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For England to have any chance of winning an Ashes Test Match, this summer they would need KP to play, because apart from Joe Root and Ian Bell, you can't see anyone else getting runs on a regular basis. The big trouble with KP, is he's a KP man and not a team man. Whether its 1st or 2nd Division cricket 326 not out, well how many other batsman, have we got, that could go that big. I would suggest nobody. Pick him and see what happens.
According to the BBC, he won't be playing for England again.
Strauss obviously a bigger coont than KP.
This has nothing to do with cricket, just personal agenda.
This has nothing to do with cricket, just personal agenda.
nice f ucking slowroll for the guy, graves told him to play county cricket instead of going to the ipl and he never even had a chance, FU graves and FU strauss, get on that plane to india KP, atleast u will be appreciated in the IPL
England still living in the past, by not picking their best player on principles. Time to grow a pair Strauss!
The difference between any Australian player and KP, is no 'Australian player' ever asks to be selected for their national team. They let their action do in the state/county leagues do the talking. I have never heard of a state player in Australia begging the selectors to get picked for their country. KP to me seems to think he has a god given right to be in that team. Like some forumites, he seems to be more of an 'individual than a team player', this has the potential to lead to disaster, irrespective of how talented the individual is. This is a Twitter comment from KP "Good time to hit some form? #326*". Let the media, supporters , coaches do the talking.....he should just concentrate playing the game and stop influencing selectors with comments from his side.
cricket is a team game.
and when one person has become so divisive then no matter how good he is he has to go.
This isn't 1 or 2 who couldn't stand KP it sounds like virtually the whole team didn't/doesn't want him. Players in all teams can have fall outs or not get on with various team members. But KP took this to a whole new level by all accounts.
There is only 1 person to blame for this. KP himself. He should have drawn a line under the sand, apologised, and got his head down playing cricket. But he has made a circus around his selection ever since he was dropped.
and when one person has become so divisive then no matter how good he is he has to go.
This isn't 1 or 2 who couldn't stand KP it sounds like virtually the whole team didn't/doesn't want him. Players in all teams can have fall outs or not get on with various team members. But KP took this to a whole new level by all accounts.
There is only 1 person to blame for this. KP himself. He should have drawn a line under the sand, apologised, and got his head down playing cricket. But he has made a circus around his selection ever since he was dropped.
This isn't 1 or 2 who couldn't stand KP it sounds like virtually the whole team didn't/doesn't want him.
just not true.
just not true.
KP is kn0b jockey..he should never play for England again
May 11, 2015 -- 11:39PM, DStyle wrote:
This isn't 1 or 2 who couldn't stand KP it sounds like virtually the whole team didn't/doesn't want him. just not true.
It was true. But some of that changing room has gone now. But given the amount of bullying that supposedly goes on in the England changing room, it's a fair guess that the younger players would be under pressure not to want KP back.
The Captain doesn't want him back.
Be interesting to see what chat Strauss comes away with tomorrow.
Be interesting to see what chat Strauss comes away with tomorrow.
Another debacle. I will most certainly be betting against England all summer, and I will enjoy their defeats. Myopic, spineless creatures.
The ECB just embarrassing themselves again. He is nowhere near as decisive as he is being portrayed.The likes of Broad are equally as bad. How he got away with the twitter account I will never know. The inconsistency is shocking.
He is still England's best player and all the ECB are doing is letting the fans down once again. The public want to watch him play. One of the few players you would get up at 3am to watch!! The opposition doesn't want to play against him.
All it does is mean that Strauss is now under ridiculous pressure from the outset. I for one hope he fails miserably and gets everything he deserves.
He is still England's best player and all the ECB are doing is letting the fans down once again. The public want to watch him play. One of the few players you would get up at 3am to watch!! The opposition doesn't want to play against him.
All it does is mean that Strauss is now under ridiculous pressure from the outset. I for one hope he fails miserably and gets everything he deserves.
strauss saying they can trust KP but isnt barred from the team in the future, how is he supposed to build trust without getting in the squad/playing for england???
KP was offered an advisory role for ODI cricket, so was trusted enough there.
this is about cook, just as was with downton. They are protecting a weak captain's weak captaincy from a strong individual.
this is about cook, just as was with downton. They are protecting a weak captain's weak captaincy from a strong individual.
They can't trust him to play, but they can trust him to advise?! the whole english management is a joke and strauss is yet another tool
strauss is basically finished before he's started
this issue will not go away while england keep losing and probably will hang around while cook, broad and anderson remain in the team
this issue will not go away while england keep losing and probably will hang around while cook, broad and anderson remain in the team
May 12, 2015 -- 1:19PM, tommycockles wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNexLoG19rg
hahahaha the bit abut johnny bairstow just got me, pissed myself laughing, gold absolute gold
KP is divisive - he devides those who want to win from those who are content with being in a team of losers.
