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tomtimtum
02 Apr 17 16:40
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Toss in 20 mins
Will be interesting to see which pitch they will use.

The pudding from the 2nd game, the runway from the 3rd or a new one
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Report Cardinal Scott April 2, 2017 6:38 PM BST
Jos Buttler is not in great nick either so it will be a tough choice for Ricky Pointing to make at Mumbai Indians for the role of finisher.
Report betfairchat April 2, 2017 6:40 PM BST
WI could be out for hundred way there going
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 6:40 PM BST
sssshhhhaaaaadddaaabbbbaaaaddoooo
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:40 PM BST
OK just paid for the B365 account, there is no live streaming of cricket for us.
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:41 PM BST
NHL , Spanish La Liga, Belgium Soccer, NBA, MLB, Tennis Miami Open , still get access to that though....cant complain
Report Steam April 2, 2017 6:41 PM BST
OK this was a train just the other way..
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:41 PM BST
whoops sorry about that WCE no idea it was country based. Apologies.
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:42 PM BST
its all good, more sport the merrier
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:42 PM BST
thought they would have provided the cricket as well....
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:43 PM BST
not even Pakistan will bottle this from here
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 6:43 PM BST
ECE

All you have to do is download the Mobdro app for free.........on android..

It has every station in the cricket world........Laugh...for free........

all the sky  all the bt   

TEN CRICKET  PAK TV  WILLOW CRICKET   oZ SPORTS AND ON AND ON  espn etc
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:45 PM BST
i dont have an android, I use an Apple iphone
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:45 PM BST
will consider buying a Samsung Galaxy in future though
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 6:45 PM BST
Dont think 365 is streaming this match ECE
Report Steam April 2, 2017 6:46 PM BST
Ok I am out of this match...dont see Windies coming out alive of this...
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:47 PM BST
Surprised Windies price still only  4.7.
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 6:47 PM BST
it may have other options than android

but you can have it on phone too

or buy a kindle for peanuts............

top streaming
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:48 PM BST
EVen if Pakistan tried to bottle this, they still wouldn't lose.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:49 PM BST
pecker don't they all suffer from same problem of lag.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:50 PM BST
At this rate I'll be green again soon - strange.
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 6:52 PM BST
Whats going on

Are Pak 2 down
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:53 PM BST
I am now.
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 6:54 PM BST
Yes Charles, all streams encounter some problems...

But better than no pictures
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:55 PM BST
Agree with that pecker but 365 do a good job.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:56 PM BST
I never really used them until Tom kept on about them Grin
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 6:56 PM BST
130+ runs or more laid at 22/1
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 6:59 PM BST
I've steamed these 1.5s...............cant believe it...on already at 2.18
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 6:59 PM BST
Why the fractional odds WCE?
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 7:02 PM BST
dont know just felt like mentioning it that way
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:02 PM BST
for clarity Charles, no doubt.
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:04 PM BST
oh my, 66 dot balls!
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:08 PM BST
chunks of money around
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:11 PM BST
Interesting for me again (but probably no one else) is how I get out of this. I need about 1.5 to break even. Not losing a great amount so no real pressure but do like the challenge.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:13 PM BST
Although everyone keeps telling me there's no difference it will involve betting/laying Windies not Pakistan. As soon as pecker puts me right about cross matching that may change though Grin
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:14 PM BST
Interesting for me is how you just cant say i am green now and will leave it alone..really
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:14 PM BST
I have to give it to you..how you manage no losses in T20...I lost my shirt yesterday..!!!nightmare it was
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:15 PM BST
pecker I will explain that just not now!
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:15 PM BST
Charlies Ebook will be coming soon, "How to always win in T20" - £9.99
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:15 PM BST
Steam I will get caught one day and it will cost me.
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:16 PM BST
Pollard out of IPL now..
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:18 PM BST
Charlies T20 strat
1. Back the team batting first
2. If they're in the **** keep doubling up at higher odds
3. If they do a **** score, full bank on chasing team to recover losses.
4. Profit


Am i close Charlie!?
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:20 PM BST
Neah as far as I have seen he just backs the high odds whoever it is...
Report ayt April 2, 2017 7:21 PM BST
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:22 PM BST
Cliche...early wickets needed by Windies..to stand any chance.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:23 PM BST
1. is correct
2. is wrong i think (but not sure what you mean)
3. is close but no where near full bank (and often continue to lay favourite)
4. is correct!

