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2. A. W. Greig
3. B. L. D'Oliveira
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On contribution to the overall team KP wouldn't even be in the top 100.
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1. Derek Underwood although Modern Day Graeme Swann is up there.
2. Gooch 3. A Cook |
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Great topic wonby but ruined it by using the word Fact.
OK I get it. That is funny! So I will see your 3 with Gubby Allen Pelham Warner Colin Cowdrey and raise you K S Ranjitsinhji Nawab of Pataudi Snr Albert Trott For those of you not taking drugs or crack in particular W G Grace Jack Hobbs S F Barnes Supps I think you need to change your supplier. If you tell me what is your pleasure I will try and get you something decent  ! |
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Salvia
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only kidding! the only Salvia I know is Salvia Splendens which has a nice red flower!
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Supps 04 Nov 16 17:34
Salvia mixed with DMT, peyote and ketamine. that's the only explanation for picking cook. |
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Wouldn't have any of DStyle's three. That's the easy bit who I would have is harder. Grace, Botham, Trueman maybe.
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I have heard of ketamine but never got to watch DMT. Is peyote from Mexico?
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I must of dreamt Ali Cooks centuries? who has more from an England perspective? His captaincy is bang average but to perform at this level considering the bowlers are more skillful demands Top 3..... anyone got meth?
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Perhaps it's too difficult to compare batsmen with bowlers and all-rounders. Maybe a category for each.
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Grace and Barnes for sure. Not so clear on the third pick though.
Ian Ward? |
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Cook's concentration is peerless, but he's merely statistically great. He has cashed in heavily in a period which will be remembered for its paucity of great bowlers. His contributions rarely come in isolation (i.e. his large scores are often accompanied by other large scores from other batsmen).
Pietersen had many more important innings. Much in the same way Tendulkar never came close to equaling any of Lara's most important and influential innings, Cook has very little that comes close to KP's runs in Colombo (2012), the Oval (2005), Headingley (2012) and Mumbai (2012) |
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peyote is the name of the cactus which has seeds that contain Mescaline.
DMT is dimethyltryptamine. (google machine elves  ) |
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I think wonby should rename this thread The Magic Roundabout
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tomtimtum 05 Nov 16 10:31 Interesting thoughts on Cook but surely if he's scoring heavily and putting the team in a great position then it makes it easier for others to bat, so he's less likely to score his runs in isolation. Isn't that the role of the opener? To set the game up for others to cash in? You stupid boy! We are talking about all time greats! I could name half a dozen or more better English openers than him! Do your homework like I told you! |
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How many of them scored 10k+ Test runs WD??
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WD, imagine you had to choose someone to open for the 5 match series in India coming up and your life depended on it.
Would you rather have Cook or Jack Hobbs (who didnt even play a test in India) |
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I suspect Cook would be no better than Atherton if they played in the same era.
That Pakistan series in 2010 gave a glimpse of what his career would have looked like in another era. |
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I believe comparing players in cricket is useless. You cant even compare two players of the same era as they play on different surfaces most of the times. And they can only be as good as their fellow teammates and opposite players allow them to be.
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Joe Root will be Englands greatest ever batsman, that's all I can say on the matter!
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detraveller 05 Nov 16 10:47
I believe comparing players in cricket is useless. You cant even compare two players of the same era as they play on different surfaces most of the times. And they can only be as good as their fellow teammates and opposite players allow them to be. I think you can get some sort of quasi-quantitative measure. The Wisden Top 100 innings was a great piece of work. I also think after you get to about 6000 test runs, stats become less meaningful and it's more about the number of match transforming innings. |
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peter may.
tevor bailey derek underwood.. |
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trevor.
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In the spirit of the thread, why are none of you morons talking about G Lohmann? Quite apart from the stats, the man played test cricket despite being sick with consumption. Best test bowler ever? Quite possibly.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/16337.html |
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Cricket is not a sport stop with this drivel seen more talent at the Sainsburys checkout!
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Bob, when you do a 9 hour shift 5 times a week, you are obviously likely to spot more talent than at a game that lasts 7 hours a day for 5 days. Weren;t you at mcdonalds by the way? Did you switch jobs?
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BOB has his own corner shop
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Cook really? Listen Padowan, I suggest you joing slogger and do some research 6 Openers better than Cook off the top of my head Sutcliffe, Hobbs, Hutton, WG Grace, Boycott,Gooch ( and yes I did see WG Grace bat! before you ask! ) |
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Good call King
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Just read some stuff about Hobbs+Sutcliffe;
http://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/jack-hobbs-and-herbert-sutcliffe-the-greatest-opening-pair-in-test-history-3197 Bit that caught me eye; England rung the changes, drafting in Percy Chapman – in place of the unfortunate Arthur Carr - as skipper, the 49 year old Wilfred Rhodes and the young tearaway Nottinghamshire fast bowler Harold Larwood. An expectant nation waited with bated breath. 49 year old players! Shows how strong Test Cricket was back then! Cook would have averaged 200+ if he faced those bowlers! |
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Now you are peeing me off young man!
So what about Hobbs and Sutcliffe? Do you still think Cook could hold a carrot to any of them. Big heavy bats, shorter boundaries these days. No great West Indian fast bowlers around, Not many decent Aussie quicks, The great Pakistani's retired. Nowadays they chip a toe nail and they are sick noted off for 3 months! |
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Hobbs and Sutcliffe didn't play WI or Pak so not sure what point you're trying to make!
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And hasn't Cook played 133 consecutive tests? So not sure how you can aim the sick note jibe at him!!
You're getting buried here WD |
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you stupid boy!
be quiet now. I just named you 6 better opening batsmen and the thread is about the three grestest English cricketers of all time. He doesn't make the top 6 and so doesn't make the top 3! |
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I think it's impossible to compare batsmen from different generations, especially when you are comparing 2/3 generations.
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owned yourself there mate