Strauss talks about trust after they have shafted KP with the "give up the IPL and score loads of runs bollax"
it's the England team not a club selection where everyone has to get on like pals
select your best players and get on with it-the managers are getting loads of money for managing so ffs manage
I reckon (and hope) KP plays for Surrey all season and scores loads more runs
If Strauss thinks the way forward is keeping Cook as Captain then god help us all-the Aussies must be pissing themselves laughing.
I presume that Plunkett, Rashid, Finn et al will have to wait a lot longer for a game if Cook remains in charge
it's the England team not a club selection where everyone has to get on like pals
select your best players and get on with it-the managers are getting loads of money for managing so ffs manage
I reckon (and hope) KP plays for Surrey all season and scores loads more runs
If Strauss thinks the way forward is keeping Cook as Captain then god help us all-the Aussies must be pissing themselves laughing.
I presume that Plunkett, Rashid, Finn et al will have to wait a lot longer for a game if Cook remains in charge
what i dont understand is that Graves told kp to get his head down & score runs,but when interviewed for director of cricket Vaughan pulled out because he was told picking kp was a no no.Strauss obviously never had a problem with that ,but theres sure been some mealy mouthed underhand dealings.
Revenge is a dish best served cold. What a vindictive little doos Straus is.
When England get mashed up again in the Ashes and they come cap in hand to KP he should tell them to fack off. He's on a different planet from the other english batsmen.
I genuinely believe this is a decision that has come from Cook.
I suspect that he's said that he refuses to have him in the side while he is captain.
Think about Cook's "clearing the air" session with Agnew after Agnew had been complimentary about KP after the World Cup commentary stint.
Clearly, it's not just the minor beef at Sydney, but the book, and then the Telegraph column and the tweets. KP has made it very clear what he thinks of Cook as a captain, and it's almost certain that precious little Alastair wont have him in the side.
Why else offer the One Day role, away from Cook. How else could you veto selection of a player before the new coach has been selected. How can Strauss, on one hand, say that he's going to be hands off, whilst being so hands on on this single matter.
It's all about protecting the awful awful captaincy of Cook. A man who should never have been given the job.
I suspect that he's said that he refuses to have him in the side while he is captain.
Think about Cook's "clearing the air" session with Agnew after Agnew had been complimentary about KP after the World Cup commentary stint.
Clearly, it's not just the minor beef at Sydney, but the book, and then the Telegraph column and the tweets. KP has made it very clear what he thinks of Cook as a captain, and it's almost certain that precious little Alastair wont have him in the side.
Why else offer the One Day role, away from Cook. How else could you veto selection of a player before the new coach has been selected. How can Strauss, on one hand, say that he's going to be hands off, whilst being so hands on on this single matter.
It's all about protecting the awful awful captaincy of Cook. A man who should never have been given the job.
my best guess is that Graves made his initial statement concerning kp,then there was a backlash in the dressing room with Cook & his mates threatening to walk out if kp was reinstated.player power rules.Strauss's appt no doubt rubber stamped by cook.i hope they get smashed this summer.
sorry dstyle never saw your post,great minds & all that.
its a new broom and new era, clearly Cook and Strauss are happy to put him out with the trash. Everybody move on,he is a divisive character, the Captain would no doubt be undermined at some time in the locker room by KP and they are starting as they mean to carry on. Strauss has his issues and why blame him for not wanting to share the same air as KP? KP has brought it all on himself with his previous behaviour and actions,it is tough and often in life there is a fair bit of give and take in any priveleged position. KP has been very quick to take, maybe he is a changed man knowing the clock is running on his career, its too late. He could score 3000 runs over the next month to no avail,at least everybody knows the situation and can move on.
indeed they do barrowboy.
the point is that trust between Strauss and KP is completely and utterly irrelevant. it's got nothing to do with anything. strauss personal relationship with the players is of no consequence to the role.
Kp's relationship with the captain and the coaching staff on the other hand.....
and one of those hasn't been decided.
the point is that trust between Strauss and KP is completely and utterly irrelevant. it's got nothing to do with anything. strauss personal relationship with the players is of no consequence to the role.
Kp's relationship with the captain and the coaching staff on the other hand.....
and one of those hasn't been decided.
Perhaps KP is divisive because he has, in the past, pointed out the limitations of Cook's captaincy and Flower's flawed dogma.
The press love to assume that he's the Loki to Cook's Thor and Flower's Odin, when I prefer to think of him an officer on the bridge of the titanic telling everyone about the f*cking massive iceberg in front of them, with the Captain and XO telling him to shut up and stop being divisive.
The press love to assume that he's the Loki to Cook's Thor and Flower's Odin, when I prefer to think of him an officer on the bridge of the titanic telling everyone about the f*cking massive iceberg in front of them, with the Captain and XO telling him to shut up and stop being divisive.
i cant imagine gillespie accepting being told who he can or cant work with.