This was initial reply but it's far too simplistic, as there are trades going on all the time.
Report ayt April 2, 2017 7:26 PM BST
Thinks all forum losing as usuall..
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:26 PM BST
I am close to pulling the plug on Windies.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:26 PM BST
Just laid again at 1.17 but I have to  be careful I'm not just trying to prove a point!
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:27 PM BST
Which does go against what I said earlier about playing on Windies.
Report slip5 April 2, 2017 7:28 PM BST
tom you being sarcastic cussing charlie Grin
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:28 PM BST
No. So backed then at 6.6.
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:30 PM BST
slip you have an imposter
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:30 PM BST
someone named skip here earlier!
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:30 PM BST
Wasn't a wide.
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:30 PM BST
Cross matching was introduced by Betfair under the guise of 'Market Efficiency'.

They said it was to ensure tat people could get matched quickly and fairly at the requested price..

So if your request was not matched on one side it would be matched on the other side if monies were available.

This means 'Betfair', WE WILL INTRODUCE OUR BOTS TO THE MARKET and hoover up any over round available before you even see it often and thus put an end to the previous 'Scalping' that peeps like me had been doing for previous years, thus creating less winners immediately, and robbing the mostly losers on here aswell as taking the PC charge off them resulting in less Newbies coming on board and as a result pishing off the regular market makers and so reducing significantly liquidity.They did not care because they want losers to go to sporstbook and for Sharp minds to fight it out amongst themselves and pay stupis amounts of PC to do so..

So now you have to stick to one side..

that side is the fav side ...all the time..and lay or back accordingly...

you can not gain advantage on the shallow side because of the Bots and you will just get snaffled and margined out bit by bit...

I hope this makes it clearer for you Charles....

Whatever you do , good luck..

But lay for 50 is 43      43 at 2.14 is only 49.02

Grin
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:33 PM BST
Looks bollocks but will read it properly later Laugh
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:33 PM BST
LaughLaugh
Report slip5 April 2, 2017 7:33 PM BST
tom charles likes to have runs on the board Grin
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:34 PM BST
Lay 50 at 1.84 that should say
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:35 PM BST
1.86 Laugh
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:35 PM BST
pecker  you are woefully out of form!
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:36 PM BST
Say what you like Charles....thats the fcuking numbers and they cant be beat and i am here

15 years.......................Grin
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:37 PM BST
Tom, you know what i mean...

i am typing lots and spoon feeding the babies ff sake............
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:37 PM BST
OK...pulled the plug...not losing..not winning...but I am happy that I have made my money on the run lines...now would cheer for Windies.
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:37 PM BST
Thought that was a copy/paste job!
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:38 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:40 PM BST
It is C&P.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:41 PM BST
Still laying Pakistan. But will bail soon so that I can get a game.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:42 PM BST
Gooooood!
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:43 PM BST
So Chaz now on Pakistan..
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:43 PM BST
Not yet.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:46 PM BST
Backed again at 6.6.
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:48 PM BST
Charles, has it ever crossed your mind as to why there is a 3/10ths gap on the Windies side all the time...

You really should be more observant.
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:48 PM BST
Pakistan taking it slowly..but thats how they mug things usually...start getting too careful and then just collapse in a heap..
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:50 PM BST
pecker, yes and I like to fill the gap with £2 which messes things up.
Report East_Coast_Eagle April 2, 2017 7:50 PM BST
nice nickers Jason Holder
Report peckerdunne April 2, 2017 7:50 PM BST
I give up..........
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:51 PM BST
I don't!
Report Steam April 2, 2017 7:52 PM BST
I am clean here but really want to back Windies here..
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:53 PM BST
Gonna have to go for it soon.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:55 PM BST
Could have done with that.
Report tomtimtum April 2, 2017 7:57 PM BST

Apr 2, 2017 -- 1:50PM, Charlie wrote:


pecker, yes and I like to fill the gap with £2 which messes things up.


Charlie bamboozles the bots!

