England v New Zealand, 2nd Test at Headingley

get to lunch is target #1

nz odds were 1.6 about an hour ago, then they went back down to 1.53 & taken 40 mins to get back to 1.6

Jun 2, 2015 -- 12:36PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

does anyone know what happens if the heavy bails don't stay on?

They take the bails off and you have to use your eyes to see if the ball, has hit the stumps, adjudicated of course by the umpire.

Jun 2, 2015 -- 12:43PM, cricketnut2 wrote:

Jun  2, 2015 -- 12:36PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:does anyone know what happens if the heavy bails don't stay on?They take the bails off and you have to use your eyes to see if the ball, has hit the stumps, adjudicated of course by the umpire.

could use hawkeye!

Ballance looks absolutely scared stupid at the moment.

He doesn't appear to be watching the ball and some of his movements are bizarre for a number 3 bat at Test Level. His body language looks awful and he appears to be a walking wicket at the moment.

The thing is I don't think they will drop him.

Jun 2, 2015 -- 12:47PM, sewter lives again wrote:

Ballance looks absolutely scared stupid at the moment.He doesn't appear to be watching the ball and some of his movements are bizarre for a number 3 bat at Test Level. His body language looks awful and he appears to be a walking wicket at the moment.The thing is I don't think they will drop him.

you could be describing Trott too! Get KP at 3 with a licence!!!!!!!

Got a feeling this game is going to have more flip flops than Ghandi's funeral

Ouch

bullseye

I cannot believe the draw price now is 2.04.

get the physio on and waste 10 mins!

nearly evens each of two now

Bumble in the bollox!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R148pbWpA3Q

NOT ANYMORE

That would be funny if the selectors recalled KP and made him bat at 3 which he hates! I did say previously they might try that against Aussie then drop him forever after two test's. Obviously Strauss has quashed that but I wonder when Bayliss will be questioned about picking his strongest possible lineup!

the main man KW

Draw still only 3.20? Why is it not 6?

don't need to offer that much to suck em in tyco

Haha cheers wondersobright... Very strange though isnt it.

Cant believe I did not lay that draw at 2.04

cos Cook is still there. He can bat for days.

Cook can bat for days Yomomma I know... but can Butler, Moin et al?

YOMOMMA    02 Jun 15 12:59 
cos Cook is still there. He can bat for days.


not when he runs out of partners,he can't!

Jun 2, 2015 -- 12:59PM, tyco161 wrote:

Haha cheers wondersobright... Very strange though isnt it.

strange yes but also normal for test cricket markets

Might rain? Hard to fully trust weather forecasts.

Jun 2, 2015 -- 1:02PM, wondersobright wrote:

Jun  2, 2015 -- 12:59PM, tyco161 wrote:Haha cheers wondersobright... Very strange though isnt it.strange yes but also normal for test cricket markets

the market has to balance to approx 100% therefore you get some strange odds.

could be a bit of a shower in the next hour

those clouds look ominous..but with strong winds,rain unlikely to set in for the day
NZ have impressed me last cpl of days with both bat & ball

just laid NZ hoping for a bit of a sprinkle!

what price eng if cook goes

do you mean draw?

I can never understand the forecasts that incorrectly report what the weather is actually doing in the named place at the present moment in time. How rubbish is that?

Any showers should go through pretty quickly!

if a forecast says no rain it pretty much cert won't rain... only time it's normally wrong is if says rain at a certain time but rains earlier or later

NZ 1.5 with 66 overs left is a great bet. I'm betting on them now & if Eng hold on then fair play!!

Any showers are passing above and below Leeds, I live in Halifax the sun was shining in my bathroom window this morning so I backed NZ.

only that price cos of question marks over weather
if only get 70-80% of remaining complement of overs
NZ get it done imo
basically won it this morning all things being equal

Got a new ball too!!

haven't been impressed with southee overly
don't think he's really firing

once the sun comes out it will stay out

Female comm just said "bright sunshine".

eng going for the win now

NZ rope-a-doping?

don't have pics, how is the pitch playing? Were most of the wickets unforced errors from Eng?

Jun 2, 2015 -- 2:16PM, oddduck wrote:

don't have pics, how is the pitch playing? Were most of the wickets unforced errors from Eng?

yes

Gotta be out

Cooks gone

reckon they'll be all out for 452!

How is the draw still in the 3's with Cook gone?

HTF's the draw 5/2?

GSM

f*cking rain!

could bring them off in this wind

nz have moved from 1.22-1.38 in the last ten mins due to a couple spots of rain

these two are basically eng's last realistic hope of getting the requisite runs

Could be some rain soon, wont last long though.

'lights are on' ffs on the 2nd of june at 2-45 in the afternoon
sums this place up!

had a power cut last night down my way due to the high winds. sort of thing you expect in january

we have 12 januarys a year in this country
you should know that

Toast....Series deserves to be 1 - 1

engs batting really saved my bacon here

I greened up just before that wicket, should have waited.

raining in Manchester because the tennis is interupted. Unless it's the wind.

it's heading towards Leeds if it is lol

2 topsy turvy tests alright. winners traded best part of 20/1 both times

I know it's wrong but I would love to see " The Enforcer " get smashed in the face again!

I know it's wrong but I would love to see " The Enforcer " get smashed in the face again!

Botham can smell an early start to the evenings booze session

that's been goib on since they came on air

on the evidence today if NZ had been chasing this total they might of got it or at least save the game.

eng moving inexorably towards their victory target!

draw to hit evens with 17 overs remaing

it aint over till the fat lady sings ;-)

Jun 2, 2015 -- 4:21PM, johnnythebull wrote:

eng moving inexorably towards their victory target!

they could have won this if they wanted too... Jos must be seeing it like a football now

lol 2 minutes later wicket

1 more to go

How many overs does this last wicket have to survive to deny backers the 7% return on offer?