It's all getting very tedious again. The ECB have handled the whole affair appallingly.
We should be focussing on the likes of Hales, Taylor et al who are improving players.
As for KP and his alleged misdemenours...he played in all 5 tests in OZ whilst those around him were being dropped. That was very odd, given the fact there has been 'a loss of trust'.
His book was ugly and angry but that only came later, after he was sacked for who knows what..
We should be focussing on the likes of Hales, Taylor et al who are improving players.
As for KP and his alleged misdemenours...he played in all 5 tests in OZ whilst those around him were being dropped. That was very odd, given the fact there has been 'a loss of trust'.
His book was ugly and angry but that only came later, after he was sacked for who knows what..
makes a lot of sense saying this is all down to cook
can't imagine gillespie getting involved with this shower for a minute. even if england were a good side he's got 3 or 4 young children and it would be mean being away from them for 9 months a year at least
can't imagine gillespie getting involved with this shower for a minute. even if england were a good side he's got 3 or 4 young children and it would be mean being away from them for 9 months a year at least
a little video about the hated and divisive KP:
https://youtu.be/V6Huf9BVu-c
https://youtu.be/V6Huf9BVu-c
if they lose to NZ (PROBABLE) and the remit for the new coach is that he cant have the best players in the squad then getting a decent coach could be pretty difficult
especially if that coach's first entry on his CV will be a 5-0 pasting by the Aussies, and almost certainly being hung out to dry by AS and co. at some time in the
future, after all it wont be the ECB or Strauss's fault will it?
especially if that coach's first entry on his CV will be a 5-0 pasting by the Aussies, and almost certainly being hung out to dry by AS and co. at some time in the
future, after all it wont be the ECB or Strauss's fault will it?
any coach with any sense of self preservation will wait until next year before considering taking the job. the next 9 months could hardly be tougher
Vaughan reckons that KP has been misled and mistreated.
GOOD.
I just hope it was a deliberate ploy by the ECB to build up his hopes of a swift return.
The man is a self-serving mercenary.
GOOD.
I just hope it was a deliberate ploy by the ECB to build up his hopes of a swift return.
The man is a self-serving mercenary.
cricket is entertainment,kp is box office,bet there'll be more kids playing in the back garden pretending to be kp than cook this summer.
I cannot see myself cheering for the Convicts this summer but I just want England to lose. England cricket fans are becoming the Newcastle fans of the cricket World. I can imagine the ECB Board in a Spanish Brothel laughing at all of us who pay up to $90 a ticket.
No trust... take an advisory role to help us build a strategy for English Cricket! WTF
Hoist with his own petard!
No trust... take an advisory role to help us build a strategy for English Cricket! WTF
Hoist with his own petard!
The problem is, cricket is a team game.
Nobody denies KP's ability but in the words of Andrew Strauss, he's a cuunt.
Nobody denies KP's ability but in the words of Andrew Strauss, he's a cuunt.
Its very simple England have to win all series this summer or look very very stupid.
Maybe its a ploy to get the team playing-who knows.Cricket suffers from antiquated coaching/management/player development systems-get into the 21 centuary
Maybe its a ploy to get the team playing-who knows.Cricket suffers from antiquated coaching/management/player development systems-get into the 21 centuary
He had his chance but couldn't just get on with it and play, they are better off without him, he wouldn't be the difference between winning and losing anyway.
Indeed.
Some KP loving mugs are going on as if he's Don Bradman.
It's as if he wasn't part of the side that got hammered 5-0 eighteen months ago.
Some KP loving mugs are going on as if he's Don Bradman.
It's as if he wasn't part of the side that got hammered 5-0 eighteen months ago.
a lot of teams have players who don't get on with other team members.
But KP apparently took this to a whole new different level.
Most of us haven't prob heard of half the stuff that has gone on.
Time to move forward without KP.
No doubt in the fullness in time and when playing careers are over more will be revealed.
But KP apparently took this to a whole new different level.
Most of us haven't prob heard of half the stuff that has gone on.
Time to move forward without KP.
No doubt in the fullness in time and when playing careers are over more will be revealed.
The english would not know their arse from their elbow with regards to KP. The most prolific run scorer in english cricket with a test average of just over 47. Better than Gooch Gower and Atherton to name a few and because certain tarts can't get on with him they stop him from playing. As an Aussie I'm delighted he won't be playing but it's the typical english way , lets select some loser in place of him because he's upset a few people. Top players in the game know he should be playing. Keep going with Cook and co and things will get worse and worse. The upshot of it all is that they have not got one world class player in the side and they have one sitting on the sidelines. Incredible stupidity.
well as an aussie you can fecking pick him then!
he will play for any test playing team that will have him.
he will play for any test playing team that will have him.
