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Has a more repulsive, childish, backstabbing idiot ever lived?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevinpietersen/11142212/Kevin-Piete...
Backstabbing? The way he has been treated I am surprised he was so nice about his reporting of the truth of English cricket.
“The thing that horrified me the most was when Andy Flower and Andrew Strauss in Bangalore before the one-day internationals said: 'Guys we’ve got to stop this, it’s not right for the team, there are guys that have come to [us] that are intimidated to field the ball.’ And they [the bowlers] had the audacity to stand there and say: 'No, if they’ve f----- up we deserve an apology.’ It’s the most angry I ever got in that dressing room. I thought, I reckon I could hit these guys. Who do you think you are, to ask for an apology from someone who’s trying his heart out, who’s playing for his country, who’s making a mistake?
ive always thought swann and broad were bellends, this confirms it, no f ucking way id apologise for making a mistake, the person hasnt dropped it on purpose has he
it's a funny read, not least because of kev's predictably high level of self regard.
but it confirms something that's been quite obvious for some time, no matter how conceited kev might be, our bowling clique is far more arrogant.
the celebration of swann's gallon in brisbane, their blatant on field disagreements with their captain this summer, their refusal to change tactics, show them up in a very bad light.
yet, for some reason, it's tolerated, whereas pietersen's actions were not despite his being an undisputedly better player than either broad, swann or anderson.
but it confirms something that's been quite obvious for some time, no matter how conceited kev might be, our bowling clique is far more arrogant.
the celebration of swann's gallon in brisbane, their blatant on field disagreements with their captain this summer, their refusal to change tactics, show them up in a very bad light.
yet, for some reason, it's tolerated, whereas pietersen's actions were not despite his being an undisputedly better player than either broad, swann or anderson.
I agree something is not right too. We are not really in a position to know what is going on but the impression of a bowlers clique does exist. Sometimes our bowlers have thrown down filth and they appear untouchable.
Am just looking forward to some bitchy gossip now. It is hard to feel too sorry for KP at times but I have some sympathy for him. I enjoyed watching him bat and without doubt he was the best English batsman since 1970.
Am just looking forward to some bitchy gossip now. It is hard to feel too sorry for KP at times but I have some sympathy for him. I enjoyed watching him bat and without doubt he was the best English batsman since 1970.
it appears that the dressing room was such a poisonous vipers nest it was a minor miracle england kept winning everything between 2009 and 2011
don't think anyone is surprised about the relevations about the bowlers
don't think anyone is surprised about the relevations about the bowlers
Can anyone tell me a team that Pieterson hasn't disrupted since he started playing cricket. Once the balance between his talent and his personality tips to far towards a negative contribution then he is simply not worth the baggage he brings with him.
the england side under vaughan & fletcher.
the delhi daredevils.
surrey.
the delhi daredevils.
surrey.
and you shouldn't forget that friction needs two surfaces.
i'm not defending the fact that he's a bit of a pr1ck, who's exceedingly far up himself, clearly he is. he's also not that bright and probably pretty insecure.
but what i've suspected for a long long time, is that our bowlers, in particular broad, anderson and swann have been the surface he's rubbed against and they are just as responsible for the breakdown in relations as he is.
i'm not defending the fact that he's a bit of a pr1ck, who's exceedingly far up himself, clearly he is. he's also not that bright and probably pretty insecure.
but what i've suspected for a long long time, is that our bowlers, in particular broad, anderson and swann have been the surface he's rubbed against and they are just as responsible for the breakdown in relations as he is.
Pietersen's fate confirms that there's no swifter route to becoming loathed than hard work, talent and success.
yep even the hacks who couldn't stand him said he was the most professional player they've ever seen. always first in and last out of the nets and no chance of him being involved late night shenanigans on tour
Exactly, maf.
I wonder whether he'd like to turn out occasionally for Zum now that Matthew Maynard's in charge. Maynard was Fletcher's assistant in 2005 in happier times for Pietersen.
I wonder whether he'd like to turn out occasionally for Zum now that Matthew Maynard's in charge. Maynard was Fletcher's assistant in 2005 in happier times for Pietersen.
As usual with this type of book neither side comes out particularly well, but the arrogance of the bowlers' clique is worse than expected. As several posters have said, it explains a lot. Surprised that a fairly experienced batting line up put up with it (e.g. Strauss, Cook, Trott, KP, Bell, Colly). Can't believe it would have lasted long under the likes of Gatting, Gooch, Atherton, Stewart, Vaughan or even Gower.
my guess is that strauss tolerated it because they were winning, and let's not forget that Swann was very very good.
Cook is just a nebbish.
Cook is just a nebbish.
screaming, we could certainly do with a boost in our one day batting. we're pretty average these days far from the fearsome top 6 or 7 from 3 or 4 years ago. not surprising when you consider tres couldn't buy a run this year, buttler and pollard have gone and then kieswetter missed all the sunday league stuff with his horrific injury
Always someone else's fault. The coach, the captain, this bowler, that bowler, the wicket keeper etc etc.
