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jucel69
17 Feb 17 11:13
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I'm looking for a  contact re the match fixing going on in the Indian league
I've made a fair bit from the tournament but what is going on over there is absolutely disgraceful,
I have all the data re odds, analysis etc, is there anybody who would give me a chance to write a detailed report on the game?

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By:
slip5
When: 17 Feb 17 12:23
Very dodgy league that one juce
By:
slip5
When: 17 Feb 17 12:29
Juce did you watch the Chittor's Chetak vs Kota Chambal Tigers game the other day
By:
palacegatetouch
When: 17 Feb 17 14:33
Ed Hawkins
@cricketbetting


he's ur man, he wrote an intriguing book all about match fixing, was a great read!!!
By:
pxb
When: 17 Feb 17 22:34
Write a synopsis and send it to cricinfo. It's possible you might get some interest from the UK dailies.
By:
jucel69
When: 17 Feb 17 23:11
Cheers I will start to write a detailed analysis of the game while it's fresh in my mind.
Just one startling fact is Kota were 1.6 to defend 118 and Jaisalmer were 8s to defend 141.
By:
DStyle
When: 17 Feb 17 23:43
There aren't many organisations ready to engage in publicly accusing any party of match fixing without being able to prove it.

That was the whole problem with the davydenko thing, with betfair implicitly reaching a judgement, (a very fair one mind you) yet not being the organisation whose duty it is to prove it. On top of this it can attract huge publicity placing an even greater onus on those making the allegations to prove them.

One possible interpretation of the market movements might be that the whole purpose of an entire T20 league is to be to able to manufacture matches with certain outcomes. It's pretty sad. I've said elsewhere that given the way these matches are being played, I don't think it's right for betfair to continue to offer them, but i understand that the explosion in popularity of T20 cricket and betting on it, is a great way to generate growth.

If they do continue to offer them and you want to bet on them the advice is this: you can make a lot of money if you wait for "the drop". It is free money, but you'll only be taking it from people who can't heed this advice.

As for whom to inform, the details are here.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integrity/anti-corruption/key-contacts

It is there job to pursue these matters. I'm almost certain that Betfair have an MoU with them and can provide the necessary match data on request.
By:
DStyle
When: 17 Feb 17 23:45
*their job
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Feb 17 00:03
(and the advice was general advice for everyone, not for you juce - i know you know what you're doing)
By:
pxb
When: 18 Feb 17 00:20
The only proof of match fixing is a recording of the fix being arranged. Suspicious betting patterns aren't proof. So, I'd use words like, strange, unusual, anomalous. BF will have the data to do a proper statistical analysis with account details, but as this in India it's in the jurisdiction of some Indian agency. And betting is a legal grey area there, and I doubt there is anyone specifically responsible for corruption in sport, outside the BCCI, and they are embroiled in court cases currently.
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Feb 17 00:21
From what I have heard, this league sounds like a set up. I can assure you whoever takes action against this league, will be the one sponsoring it in the first place. It sounds like a set up to 'crack down on match fixing' or even an attempt at making sure no one other than the big guys(say BCCI) can run T20 leagues in the country.

Don't waste your time on this juce.
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 00:24
Cheers DS, sage advice.
I've never seen anything quite as blatant as this though.
It has got worse in the last few days as they make sure certain teams reach the last 4.
I'm going to give it a wide berth from now on as I'm not in the'know'.
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 00:28

Feb 18, 2017 -- 12:20AM, pxb wrote:


The only proof of match fixing is a recording of the fix being arranged. Suspicious betting patterns aren't proof. So, I'd use words like, strange, unusual, anomalous. BF will have the data to do a proper statistical analysis with account details, but as this in India it's in the jurisdiction of some Indian agency. And betting is a legal grey area there, and I doubt there is anyone specifically responsible for corruption in sport, outside the BCCI, and they are embroiled in court cases currently.