One of the earlier posters summed it up well. How many kids will be trying to emulate Root Cook Bell and co. Answer none of them. They want to be entertained and see the best that England can offer and they are not going to be too happy watching this bunch of losers this summer. Would love him in the Aussie side. Remember Ponting and Warney not exactly seeing eye to eye on countless occasions but they did not let it get in the way of the team effort. Strauss has made himself look terribly silly imo.
How many time did Ponting and Warney go running to the opposition divulging the inner workings of the Australian team though?
His comments he has made last day or so has shown exactly why he wasn't brought back.
KP thinks he is bigger than the Eng team, that's the problem.
Eng should pick players who are English/Welsh. There should be a strict criteria.
Such as born in Eng, or moved to Eng before the age of say 14.
KP is South African and really should have wanted to play for them.
KP thinks he is bigger than the Eng team, that's the problem.
Eng should pick players who are English/Welsh. There should be a strict criteria.
Such as born in Eng, or moved to Eng before the age of say 14.
KP is South African and really should have wanted to play for them.
All this team game rubbish. Cricket is a game full of individual talents.
An over isn't filled with a team bowling, it is one man, against 1 batsman. The rest are there to help, sure, but for the most part, cricket is an accumulation of individuals scores.
Take the current game.
Surrey scored 557 runs. That is the team score. That wasn't an equal shared job by all players, that was KP carrying the team to that score. No other player made more than 36 runs.
Yes, it took other players holding on as long as they could. But it also took KP inspiring the other players to do so.
Fall of wickets.
6/241
7/283
8/317
9/418
10/557
He had a 9th wicket partnership of 101 runs, where his mate made 30, and a 139 run 10th wicket partnership with a guy that made 5 runs.
Surrey of course, are extremely happy to have him play for them. Not only does he score runs for them, but they utilise his experience by mentoring the other players, and passing his knowledge on. That is what you do with the great players.
It is extremely rare, to find a player of any ability, that doesn't believe in themselves. That is the whole point. Mohammed Ali, considered the greatest boxer of all time in many circles, and possibly the greatest sportsman of all time. How modest was he? His speeches of himself claiming how great he was, are seen as inspirational.
KP believes in himself, and he is seen as a ****, purely because some pompous cricketers in a position of power wish to send that message and the public buy into it.
The facts of the matter here, are KP was selected in the team to play under other peoples rules, and if he ever questioned the direction, he was publicly outed for it as being "divisive". Simple facts are, he of course was right and those in charge didn't like hearing it.
People have a problem with somebody talking themselves up? Get over yourselves. The guy talks himself up as somebody that loves to play for England, somebody that deserves to play for England, and on the day he has a meeting deciding his future with England cricket, he smashes 300 runs in a day, on his way to 355 not out, carrying a team that can't win a game to a position of strength. Hmmm, England anybody?
And to do that, of course he knocked back 250k pounds.
And people have the hide to call him a mercenary? At the back end of his career when everybody else is trying to cash in as much as possible to retire, he is giving up lucrative contracts, to play county cricket to fulfill his desire to play for England, on the back of being treated as the scapegoat for all their failings for the last decade.
Divisive mercenary? No, just somebody that believes in their ability and believes in their knowledge of the game. Somebody that loves playing for his country enough to warrant bringing up issues, against the boys club.
If you don't like the way something is being done, and you believe you have the knowledge of how to do it better, then you stand up and say it. An admirable trait IMO. Much better than the sheep mentality that believe because somebody was voted in, that they must have all the answers and never be questioned. We as the people, must never question authority, and do as we are told.
Worked well so far after all.........
An over isn't filled with a team bowling, it is one man, against 1 batsman. The rest are there to help, sure, but for the most part, cricket is an accumulation of individuals scores.
Take the current game.
Surrey scored 557 runs. That is the team score. That wasn't an equal shared job by all players, that was KP carrying the team to that score. No other player made more than 36 runs.
Yes, it took other players holding on as long as they could. But it also took KP inspiring the other players to do so.
Fall of wickets.
6/241
7/283
8/317
9/418
10/557
He had a 9th wicket partnership of 101 runs, where his mate made 30, and a 139 run 10th wicket partnership with a guy that made 5 runs.
Surrey of course, are extremely happy to have him play for them. Not only does he score runs for them, but they utilise his experience by mentoring the other players, and passing his knowledge on. That is what you do with the great players.
It is extremely rare, to find a player of any ability, that doesn't believe in themselves. That is the whole point. Mohammed Ali, considered the greatest boxer of all time in many circles, and possibly the greatest sportsman of all time. How modest was he? His speeches of himself claiming how great he was, are seen as inspirational.
KP believes in himself, and he is seen as a ****, purely because some pompous cricketers in a position of power wish to send that message and the public buy into it.
The facts of the matter here, are KP was selected in the team to play under other peoples rules, and if he ever questioned the direction, he was publicly outed for it as being "divisive". Simple facts are, he of course was right and those in charge didn't like hearing it.