The book extract is so one sided and is basiscally a moan at everyone else.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2782289/Kevin-Pietersen-tried-oust-Andrew-Strauss-England-ODI-captain-wooing-Andy-Flower.html
The book extract is so one sided and is basiscally a moan at everyone else.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2782289/Kevin-Pietersen-tried-oust-Andrew-Strauss-England-ODI-captain-wooing-Andy-Flower.html
tremlett going as far as he can to endorse KP's description of the dressing room culture.
presumably Carberry and Compton still biting their tongues.
presumably Carberry and Compton still biting their tongues.
All so childish, bordering on pathetic.
The ECB could have handled it all so differently if they had half a brain.
Whay exactly are man management skills so absent these days??
The ECB could have handled it all so differently if they had half a brain.
Whay exactly are man management skills so absent these days??
A lot of the problems are down to 'central contracts' which pay far too much to journeyman professional cricketers...they should be scrapped and the players should play regularly for their counties and be selected on merit for one test at a time.Might need to rejig the cricket programme to allow more county championship playing time but that could easily be done by scrapping the ridiculous hit and run aka 20/20 and reducing the plethora of one day matches.In the old days cricketers strived to play for England and were proud to do so;nowadays they just want the luxury of playing for England without the need to put in the effort.
listening to the radio 5 now. very interesting!
but but but posy, you don't want these poor little souls suffering from burnout !
By the way, anyone know what these burnt out England cricketers have done for the last month and will be doing for the next 2 months ?
By the way, anyone know what these burnt out England cricketers have done for the last month and will be doing for the next 2 months ?
The first smear has been released to cricinfo.com excerpts from the " dossier "
puer, oh puer, oh puer!
everybody's smelling of sheite!
puer, oh puer, oh puer!
everybody's smelling of sheite!
two pieces, both very good, both echoing the same sentiment.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/787801.html
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/07/the-spin-kevin-pietersen-book
but it is Andy Bull is the one who really makes the killer point:
In among all this bilious, vindictive, guff there are some brilliantly astute points about what really went wrong, with the England team, with Flower’s management, and with English cricket.
[but]All that is good will be lost. The advice will never reach the ears of those who need it most, and even if it does they’re unlikely to listen given the way in which it has been presented.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/787801.html
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/07/the-spin-kevin-pietersen-book
but it is Andy Bull is the one who really makes the killer point:
In among all this bilious, vindictive, guff there are some brilliantly astute points about what really went wrong, with the England team, with Flower’s management, and with English cricket.
[but]All that is good will be lost. The advice will never reach the ears of those who need it most, and even if it does they’re unlikely to listen given the way in which it has been presented.
and the leaked email is here
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/interactive/2014/oct/07/leaked-ashes-dossier-kevin-pietersen-pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/interactive/2014/oct/07/leaked-ashes-dossier-kevin-pietersen-pdf
"After playing a terrible shot to get out in one of his innings in the Fourth Test, KP returned to the England dressing room and in front of the younger England players, shouted "you lot are a bunch of useless c*nts".
I'd been saying that all series Kevin.
Although I wonder, was it the first innings when he was top scorer, and the 8th wicket, or the 2nd when he was second top scorer and the 9th wicket.
That line is a sad indictment of a conspiracy to remove him. You can argue the toss on whether he should be saying things like that to his teammates, we all saw Swann, Broad and Anderson do it on field, but in removing every element of the match context behind the dismissal, and the performance of his teammates in that match, you're clearly making stuff up to paint the picture you want.
I'd been saying that all series Kevin.
Although I wonder, was it the first innings when he was top scorer, and the 8th wicket, or the 2nd when he was second top scorer and the 9th wicket.
That line is a sad indictment of a conspiracy to remove him. You can argue the toss on whether he should be saying things like that to his teammates, we all saw Swann, Broad and Anderson do it on field, but in removing every element of the match context behind the dismissal, and the performance of his teammates in that match, you're clearly making stuff up to paint the picture you want.
yep dstyle, the tail enders averaged about 5 against johnson. who could blame him for having almighty slog at that stage of this series having seen what had gone before ?
would have be lucky to get the chance to score another 10 if he'd batted normally and stood at the other end watching the others get out
would have be lucky to get the chance to score another 10 if he'd batted normally and stood at the other end watching the others get out
well done kp
probably a couple of years too late to be meaningful
but well done all the same
probably a couple of years too late to be meaningful
but well done all the same
The guy appears to just not get on with anyone. No leader can have someone constantly undermining him. No team wants someone constantly saying negative stuff and not interested in meetings.
like the way the bowlers constantly undermine cook?
i'm not saying he's not in part responsible for his own sacking, but he's not exclusively to blame.
and you'll struggle to reach a fair appraisal of matters if you over rely on the dreadful paul newman's writing in the mail. he's long been known to have a gigantic anti-kp agenda.
i'm not saying he's not in part responsible for his own sacking, but he's not exclusively to blame.
and you'll struggle to reach a fair appraisal of matters if you over rely on the dreadful paul newman's writing in the mail. he's long been known to have a gigantic anti-kp agenda.