Report Charlie April 2, 2017 7:59 PM BST
I do it all the time Tom. Virtually every time I see a gap I stick £2 on it. It provides information.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:00 PM BST
Time to get myself out of the sh!te.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:02 PM BST
Missed it put up lay at 14 (following a £2 bet) but four spoiled it.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:05 PM BST
Laid at 19 for a big loss.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:07 PM BST
If they lose.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:07 PM BST
And I don't bet anymore.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:09 PM BST
And that sorts it.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:11 PM BST
Well played me.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:12 PM BST
Hope Windies win now got a bigger green on them.
Report Fatslogger April 2, 2017 8:16 PM BST
After timing here but was rather pleasantly surprised to be able to get on Pak around 2.1. They've managed the chase, such as it is, well. Doesn't make up for the amount I lost last game but then it's been a very good weekend otherwise.
Report slip5 April 2, 2017 8:16 PM BST
pakistan seem a straight team these days
Report Fatslogger April 2, 2017 8:18 PM BST

Apr 2, 2017 -- 2:16PM, slip5 wrote:


pakistan seem a straight team these days


Still not great with the bat but good enough to chase 125.

Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:31 PM BST
pecker did you originate the abovt cross matching? I can see what you're saying but it's still bollocks.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 8:44 PM BST
Must admit a bit ill mannered of me I'll post reasons why tomorrow.
Report Charlie April 2, 2017 9:06 PM BST
pecker thanks for the cross matching. Read it and digested it. It's still bollocks.
Report Charlie April 3, 2017 9:48 AM BST
pecker
It was very rude of me to call something bollocks without at least offering an explanation so here goes.

In your example you used laying £50 @ 1.86 to give £43 and then backing £43 at 2.14 to give £49.02. So you would be 98p better off laying.

The implied probability (1/odds) for odds of 1.86 is 0.5376. The closest to make a round book on the lay side is 2.16 (not 2.14 as given by you) with an implied probability of 0.4630. Using these figures lay £50 at 1.86 to give £43 (as before) but now backing £43 at 2.16 gives £49.88. So you are still better off by 12p laying than backing. Which supports your argument.

If we now change the odds slightly to 1.85 which is an implied probability of 0.5405 then the required back odds are 2.18 with an implied probability of 0.4587. Now we get lay £50 at 1.85 equals £42.50 and back £42.50 at 2.18 which is £50.15. So we would be 15p better of by backing. Which goes against your argument.

So it appears, theoretically, sometimes we would be better off laying and some times better off backing.
Report peckerdunne April 3, 2017 12:19 PM BST
Charles

Yes, 1.84 as Tom pointed out or 2.16 as you say, which was a typo as Tom was aware.

However the gap increases as you go up the scale.

Where you operate 6 becomes 6.2...500 becomes 520

1.2 500/100 at 1.21  500/105

Work that out

However you still miss the point

The BOT is always ahead of you..always...

You submit £2 bets for information you said.

What exactly is that.

You cant get the perceived value(which isn't there anyway) because the BOT is always ahead of you because it is programmed to do so.

The implication is therefore that when you're bet(that's you)is taken it is because the BOT is creaming the margin FROM YOU.
Report Charlie April 3, 2017 2:26 PM BST
pecker thanks for reply I find it quite interesting and has got me thinking (which is unusual!).

I'm struggling to understand the relevance of 1.2 500/100 and 1.21 500/105. In first back odds should be 6 which gives a 100% book and no difference whether backing or laying. In the second the question is what are the correct back odds 5.7 or 5.8; one favours the layer the other favours the backer (5.8 is slightly closer to a 100% book so would favour the backer).

I fail to see how a bot can be in front of me if I'm the first one to put a price up or put a bet on, say, the second best odds available.

£2 for information was a bit tongue in cheek but I do "frequently fill the gap" with a £2 bet. Pre-match I've observed that frequently there's a stand-off between backers and layers. I may be trying to decide whether the odds will go up or down before placing a bet or be trying to get slightly better odds. A £2 bet, daft as it sounds, often sparks the market into life. Again frequently the backing or laying side will take the bet and there's no longer a gap. Sometimes some bastard will just take the £2 though and I'm non the wiser. Not a very good explanation I know what I mean but that's not much use to anyone else.

In-play works much the same but obviously much quicker plus I'm sometimes pissed off that somebody will be profiting by backing and laying either side of the gap and hope my £2 pisses them off - maybe unlikely (especially if a bot) but for £2 which may win or lose gives me pleasure.

I don't mind bots doing their stuff. If there are cricket bots that can accurately calculate the correct odds either pre-match or in-play I'd be very surprised.
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