People have a problem with somebody talking themselves up? Get over yourselves. The guy talks himself up as somebody that loves to play for England, somebody that deserves to play for England, and on the day he has a meeting deciding his future with England cricket, he smashes 300 runs in a day, on his way to 355 not out, carrying a team that can't win a game to a position of strength. Hmmm, England anybody?
And to do that, of course he knocked back 250k pounds.
And people have the hide to call him a mercenary? At the back end of his career when everybody else is trying to cash in as much as possible to retire, he is giving up lucrative contracts, to play county cricket to fulfill his desire to play for England, on the back of being treated as the scapegoat for all their failings for the last decade.
Divisive mercenary? No, just somebody that believes in their ability and believes in their knowledge of the game. Somebody that loves playing for his country enough to warrant bringing up issues, against the boys club.
If you don't like the way something is being done, and you believe you have the knowledge of how to do it better, then you stand up and say it. An admirable trait IMO. Much better than the sheep mentality that believe because somebody was voted in, that they must have all the answers and never be questioned. We as the people, must never question authority, and do as we are told.
Worked well so far after all.........
it is worth noting, that when trust and team bonding must have been an absolute low in the english side, england came as close to beating South Africa as they would manage all series, an achievement that would have given their world #1 ranking true legitimacy, largely down to the performance of Pietersen.
maleuk01. 12 May 15 22:36
a lot of teams have players who don't get on with other team members.
But KP apparently took this to a whole new different level.
Most of us haven't prob heard of half the stuff that has gone on.
Time to move forward without KP.
No doubt in the fullness in time and when playing careers are over more will be revealed.
do you really believe this.
this has been such an unmitigated PR disaster for the ECB, and still we haven't heard the real reasons. there was the "dodgy dossier" but where the f*ck is it? the legal restrictions have long since been lifted.
we saw that sh1tty spreadsheet, but that reflected more poorly on Flower than it did on KP.
do you think thee ECB just want to keep this information from us to prolong their humiliation and keep this discussion going on and on and on.
The rift in the team was between Flower and his sycophantic and indulged coterie and KP. KP's sacking was a vindictive parting shot from Flower. Strauss is acting like a spiteful ex, denying the kids access to get revenge to the detriment of all.
a lot of teams have players who don't get on with other team members.
But KP apparently took this to a whole new different level.
Most of us haven't prob heard of half the stuff that has gone on.
Time to move forward without KP.
No doubt in the fullness in time and when playing careers are over more will be revealed.
do you really believe this.
this has been such an unmitigated PR disaster for the ECB, and still we haven't heard the real reasons. there was the "dodgy dossier" but where the f*ck is it? the legal restrictions have long since been lifted.
we saw that sh1tty spreadsheet, but that reflected more poorly on Flower than it did on KP.
do you think thee ECB just want to keep this information from us to prolong their humiliation and keep this discussion going on and on and on.
The rift in the team was between Flower and his sycophantic and indulged coterie and KP. KP's sacking was a vindictive parting shot from Flower. Strauss is acting like a spiteful ex, denying the kids access to get revenge to the detriment of all.
Can see demonstrations at cricket grounds this summer.
Demonstrations LMAO..he's just a treacherous, self-indulgent South African MERCENARY.
Non-english posters on here just don't get it
Non-english posters on here just don't get it
He was never going to be picked was he? Pick him and eng win and it's down to k.P pick him and eng lose and it was a 'desperate measure' etc. I saw an interview with an oldish woman spectator who summed it up with something like 'If the English management can't handle a maverick then maybe they aren't good enough to be the English management'. Same goes for the captain.
not demonstrations. I can see strauss and cook getting booed though.
and they'll deserve it a f*ck site more than nasser hussain did after losing to new zealand.
and they'll deserve it a f*ck site more than nasser hussain did after losing to new zealand.
May 13, 2015 -- 9:54AM, giggitygiggity wrote:
Demonstrations LMAO..he's just a treacherous, self-indulgent South African MERCENARY.Non-english posters on here just don't get it
He's half English, half SA, just like Nasser is half English, half Indian!
We are an old colonial country, we are bound to have individuals from all parts of the commonwealth. Trott's family were all old English heritage, but his mother and father were born in SA.
May 13, 2015 -- 9:00AM, DStyle wrote:
it is worth noting, that when trust and team bonding must have been an absolute low in the english side, england came as close to beating South Africa as they would manage all series, an achievement that would have given their world #1 ranking true legitimacy, largely down to the performance of Pietersen.
He was also extremely instrumental in our series win in India & our last test match win in Sri Lanka.
of course jucel, it just always seems that the plenty of people choose certain labels to highlight their prejudice.
my favourite is Newman in the mail, who fails to notice the ambiguity when he uses the epithets Former England Captain and South African born batsman to describe Strauss and Pietersen respectively.
my favourite is Newman in the mail, who fails to notice the ambiguity when he uses the epithets Former England Captain and South African born batsman to describe Strauss and Pietersen respectively.