I don't disagree with that frog. I am sure we have all played in teams with players like that. Most often in amateur sport they move on to another team and have several clubs. In professional sport it is different but somebody or the team should have sorted him out in the dressing room. Not by bullying and the cold shoulder but by confronting him. The management could have dropped him for a couple of games to let them know the behaviour was unacceptible the players should have flushed his head down the toilet just to let him know everybody's sheite stinks.
The episode is not just a tragedy but shameful for all of us starting from the top. KP himself is not without blame but he was a professional sportsman and worked hard and should have been an example to the younger players and also to the senior pro's.
I remember the Kerry Packers circus. I remember how Tony " Grigg " the South African mercenary betrayed English Cricket and the game of cricket. I held that prejudice till his death. What I didn't know were the people like Doug Arsole and the like who ran the game. I think Arsole was also involved in the D'Oliveira incident. A classic tale of the white man speaking with forked tounge.
Greig helped changed cricket forever in a positive way. The people who run our game are still letting us down with their machinations. They have had their nose put out of joint by the Indians with the IPL and have everything they can to keep English players out of it. Now they are sucking up to them at the expense of Test Match Cricket the World over just to get their fingers in the pie. They disgust me.
I remember Aussie at Lords a couple of years ago. They were the most embarassing group to ever attempt to impersonate Australian cricketers. By the end of that match I almost felt sorry for any Australian who followed cricket. We should all hang our heads in shame but we should not have to put up with this.
The episode is not just a tragedy but shameful for all of us starting from the top. KP himself is not without blame but he was a professional sportsman and worked hard and should have been an example to the younger players and also to the senior pro's.
I remember the Kerry Packers circus. I remember how Tony " Grigg " the South African mercenary betrayed English Cricket and the game of cricket. I held that prejudice till his death. What I didn't know were the people like Doug Arsole and the like who ran the game. I think Arsole was also involved in the D'Oliveira incident. A classic tale of the white man speaking with forked tounge.
Greig helped changed cricket forever in a positive way. The people who run our game are still letting us down with their machinations. They have had their nose put out of joint by the Indians with the IPL and have everything they can to keep English players out of it. Now they are sucking up to them at the expense of Test Match Cricket the World over just to get their fingers in the pie. They disgust me.
I remember Aussie at Lords a couple of years ago. They were the most embarassing group to ever attempt to impersonate Australian cricketers. By the end of that match I almost felt sorry for any Australian who followed cricket. We should all hang our heads in shame but we should not have to put up with this.
spot the difference:
KP gets asked to speak to Piers Morgan about toning down his tweets during the Ashes.
(goes in the dossier)
ECB bury fake KP account clearly orchestrated by Broad and Swann.
KP gets asked to speak to Piers Morgan about toning down his tweets during the Ashes.
(goes in the dossier)
ECB bury fake KP account clearly orchestrated by Broad and Swann.
I think it's obvious to see what happened.
Flower tolerated certain behaviour from certain players that he wouldn't tolerate from KP, because that group was loyal to him and KP wasn't.
With neither prepared to compromise, KP became more isolated which accounts for a lot of his subsequent behaviour.
Yes, that makes him a precious pr1ck, but the relationship between Flower and KP is at the heart of all of this, and i'd wager that Flower is a crazed control freak who doesn't like to be challenged, and that's a massive personality defect in a coach.
Flower tolerated certain behaviour from certain players that he wouldn't tolerate from KP, because that group was loyal to him and KP wasn't.
With neither prepared to compromise, KP became more isolated which accounts for a lot of his subsequent behaviour.
Yes, that makes him a precious pr1ck, but the relationship between Flower and KP is at the heart of all of this, and i'd wager that Flower is a crazed control freak who doesn't like to be challenged, and that's a massive personality defect in a coach.
*personality defect in cricket.
doesn't hold for real teams sports, particularly kickball.
doesn't hold for real teams sports, particularly kickball.
KP played a type of cricket which was at complete odds with the team's philosophy, yet it changed the result of numerous games they played in for the better. Not one of them got that he played to a completely different risk reward ratio.
Ground and pound! Can you imagine Botham being told to bowl wide of off stump!
in that dossier it's claimed that Gooch gives KP a load of **** after getting out in Perth on the dressing room balcony.
I'd love to know how often the management castigated Broad and Anderson for bowling terribly for whole sessions, particularly at the tail, with the appalling short ball tactics.
But yet it has continued into the summer.
Do they have a go at them for not listening to their captain.
Or do they have a go at Bell for often being too aggressive too early in his innings.
Or Cook's huge weakness on a fifth stump line, and his inability to play through the V.
Is it just the way they play. Is it okay that "that's just the way they play" for them, but not for KP. Are his mistakes somehow more egregious than theirs.
I'd love to know how often the management castigated Broad and Anderson for bowling terribly for whole sessions, particularly at the tail, with the appalling short ball tactics.
But yet it has continued into the summer.
Do they have a go at them for not listening to their captain.
Or do they have a go at Bell for often being too aggressive too early in his innings.
Or Cook's huge weakness on a fifth stump line, and his inability to play through the V.
Is it just the way they play. Is it okay that "that's just the way they play" for them, but not for KP. Are his mistakes somehow more egregious than theirs.
