time to find another way to make a living.

I ashley thought Wagner bowled very well. He is awkward being short. My way of playing fast bowling was always to get into line quickly. From there you can step inside the line and watch it go over your left shoulder. The more you leave and don't play the more the bowler gets frustrated then he tries to start hitting you which makes it easier still.

England have no plan, no organisation. To be honest we all know and are wasting our time. it is same old same old and nothing happens. It has been like this for years.

Grant,

Stokes got out to a T20 shot, stop complaining and stick to your game. The IPL starts soon

Oh fiddle sticks. Could have greened out for 50 squid..

Playing short pitched bowling? Drop your hands and wear it! Bob and weave. Once you follow it as it rises you're screwed.  Waggy did bowl well though. Very impressive.