The India series win was for me, and i include the away Ashes victory, the greatest win of Flower's tenure.
India, so desperate to prove a point about home conditions, bullied some of their most respected groundsmen into producing some of the filthiest wickets ever seen and we still beat them.
What's more it highlighted the need for the side to include and embrace more than the simple dogma of conservatism and attrition that Flower championed.
You need the attrition and discipline of Cook and Trott and the skill of Swann, but you also have to have the mavericks like Panesar and Pietersen. The two need to co-exist and be nurtured.
It was deeply ironic that the side took a massive backwards step as soon as they flew back, and has death-spiralled ever since.
India, so desperate to prove a point about home conditions, bullied some of their most respected groundsmen into producing some of the filthiest wickets ever seen and we still beat them.
What's more it highlighted the need for the side to include and embrace more than the simple dogma of conservatism and attrition that Flower championed.
You need the attrition and discipline of Cook and Trott and the skill of Swann, but you also have to have the mavericks like Panesar and Pietersen. The two need to co-exist and be nurtured.
It was deeply ironic that the side took a massive backwards step as soon as they flew back, and has death-spiralled ever since.
The hypocrisy of the English is astounding. They have had plenty of South African and Zimbabwe born players play for them Alan Lamb Robin Smith and Graham Hick to name a few. If you had have relied on English born players in the past you would be on the same level as Holland now.
May 13, 2015 -- 12:10PM, DStyle wrote:
The India series win was for me, and i include the away Ashes victory, the greatest win of Flower's tenure.India, so desperate to prove a point about home conditions, bullied some of their most respected groundsmen into producing some of the filthiest wickets ever seen and we still beat them.What's more it highlighted the need for the side to include and embrace more than the simple dogma of conservatism and attrition that Flower championed.You need the attrition and discipline of Cook and Trott and the skill of Swann, but you also have to have the mavericks like Panesar and Pietersen. The two need to co-exist and be nurtured. It was deeply ironic that the side took a massive backwards step as soon as they flew back, and has death-spiralled ever since.
One of my favourite & most profitable series of recent times. I've really enjoyed the Indian home series of recent times, since the Indian Board reverted back to spinning tracks!
May 13, 2015 -- 12:12PM, Try My Best wrote:
The hypocrisy of the English is astounding. They have had plenty of South African and Zimbabwe born players play for them Alan Lamb Robin Smith and Graham Hick to name a few. If you had have relied on English born players in the past you would be on the same level as Holland now.
A lot of players have also been born overseas to English parents. It's part and parcel of a smaller world and the fact we had a massive colony.
It's different when you specifically leave your country for money.
Can someone please justify his texts to the South African team please...
Can someone please justify his texts to the South African team please...
no i can't.
but i can't justify broad and swann's involvement with the fake kp twitter account either.
but what's more, is that, whilst there was a very strong case for permanently and irreversibly excluding KP from the side for those messages at that time, they chose not to, he was reintegrated and it was considered a closed case.
Strauss has no business enforcing further punishment at a later date, particularly given his total lack of objectivity over the matter.
but i can't justify broad and swann's involvement with the fake kp twitter account either.
but what's more, is that, whilst there was a very strong case for permanently and irreversibly excluding KP from the side for those messages at that time, they chose not to, he was reintegrated and it was considered a closed case.
Strauss has no business enforcing further punishment at a later date, particularly given his total lack of objectivity over the matter.
I don't think his telegraph column helped much either. particularly his comments about Cook's captaincy.
I think it's easy for everyone to latch onto the strawman about whether Pietersen should play or whether you like him or not, or whether he's an utter see you next tuesday.
Nearly all the anger is about whether we are selecting our best side or not and that petty vendettas and personalities aren't getting in the way.
I think many people can accept that despite being an exceptional talent, that Pietersen's inclusion may well improve the batting stock, he may also drag the team down with his bullshit and that the net effect of his inclusion may be negative. But someone, particularly if they are promising to be "open and honest" has to make a legitimate attempt to qualify this idea. Not nebulous horseshit which they refuse to expound on.
The issue for me is that I really suspect the veto has come from Cook. And I don't see how his interminably sh1t captaincy could be further weakened by a frontal lobotomy, let alone the inclusion of Pietersen.
I think it's easy for everyone to latch onto the strawman about whether Pietersen should play or whether you like him or not, or whether he's an utter see you next tuesday.
Nearly all the anger is about whether we are selecting our best side or not and that petty vendettas and personalities aren't getting in the way.
I think many people can accept that despite being an exceptional talent, that Pietersen's inclusion may well improve the batting stock, he may also drag the team down with his bullshit and that the net effect of his inclusion may be negative. But someone, particularly if they are promising to be "open and honest" has to make a legitimate attempt to qualify this idea. Not nebulous horseshit which they refuse to expound on.