So he didnt like the bowlers (4 players). Didnt like the wicket keeper (1 player). Not keen on the captain (1 player). Not complimentry about Carberry (1 player). He was not keen on the coach. So what have you got left? 3 players other than himself? How can a team operate like that?
Then if you look at the team Prior and Swann did not play in the last two tests.
4th Test
A N Cook*
M A Carberry
J E Root
K P Pietersen
I R Bell
B A Stokes
J M Bairstow†
T T Bresnan
S C J Broad
J M Anderson
M S Panesar
5th Test
A N Cook*
M A Carberry
I R Bell
K P Pietersen
G S Ballance
B A Stokes
J M Bairstow†
S G Borthwick
S C J Broad
J M Anderson
W B Rankin
So is it basically Broad and Anderson that caused him problems?
Then if you look at the team Prior and Swann did not play in the last two tests.
4th Test
A N Cook*
M A Carberry
J E Root
K P Pietersen
I R Bell
B A Stokes
J M Bairstow†
T T Bresnan
S C J Broad
J M Anderson
M S Panesar
5th Test
A N Cook*
M A Carberry
I R Bell
K P Pietersen
G S Ballance
B A Stokes
J M Bairstow†
S G Borthwick
S C J Broad
J M Anderson
W B Rankin
So is it basically Broad and Anderson that caused him problems?
To anybody born in the 70's or after read this. It is a timeline in what is known as the D'oliveira Affair.
In short a brown skinned cricketer came from Apartheid South Africa to play cricket. He was good enough to get into the England side and do well. This is a brief account of how the people who run out game tried to stop him playing cricket. the villains in the piece included Doug Insole Chair man of the TCCB ( like out ECB ) and former Prime Minister of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Queen of our country First Minister!. Just look how they lied and schemed. What has changed?
How the Basil d’Oliveira affair unfolded
How the infamous Basil d’Oliveira affair unfolded.
Basil D'Oliveira, South African born British cricketer, in action for England at the Kennington Oval, London. Barry Jarman is wicket-keeping
Giant of the game: Basil D'Oliveira, South African born British cricketer, in action for England at the Kennington Oval, London. Barry Jarman is wicket-keeping Photo: GETTY IMAGES
10:04PM GMT 19 Nov 2011
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June 1966: Basil D’Oliveira, who had moved to England from his native South Africa six years earlier, makes his Test debut.
Jan 26, 1967: South Africa’s interior minister, Peter le Roux, warns England that D’Oliveira would not be admitted to the country if chosen for the following year’s tour.
March 4, 1968: Former MCC president Lord Cobham tells the South African Cricket Board secretary Arthur Coy that the MCC would do “almost anything to ensure the tour is on”.
March 6: John Vorster, the Prime Minister of South Africa, who has previously met former British Prime Minister Alec Douglas-Home to discuss the issue, warns that if D’Oliveira is selected the tour will not go ahead. Vorster discusses with Coy the possibility of bribing D’Oliveira not to tour.
June 6: Despite a lean winter, D’Oliveira is picked for the first Ashes Test and top-scores with 87 not out as Australia win.
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June 19: Colin Milburn is picked ahead of D’Oliveira for the second Test. MCC secretary Billy Griffith urges him to withdraw from the South Africa tour and instead make himself available for his native country.
July: MCC approaches 30 players, but not D’Oliveira, to check their availability for the South Africa tour.
August 10: Tienie Oosthuizen, the head of a tobacco firm, offers D’Oliveira a £4,000-a-year coaching contract for 10 years in South Africa
Aug 21: D’Oliveira is recalled for the fifth Test after Roger Prideaux is injured. On the eve of the game, chairman of selectors Doug Insole asks every player except D’Oliveira to declare their availability for the winter tour.
Aug 23: D’Oliveira makes a first-innings 158 despite being dropped four times. Oosthuizen calls the Surrey secretary to say that if D’Oliveira is picked the tour will be called off.
Aug 27: A six-hour selection meeting at Lord’s lasts until 2am. Of the five selectors — Insole, Alec Bedser, Peter May, Don Kenyon and captain Colin Cowdrey — only Kenyon backs selecting D’Oliveira. The minutes of the meeting go missing, but it is understood that a least five senior MCC representatives were also in attendance.
Aug 28: Insole explains the exclusion of D’Oliveira by saying England had “rather better than him” in the side.
Aug 29: The Rev David Sheppard, a former England captain and future bishop, says MCC have made a “dreadful mistake” and Sir Learie Constantine describes the selection as “deeply suspicious”.
Sept 6: MCC members force a meeting on the issue while the News of the World announces it will send D’Oliveira to South Africa to work for them.
Sept 16: Tom Cartwright, a bowler, withdraws from the squad and D’Oliveira, a batting all-rounder, is called up in his place.
Sept 17: Vorster says his country is not prepared to receive a team selected for political reasons. “The MCC team is not the team of the MCC but of the anti-apartheid movement,” he says.
Sept 24: After days of rising tension, the MCC calls off the tour after a meeting at Lord’s with members of the South African board.
Jan 23: 1969 MCC votes to invite South Africa to tour in 1970. After strong pressure from Home Secretary Jim Callaghan, and the Stop the Tour campaign led by future Labour minister Peter Hain, the tour is cancelled, heralding a 22-year period of international isolation for South African cricket.