20.4

i know it's stating the obvious but eng lost 3 wkts for one run this morning
considering there's been 3 or 4 stands of 30/40 odd taking up a fair chunk of time
they could conceivably have saved this had the top order played as their ranking would warrant
having said that v well played NZ
enterprising,refreshing tactics that fully merited the win
intriguing,gripping mini series
& a great ad for test cricket

GSM

4/1 at the end of the 1st day!! ffs
keep betting these test cricket markets lads, huge profit for me on this series

another good test match that...I fear for England against the aussies

top stuff by NZ... to have to win a test and with quite long rain delays and win with 20 overs to spare is pretty impressive.

To be fair NZ have totally dominated this series. They did a typical NZ choke on the final day at Lords. They should feel disappointed not to have won this 2-zip or at least 1 nil. England sort of emerged with some positives after Lords only to dash themselves again.

Bayliss has a lot of thinking to do about the makeup of the side. I think they can drop Ballance to add another spinner like perhaps Rashid but is he good enough, we will never know. Butler and Stokes are good enough to bat 5 and 6. Maybe move Root up to 4 but no higher. Probably a good idea to add another opener at three as he will see early business against Aussie. I don't know who the next cab is off the rank to be honest.

I guess you have to persist with Ali as off spinner but there is a berth for an extra spinner and one needs to be tried. I think our attack may have problems in batsmen friendly conditions this summer.

KP KP KP

id have give MOTM to Craig... 41 not out, 58 not out, 2-48 and 3-73

How about a Holy Trinity of Roy, KP and Ansari? Drop Bell and Ballance for sure!

england very up and down at the moment. did very well to turn the lords test around but you're gonna get inconsistent results when half the side have played around 10 games or less. new zealand just have a more experienced and settled side

you need senior players like bell to pull their weight. he's very lucky that they don't want to try anyone else new with 3 very tough series coming up

"New ball" question - is the new ball easier or more difficult to block than an older, possibly swinging ball, if you are not especially aiming to get runs?

More difficult.

Pronounced seam, greater pace off the pitch leads to more nicks.

So if you are trying to survive a full day's overs then the chances are your middle to lower order will be the ones facing the second new ball, which will be more difficult for them to avoid getting out to.

In which case, given that runs are not required if you're not going to chase, wouldn't it be better if your better batsmen were still around when the second new ball comes into play?

An unusual idea in England's second innings might therefore have been to put the tail in first. If they are prone to getting out to the new ball anyway then it makes little difference if it happens with the first new ball or the second, but if they somehow see out a fair few overs and take the edge off it then the top order are likely to last much longer, perhaps long enough to take on the second new ball when they are already settled and then possibly see the side home. 

Any thoughts?

Rarely do captains/coaches alter their batting lineup.

One of the anomalies of sides that use nightwatchmen is that if there are only a few overs to face for an opening pair, coaches will never open with a nightwatchman.

In England's first innings here, Buttler, Stokes or Mooen could have gone in at 3, 170-1. Attack the spinner before the second new ball. We didn't do this and lost momentum.

Coaches rarely show much imagination imo. Neither do captains. It's one of the skills lacking.

That's a VERY interesting anomaly you've mentioned. I wonder why they don't?

Jun 2, 2015 -- 6:30PM, VardonVoo. wrote:

So if you are trying to survive a full day's overs then the chances are your middle to lower order will be the ones facing the second new ball, which will be more difficult for them to avoid getting out to.In which case, given that runs are not required if you're not going to chase, wouldn't it be better if your better batsmen were still around when the second new ball comes into play?An unusual idea in England's second innings might therefore have been to put the tail in first. If they are prone to getting out to the new ball anyway then it makes little difference if it happens with the first new ball or the second, but if they somehow see out a fair few overs and take the edge off it then the top order are likely to last much longer, perhaps long enough to take on the second new ball when they are already settled and then possibly see the side home.  Any thoughts?

we won't even reach the 2nd new ball, against Australia. I have just seen Dominic Cork talking on SkySports News and he reckons it will be a closer series, than some people think and they will play the same side, in Cardiff, well the Aussies, will come at England, as hard, if not harder than New Zealand have. 177-0 in the 1st innings and 47-0 in the 2nd innings and the rest have managed 173 and 208 for 9 wickets in both innings. The middle order is Englands biggest worry, as no's 9, 10 and 11, Broad, Wood and Anderson have scored 123 runs for the loss of 4 wickets, so an average of 30 is pretty good for the last three. It doesn't take alot to work out where Englands biggest problem lies.

other than not being able to bat,bowl or field they ain't too bad
won't be 5-0 to the aussies
3-1
or if eng can find smth 2-1

I would say it will be 3-0, if the weather misbehaves in a couple of games, 4-0 if it misbehaves in one game and England may win a dead rubber at the Oval, but me thinks the Aussies would take alot of pleasure in winning 5-0 in England. We have 3 spare spaces in the side, we need to find some players that can score runs at no's 3 and 4 and a better spin bowler than Moheen. The trouble is have we got 3 better players, playing in the County Championship. Forget Pieterson, as they have already decided, he isn't playing.

Pretty sure Eng would take 1-2 defeat in the Ashes if you offered it to them now.

sure they would, West Indies v Australia, starts tomorrow, lets see if we can get any comparisons, between the 2 Test series, we played with them and the 2 match series about to be played, but remember Jerome Taylor did not play in the Test England won.

australia 3-1, 4-1 or 5-0 for me