The issue for me is that I really suspect the veto has come from Cook. And I don't see how his interminably sh1t captaincy could be further weakened by a frontal lobotomy, let alone the inclusion of Pietersen.
Wouldn't argue with any of that DStyle. They should bite the bullet with Cook and sack him. Get Root in.
I can't see any way that Cook is going to beat Australia.
I can't see any way that Cook is going to beat Australia.
This a comment from KP on Twitter: "Morning all, after a pretty bad day yesterday I've given it a lot of thought overnight. I'm applying for the coaching job! " To me like I said before, KP thinks of himself before the team. I know I keep comparing to Aussie players but when they get dropped they cop it on the chin and move on. Sure I don't mind if a player comes out and says with intent what he aims to do in the next year or future but asking or begging to be selected is another kettle of fish. I don't mind a bit of arrogance in a player but do you want a teammate that is poking fun, making snide remarks, laughing at the team performance when they are doing badly, ridiculing the ECB about how the game is run? I watched the 2014/15 Ashes and KP's body language was a disgrace, his batting was on the decline and he look disinterested.
2nd highest average in that series when he was disinterested. Still better than the other planks in the side.
I don't know about you guys but I wouldn't be able to stand working with a guy that is up himself. I can imagine what those English teammates had to go through. Every 2nd tweet, KP has on Twitter, is 1. about how good he is 2. about how many runs he has scored in the past 3. ridiculing anything related to English cricket. I think that's one thing I learnt about life as well, you don't want to listen to someone ramble on about 'how good they are'. "I have over 13000 international runs! I top scored in my last series...I have 1000's more in me for England! " Could you ever imagine Steve Waugh or Sachin Tendulkar coming out and saying that?
"I don't know about you guys but I wouldn't be able to stand working with a guy that is up himself."
depends on whether he helped the side to win test matches or not.
depends on whether he helped the side to win test matches or not.
yep this new team ethic and trust has certainly helped england win a lot of matches since last january
think they lost the most matches by top 8 team in the history of cricket in 2014
think they lost the most matches by top 8 team in the history of cricket in 2014
down to 7th in the test rankings if we lose this series against the kiwis.
just above the "mediocre" west indies.
just above the "mediocre" west indies.
bit given that our new middle order batsman, T. Rust is going score a double century in every innings, we shouldn't have to worry about that happening.
you wonder what the newer members of the dressing room who don't or hardly know KP make of it. they must be totally bemused
for sure if they didn't know beforehand they'll now be very wary of doing anything to upset cook, broad or anderson. that hardly makes for a dressing room conducive to winning cricket matches
for sure if they didn't know beforehand they'll now be very wary of doing anything to upset cook, broad or anderson. that hardly makes for a dressing room conducive to winning cricket matches
May 13, 2015 -- 10:32AM, spyker wrote:
He was never going to be picked was he? Pick him and eng win and it's down to k.P pick him and eng lose and it was a 'desperate measure' etc. I saw an interview with an oldish woman spectator who summed it up with something like 'If the English management can't handle a maverick then maybe they aren't good enough to be the English management'. Same goes for the captain.
Think that sums it up very well. KP has probably never been managed very well. While everything was rosy, it didn't matter and nobody probably cared about managing a maverick, but now that things have changed, both KP and English cricket are suffering the consequences.
May 13, 2015 -- 2:11PM, West Coast Eagles wrote:
I don't know about you guys but I wouldn't be able to stand working with a guy that is up himself. I can imagine what those English teammates had to go through. Every 2nd tweet, KP has on Twitter, is 1. about how good he is 2. about how many runs he has scored in the past 3. ridiculing anything related to English cricket. I think that's one thing I learnt about life as well, you don't want to listen to someone ramble on about 'how good they are'. "I have over 13000 international runs! I top scored in my last series...I have 1000's more in me for England!
May 13, 2015 -- 2:11PM, West Coast Eagles wrote:
I don't know about you guys but I wouldn't be able to stand working with a guy that is up himself. I can imagine what those English teammates had to go through. Every 2nd tweet, KP has on Twitter, is 1. about how good he is 2. about how many runs he has scored in the past 3. ridiculing anything related to English cricket. I think that's one thing I learnt about life as well, you don't want to listen to someone ramble on about 'how good they are'. "I have over 13000 international runs! I top scored in my last series...I have 1000's more in me for England! " Could you ever imagine Steve Waugh or Sachin Tendulkar coming out and saying that?
>He ain't the only member of the England cricket like this though. And secondly, there's not a lot wrong with thinking you're great, when you correctly think you're great. Yes, there's a difference between arrogance and being magnanimous, but it's not like he's a terrible player with a totally over-inflated ego.