In short a brown skinned cricketer came from Apartheid South Africa to play cricket. He was good enough to get into the England side and do well. This is a brief account of how the people who run out game tried to stop him playing cricket. the villains in the piece included Doug Insole Chair man of the TCCB ( like out ECB ) and former Prime Minister of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Queen of our country First Minister!. Just look how they lied and schemed. What has changed?
How the Basil d’Oliveira affair unfolded
How the infamous Basil d’Oliveira affair unfolded.
Basil D'Oliveira, South African born British cricketer, in action for England at the Kennington Oval, London. Barry Jarman is wicket-keeping
Giant of the game: Basil D'Oliveira, South African born British cricketer, in action for England at the Kennington Oval, London. Barry Jarman is wicket-keeping Photo: GETTY IMAGES
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June 1966: Basil D’Oliveira, who had moved to England from his native South Africa six years earlier, makes his Test debut.
Jan 26, 1967: South Africa’s interior minister, Peter le Roux, warns England that D’Oliveira would not be admitted to the country if chosen for the following year’s tour.
March 4, 1968: Former MCC president Lord Cobham tells the South African Cricket Board secretary Arthur Coy that the MCC would do “almost anything to ensure the tour is on”.
March 6: John Vorster, the Prime Minister of South Africa, who has previously met former British Prime Minister Alec Douglas-Home to discuss the issue, warns that if D’Oliveira is selected the tour will not go ahead. Vorster discusses with Coy the possibility of bribing D’Oliveira not to tour.
June 6: Despite a lean winter, D’Oliveira is picked for the first Ashes Test and top-scores with 87 not out as Australia win.
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June 19: Colin Milburn is picked ahead of D’Oliveira for the second Test. MCC secretary Billy Griffith urges him to withdraw from the South Africa tour and instead make himself available for his native country.
July: MCC approaches 30 players, but not D’Oliveira, to check their availability for the South Africa tour.
August 10: Tienie Oosthuizen, the head of a tobacco firm, offers D’Oliveira a £4,000-a-year coaching contract for 10 years in South Africa
Aug 21: D’Oliveira is recalled for the fifth Test after Roger Prideaux is injured. On the eve of the game, chairman of selectors Doug Insole asks every player except D’Oliveira to declare their availability for the winter tour.
Aug 23: D’Oliveira makes a first-innings 158 despite being dropped four times. Oosthuizen calls the Surrey secretary to say that if D’Oliveira is picked the tour will be called off.
Aug 27: A six-hour selection meeting at Lord’s lasts until 2am. Of the five selectors — Insole, Alec Bedser, Peter May, Don Kenyon and captain Colin Cowdrey — only Kenyon backs selecting D’Oliveira. The minutes of the meeting go missing, but it is understood that a least five senior MCC representatives were also in attendance.
Aug 28: Insole explains the exclusion of D’Oliveira by saying England had “rather better than him” in the side.
Aug 29: The Rev David Sheppard, a former England captain and future bishop, says MCC have made a “dreadful mistake” and Sir Learie Constantine describes the selection as “deeply suspicious”.
Sept 6: MCC members force a meeting on the issue while the News of the World announces it will send D’Oliveira to South Africa to work for them.
Sept 16: Tom Cartwright, a bowler, withdraws from the squad and D’Oliveira, a batting all-rounder, is called up in his place.
Sept 17: Vorster says his country is not prepared to receive a team selected for political reasons. “The MCC team is not the team of the MCC but of the anti-apartheid movement,” he says.
Sept 24: After days of rising tension, the MCC calls off the tour after a meeting at Lord’s with members of the South African board.
Jan 23: 1969 MCC votes to invite South Africa to tour in 1970. After strong pressure from Home Secretary Jim Callaghan, and the Stop the Tour campaign led by future Labour minister Peter Hain, the tour is cancelled, heralding a 22-year period of international isolation for South African cricket.
Parkinson's law of triviality!
At times like this, ‘Parkinson’s law of triviality’ springs to mind: the idea, expounded by Cyril Northcote Parkinson almost 70 years ago, that large organisations spend a disproportionate amount of time preoccupied with such petty issues as where to locate the staff bike shed. This, then, is the ECB’s ‘bike shed’ moment, seeing as the board’s findings are fit purely for the playground.
Parkinson intended his argument to be a spoof of the management world, so often mired in the peripheral and inconsequential, but it is likely he would have found the ECB impossible to parody. Every one of its accusations against Pietersen has the ring of desperation.
At times like this, ‘Parkinson’s law of triviality’ springs to mind: the idea, expounded by Cyril Northcote Parkinson almost 70 years ago, that large organisations spend a disproportionate amount of time preoccupied with such petty issues as where to locate the staff bike shed. This, then, is the ECB’s ‘bike shed’ moment, seeing as the board’s findings are fit purely for the playground.
Parkinson intended his argument to be a spoof of the management world, so often mired in the peripheral and inconsequential, but it is likely he would have found the ECB impossible to parody. Every one of its accusations against Pietersen has the ring of desperation.
Swann has no credibility left.