Yeh it seems the best way is just to leave the tournament alone.
To watch that game unfold yesterday was a disgrace to competitive sport.
Do BF have a duty to stop facilitating the corruption by having markets open on this ? A lot of money comes in at certain times, so they seem to be complicit in the whole matter.
I assume they only care about their commission

By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 00:29
maybe complicit is a bit harsh, but they must have an inkling to what is going on and have chose to turn a blind eye
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 00:30

Feb 18, 2017 -- 12:20AM, pxb wrote:


The only proof of match fixing is a recording of the fix being arranged. Suspicious betting patterns aren't proof. So, I'd use words like, strange, unusual, anomalous. BF will have the data to do a proper statistical analysis with account details, but as this in India it's in the jurisdiction of some Indian agency. And betting is a legal grey area there, and I doubt there is anyone specifically responsible for corruption in sport, outside the BCCI, and they are embroiled in court cases currently.


I though irregular and strange betting patterns warranted an investigation?

By:
pxb
When: 18 Feb 17 02:53
From 2001

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/144219.html
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 04:24
ITS HAPPENING AGAIN!!

Batting side are 68/1 after 9 and have gone from 1.6 to 5s/6sLaugh
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 04:25
The top side against the bottom tooCrazy
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 04:30
The top side in the comp are 88/1 after 10 against the bottom side and are 4.5!!!. This is beyond comprehension
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:07
Ok, they got the nod, 30/4 off the last 7Laugh
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:16
40 off the last 10 overs, just blocked and gave wickets away. Some people must be making gazillions out of these games
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:29
Now after only getting 131 the odds plummet to 3s
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:30
Now into 2.2!! no wickets either
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:32
4.8 to under 2s in one over & no wickets, pure madness
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:33
now a wicket and 1.6!!
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:34
1.8 now and the odds seem about right for the first time in the game
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:36
2 fours and back out to 4s from 1.8CrazyLaugh
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 05:40
wish I'd had a grand on today at 4s/5s. Kota are going to piss this
By:
pxb
When: 18 Feb 17 06:03
A general observation as I haven't been following this, but it could be a case of a lot of bf newbies and hardly any traders. Traders stabilize markets. So relatively small amounts of money going in one direction will produce relatively large price movements. Which doesn't mean there isn't fixing going on.
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 06:11

Feb 18, 2017 -- 6:03AM, pxb wrote:


A general observation as I haven't been following this, but it could be a case of a lot of bf newbies and hardly any traders. Traders stabilize markets. So relatively small amounts of money going in one direction will produce relatively large price movements. Which doesn't mean there isn't fixing going on.


Yeh but the top team were 88/1 after 10 and they were 4s/5s against the bottom side. Hard to work out what was going on as it looks like they will win easily!

By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 06:11

Feb 18, 2017 -- 6:11AM, jucel69 wrote:


Feb 18, 2017 --  6:03AM, pxb wrote:A general observation as I haven't been following this, but it could be a case of a lot of bf newbies and hardly any traders. Traders stabilize markets. So relatively small amounts of money going in one direction will produce relatively large price movements. Which doesn't mean there isn't fixing going on.Yeh but the top team were 88/1 after 10 and they were 4s/5s against the bottom side. Hard to work out what was going on as it looks like they will win easily!


And they started at 1.6!!

By:
pxb
When: 18 Feb 17 06:38
When bf first introduced To Win The Toss markets, they were wildly volatile for a random event and I made a fair bit trading them. After a month or so they stabilized after more traders came in and now hardly move at all.
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Feb 17 08:51
pxb 18 Feb 17 06:03 
A general observation as I haven't been following this, but it could be a case of a lot of bf newbies and hardly any traders. Traders stabilize markets. So relatively small amounts of money going in one direction will produce relatively large price movements. Which doesn't mean there isn't fixing going on.


not a chance. the money matched in india dwarfs the money matched here.

it goes like this: indian markets hedge on betfair which are then copied by the high street bookies.
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Feb 17 08:54
here we go in this one.

looks like jaipur...
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Feb 17 08:59
ahhh the comedy drops.... Laugh
By:
pxb
When: 18 Feb 17 09:45
not a chance. the money matched in india dwarfs the money matched here.

Not contrary to what I said. In fact supportive.
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Feb 17 09:53
17k at 1.76 after b2b boundaries

6k at 1.64
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Feb 17 09:54
pxb - i understand what you mean.

the problem is that if you watch these matches.....
By:
DStyle
When: 18 Feb 17 09:58
1.36 now.

63-0

have you got a stream for this
By:
jucel69
When: 18 Feb 17 09:59
67/0 and 3.85Laugh
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