May 13, 2015 -- 4:07PM, mafeking wrote:
you wonder what the newer members of the dressing room who don't or hardly know KP make of it. they must be totally bemusedfor sure if they didn't know beforehand they'll now be very wary of doing anything to upset cook, broad or anderson. that hardly makes for a dressing room conducive to winning cricket matches
Unless they have been living under a rock, they'll know he's a c0ckhead
May 12, 2015 -- 1:14PM, mafeking wrote:
strauss is basically finished before he's startedthis issue will not go away while england keep losing and probably will hang around while cook, broad and anderson remain in the team
Don't mind Cook but a can't stand Broad and Anderson. I almost support the other team when they play... which is every game.
30 years ago or so i went to a golf pro am, and some cricketers were playing.
one of the cricketers (an england international) was a guest speaker at the evening dinner,
he was great, and some of his stories were based around the eccentricities of the dressing room
and interplays between the characters involved.
kp would seem to fit right into these stories, except back then the players were not
so petty.
one of the cricketers (an england international) was a guest speaker at the evening dinner,
he was great, and some of his stories were based around the eccentricities of the dressing room
and interplays between the characters involved.
kp would seem to fit right into these stories, except back then the players were not
so petty.
thats right donny,there seems to be train of thought that 'difficult'players is a new phenomenon,some of the england squad need to stop being so precious & concentrate solely on winning cricket matches.For what its worth i reckon Cook will be out on his by the end of the 3rd ashes test anyway.
I manage a U13s side playing in the respective highest county division, the lads who score the most runs have that ego, arrogance and can be a pain in the neck at times. I would never want to be without them though, as we would never win a match. KP is a match winner, just needed better man management.
sure a lot of this harks back to jealousy over his IPL contract. can guarantee if the likes of broad, anderson, swann and prior had had $1M contracts as well the petty squabbling wouldn't have got out of hand like this
May 14, 2015 -- 2:00PM, mafeking wrote:
sure a lot of this harks back to jealousy over his IPL contract. can guarantee if the likes of broad, anderson, swann and prior had had $1M contracts as well the petty squabbling wouldn't have got out of hand like this
100% agree with this
Huge focus on KP but the real villains are the ECB, have been for some time and look like being so in the immediate future.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for KP because he has brought this upon himself. That said it's history. He can't undo the past but enough water has passed under that bridge. England should have picked him and given him a chance to make amends. he could have given invaluable advice to players like Root and Butler. The ECB have missed a great opportunity again.
The people I feel sorry for most is people like me who will in all probablity keep paying 90 sovs but will not see the best England batsman since Boycott and Cowdrey and the men I didn't actually see in the 50's. He certainly was worth every penny of the entrance fee.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for KP because he has brought this upon himself. That said it's history. He can't undo the past but enough water has passed under that bridge. England should have picked him and given him a chance to make amends. he could have given invaluable advice to players like Root and Butler. The ECB have missed a great opportunity again.
The people I feel sorry for most is people like me who will in all probablity keep paying 90 sovs but will not see the best England batsman since Boycott and Cowdrey and the men I didn't actually see in the 50's. He certainly was worth every penny of the entrance fee.
quite.
the KP bonfire was burning brightly after Downton sacked him, but over the course of 15 months slowly burnt out to a gentle smoulder.
Graves came along and told KP to start stocking up on firewood, and a few weeks later Strauss and Harrison appeared, chucked it all on the bonfire and threw on 6 gallons of petrol and half a kilo of gunpowder for good measure.
at the same time, they told everyone they were doing it to be honest and open, whilst being egregiously mendacious and completely nontransparent.
there's a good line from dave tickner on the Geek and friends podcast (https://soundcloud.com/geek-friends/geek-friends-89-massive-trust-issues), suggesting that had Strauss just come out and said, "I'm not picking him because I think he's an utter c()nt" it would have been a massive improvement on how they actually chose to handle it.
the KP bonfire was burning brightly after Downton sacked him, but over the course of 15 months slowly burnt out to a gentle smoulder.
Graves came along and told KP to start stocking up on firewood, and a few weeks later Strauss and Harrison appeared, chucked it all on the bonfire and threw on 6 gallons of petrol and half a kilo of gunpowder for good measure.
at the same time, they told everyone they were doing it to be honest and open, whilst being egregiously mendacious and completely nontransparent.
there's a good line from dave tickner on the Geek and friends podcast (https://soundcloud.com/geek-friends/geek-friends-89-massive-trust-issues), suggesting that had Strauss just come out and said, "I'm not picking him because I think he's an utter c()nt" it would have been a massive improvement on how they actually chose to handle it.
Not sure Strauss does transparency!!
The KP think is very boring.
My least concern is the middle order... My main concern is the balance of the bowling and the type of batters we want early doors.
A coach with any imagination would have Hales in there. Butler at 8? Do me a favour..
The KP think is very boring.
My least concern is the middle order... My main concern is the balance of the bowling and the type of batters we want early doors.
A coach with any imagination would have Hales in there. Butler at 8? Do me a favour..
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