The prosecution has a cast iron case against him.
Count 1 - Became one of very few players who bottled out of an Ashes tour when the going got tough.
Count 2 - Has a column in the pathetic rag 'The Sun'
Great when it was going well for him, couldn't take it when we were under the cosh.
Unfortunately for him that is what most will remember him for, his decent record before that will always be secondary to the way he quit, and he no doubt got a nice bonus for his quit story in The Sun.
The prosecution has a cast iron case against him.
Count 1 - Became one of very few players who bottled out of an Ashes tour when the going got tough.
Count 2 - Has a column in the pathetic rag 'The Sun'
Great when it was going well for him, couldn't take it when we were under the cosh.
Unfortunately for him that is what most will remember him for, his decent record before that will always be secondary to the way he quit, and he no doubt got a nice bonus for his quit story in The Sun.
I follow Cricket but not as closely as I follow Rugby and Horse Racing so it's nice to get the views of the people that do.
It's a much more balanced take on the issue on here than it is in the papers.
I can see why he would have problems with Broad and Swann as the twitter account clearly got under his skin.I would find it hard to believe they were not behind it.
I wonder what made him turn on Matt Prior.
It's a much more balanced take on the issue on here than it is in the papers.
I can see why he would have problems with Broad and Swann as the twitter account clearly got under his skin.I would find it hard to believe they were not behind it.
I wonder what made him turn on Matt Prior.
not really sure what's happened to paul newman. sure he didn't used to be like this. laughable he's pinning everything on KP
not a word against broad or swann who he must know what they're like. the bowlers clique stories have been doing the rounds for years
clearly has a terrible grudge against KP now though. he must have really upset him
not a word against broad or swann who he must know what they're like. the bowlers clique stories have been doing the rounds for years
clearly has a terrible grudge against KP now though. he must have really upset him
unless, of course, he's benefitted hugely from leaks from certain players or organisations and feels obliged to tell their side of the story.
Oct 7, 2014 -- 6:55PM, posy wrote:
A lot of the problems are down to 'central contracts' which pay far too much to journeyman professional cricketers...they should be scrapped and the players should play regularly for their counties and be selected on merit for one test at a time.Might need to rejig the cricket programme to allow more county championship playing time but that could easily be done by scrapping the ridiculous hit and run aka 20/20 and reducing the plethora of one day matches.In the old days cricketers strived to play for England and were proud to do so;nowadays they just want the luxury of playing for England without the need to put in the effort.
20/20 is a great game and has brought in how many millions of new cricket fans, can the same be said of test cricket? pisses me off when you old ****s have a dig at T20 and even 50 over cricket
I am not having a go at T20. It is a legitimate form of Sports Entertainment like American Wrestling WWE. I just like Test Cricket as the pure form of the game.
Only kidding Grant. I have come to look dowm my snooty nose at T20 and if truth be told rather enjoy it particularly the IPL. the only thing about T20 is I really don't care who wins. I just want to be entertained.
Test Cricket is a different matter. It mean's something to me. I still like to watch the best of the foreigners and would often rather be entertained by the greats of the game like a Dale Steyn or AB or a host of batsmen perform well ( except of course any Australian }. But when we lose and play badly it disturbs and upsets me.
There is nothing like Test Cricket for me.
Only kidding Grant. I have come to look dowm my snooty nose at T20 and if truth be told rather enjoy it particularly the IPL. the only thing about T20 is I really don't care who wins. I just want to be entertained.
Test Cricket is a different matter. It mean's something to me. I still like to watch the best of the foreigners and would often rather be entertained by the greats of the game like a Dale Steyn or AB or a host of batsmen perform well ( except of course any Australian }. But when we lose and play badly it disturbs and upsets me.
There is nothing like Test Cricket for me.
As Whispering said earlier, KP was not dropped at all during THAT Ashes or the previous one. In fact he was NEVER dropped during his career (suspended for 1 Test I believe).
During the tour several players were dropped. Trem, Monty (twice), Prior, Bres and Root. Kp was selected for each test yet they fired him.
Vaughan said after KP's ludicrous sacking 'what has he done that is so unmanageable?'
The answer is of course very little.
Flower seems to have escaped scrutiny by the media. I find that baffling.
What he and his coaching team did to Finn and Rankin (not to mention the shat upon Monty and Trem) was extremely poor.
He also allowed Swann to leave the tour!!! Should have told him to carry the drinks for 2 weeks instead of running away.
During the tour several players were dropped. Trem, Monty (twice), Prior, Bres and Root. Kp was selected for each test yet they fired him.
Vaughan said after KP's ludicrous sacking 'what has he done that is so unmanageable?'
The answer is of course very little.
Flower seems to have escaped scrutiny by the media. I find that baffling.
What he and his coaching team did to Finn and Rankin (not to mention the shat upon Monty and Trem) was extremely poor.
He also allowed Swann to leave the tour!!! Should have told him to carry the drinks for 2 weeks instead of running away.
injera, think swann even went to the xmas pish up after announcing he was retiring before flying home !
and as you say the selection and handling of the fringe players was mismanagement on a grand scale
pretty clear flower was determined to take KP with him when he left whatever it took
and as you say the selection and handling of the fringe players was mismanagement on a grand scale
pretty clear flower was determined to take KP with him when he left whatever it took
khyber kim 08 Oct 14 12:45
I follow Cricket but not as closely as I follow Rugby and Horse Racing so it's nice to get the views of the people that do.
It's a much more balanced take on the issue on here than it is in the papers.
I can see why he would have problems with Broad and Swann as the twitter account clearly got under his skin.I would find it hard to believe they were not behind it.
I wonder what made him turn on Matt Prior.
the melbourne meeting surely played a part, where prior had a dig at Flower, and then KP unleashed an anti flower tirade.
he was then grassed up by someone. one wonders who.
I'm imagine Prior never playing for England again is a pretty big reason though.
I follow Cricket but not as closely as I follow Rugby and Horse Racing so it's nice to get the views of the people that do.
It's a much more balanced take on the issue on here than it is in the papers.
I can see why he would have problems with Broad and Swann as the twitter account clearly got under his skin.I would find it hard to believe they were not behind it.
I wonder what made him turn on Matt Prior.
the melbourne meeting surely played a part, where prior had a dig at Flower, and then KP unleashed an anti flower tirade.
he was then grassed up by someone. one wonders who.
I'm imagine Prior never playing for England again is a pretty big reason though.
Pietersen's problem with Prior is that Prior's attitude and behaviour are those of which Pietersen has been accused.
There is also the problem that Prior's injuries made him a complete liability for England, yet there was no question that the Big Cheese would continue to play whenever he fancied. Prior has been completely gone as a cricketer for the last two seasons.
Pietersen, by contrast, was forced to play through the pain of dodgy knees and was still England's best batsman. He couldn't crouch in the gully, so was forced to field in the most unpleasant place in world cricket - an Australian boundary. His reward? When Paul Downton finally turned up to watch a match, he decided Pietersen needed to be sacked for being remote and unhappy on the field.
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Re Daily Mail reader frog2's naive repetition of the accusation Pietersen turned on long-time Hants buddy Carberry:
michael carberry @carbs646 · 11h 10 hours ago
Morning!!Just to set the record straight re: @KP24 .Ive never had any issues with Kev. We have always got on well and still do
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Personally I detest this workplace culture where little men like Prior, Broad and Anderson resort to endless sniping and cliques of Good Old Boys to protect themselves against their own litany of inadequacies and blunders.
There is also the problem that Prior's injuries made him a complete liability for England, yet there was no question that the Big Cheese would continue to play whenever he fancied. Prior has been completely gone as a cricketer for the last two seasons.
Pietersen, by contrast, was forced to play through the pain of dodgy knees and was still England's best batsman. He couldn't crouch in the gully, so was forced to field in the most unpleasant place in world cricket - an Australian boundary. His reward? When Paul Downton finally turned up to watch a match, he decided Pietersen needed to be sacked for being remote and unhappy on the field.
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Re Daily Mail reader frog2's naive repetition of the accusation Pietersen turned on long-time Hants buddy Carberry:
michael carberry @carbs646 · 11h 10 hours ago
Morning!!Just to set the record straight re: @KP24 .Ive never had any issues with Kev. We have always got on well and still do
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Personally I detest this workplace culture where little men like Prior, Broad and Anderson resort to endless sniping and cliques of Good Old Boys to protect themselves against their own litany of inadequacies and blunders.
screaming, the shocking nature of the cosy clique among in crowd in the dressing room was fully demonstrated in cook's interview at the post match presentation after the india debacle at lords
cook said it was basically up to prior if he wanted to continue playing when everyone else could see he could hardly walk, make a run and was shelling catches left, right and centre. by that stage even prior realised the game was up. no proper management medical or otherwise to make an obvious decision and showed what a weak and ineffectual leader cook really is too
cook said it was basically up to prior if he wanted to continue playing when everyone else could see he could hardly walk, make a run and was shelling catches left, right and centre. by that stage even prior realised the game was up. no proper management medical or otherwise to make an obvious decision and showed what a weak and ineffectual leader cook really is too
screaming from beneaththewaves, What about the other six players and coaches he didnt get on with?
Either the guy was a trouble maker if he did not have things his own way or the whole thing was a conspiracy to get rid of him. But why did the management wait so long? They had a chance when he lost the captaincy, when he texted the SA players, when he retired because he didnt get his way over 20/20.
I think management hung onto him for as long as they could but in the end the situation was so bad they needed a fresh start. With Moores back as coach I dont see how it could have worked.
What else could England do? The options were to pick the bowlers, wicketkeeper and coach KP liked and make KP captain or get rid of him.
Either the guy was a trouble maker if he did not have things his own way or the whole thing was a conspiracy to get rid of him. But why did the management wait so long? They had a chance when he lost the captaincy, when he texted the SA players, when he retired because he didnt get his way over 20/20.
I think management hung onto him for as long as they could but in the end the situation was so bad they needed a fresh start. With Moores back as coach I dont see how it could have worked.
What else could England do? The options were to pick the bowlers, wicketkeeper and coach KP liked and make KP captain or get rid of him.
It could be that the players were so sick of his attitude that the twitter account was invented to show just how big an ego he had. It has certainly riled him.
The Prior situation was shocking this summer. It was quite clear he was not fit to play and those in charge were clearly not up to the task.
I am getting a little fed up with the tit fot tat going on all around. People who are " supporting " Pietersen clearly agree he can be an obnoxious twaite and up his own rectum. That is not the point.
The Trott situation is almost forgotten. That is such a serious abdication of responsibility. I am still shocked at the image of Trott's face grinning wildly as MJ was nailing him to the cross. We treat animals less badly in this country.
There are plenty of other things that Pietersen has brought up and they need addressing. His character flaws should not be an issue. We are all flawed in one way or another. The management should have dealt with it long ago and as far as I am concerned they should be in the frame too. Flower is still in the set up and maybe he shouldn't be.
I am getting a little fed up with the tit fot tat going on all around. People who are " supporting " Pietersen clearly agree he can be an obnoxious twaite and up his own rectum. That is not the point.
The Trott situation is almost forgotten. That is such a serious abdication of responsibility. I am still shocked at the image of Trott's face grinning wildly as MJ was nailing him to the cross. We treat animals less badly in this country.
There are plenty of other things that Pietersen has brought up and they need addressing. His character flaws should not be an issue. We are all flawed in one way or another. The management should have dealt with it long ago and as far as I am concerned they should be in the frame too. Flower is still in the set up and maybe he shouldn't be.
Alec Stewart has confirmed to Telegraph Sport that he stands by the claims made in Pietersen’s autobiography that he passed on the names of the players - Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann and Tim Bresnan - to Hugh Morris, the then director of the England team, and Andy Flower.
There was obviously a lot going on and the more I read I'm inclined to feel a bit more sympathetic towards Pietersen
Whisperingdeath 09 Oct 14 11:23
Alec Stewart has confirmed to Telegraph Sport that he stands by the claims made in Pietersen’s autobiography that he passed on the names of the players - Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann and Tim Bresnan - to Hugh Morris, the then director of the England team, and Andy Flower.
i found this pretty big news. Given that Alec Stewart may well be one of the most boring and unimaginative men alive in the world today, it seems almost impossible that he's telling porkies.
This means that Broad and Swann are almost certainly telling massive lies about their relationship with Bailey.
Alec Stewart has confirmed to Telegraph Sport that he stands by the claims made in Pietersen’s autobiography that he passed on the names of the players - Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann and Tim Bresnan - to Hugh Morris, the then director of the England team, and Andy Flower.
i found this pretty big news. Given that Alec Stewart may well be one of the most boring and unimaginative men alive in the world today, it seems almost impossible that he's telling porkies.
This means that Broad and Swann are almost certainly telling massive lies about their relationship with Bailey.
It is very difficult as Pietersen,great player though he could be,has always given the impression he is a long way up himself. However the same is true of Broad and Swann,the latter has sounded a prat on the radio this summer. Pietersen seems to have some support that the bowlers were " bullying "inexperienced players. I agree that Prior should not have been playing the last year or two but not sure why Pietersen has it in for him.
I am starting to come round to Bob Willis` view of how the players are treated. It seems they have all become pampered and so convinced of their own greatness that they all feel untouchable, witness the Prior injury, the dross regularly served up by the fast bowlers, the Bell non run out against India to name but three. One of the ways to judge greatness in sport is how you react to winning as well as how you respond to losing. I don`t believe either side innocent, the root of the problem lies with management who created an atmosphere where nobody had any respect for anybody else.
Surprised Pietersen has so much support on this thread.
A player could not realistically do more to mark himself out as an undermining pr1ck. So you cannot work with someone like that, end of story. It is pointless saying Vaughan and Fletcher managed it etc, they were not handed the baton that Moores, Strauss, Flower were given. Cook I exclude from this to some extent because he encouraged Pietersen back into the fold for some unknowable reason, so he deserves what he gets from Pietersen.
Fletcher presided over some of the worst examples of mismanagement I have ever seen if you think back to the Vaughan-Flintoff-Strauss-Flintoff-Vaughan captaincy changes, at least the last two of which were patently ludicrous. Add to that the Giles-Panesar-Giles-Panesar changes. Fletcher and the selectors at the time clearly and very foolishly believed that if you were out with a long term injury you had the right to be reinstated to your previous post regardless of your form and suitability for the post versus other contenders. Vaughan was party to all this so should not be making out he is some sort of cricket management guru.
So your starting position is Pietersen has shown himself over the long course of events to be too big a risk as to whether he can be managed and whether he can be trusted to act in the team interest. So the question for me is not why they failed him, but why on earth they favoured him to the extent they did.
None of this means that other players should not be strongly dealt with for behaving counter-productively. But Broad, Swann, Prior, Anderson and whoever else are not known to serially act against their team's interests, so you might have a bit more confidence that you could sort out any issues with them and carry on the better for it.
Pietersen, nobody is sorting that shyte out as long as he lives. I mean, have a read of his answers in this interview:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/787933.html
Compare and contrast with things Pietersen said publicly about Flower for example in the past, where he fawned over Flower. Pietersen says his big mistake is that he was "too honest." FFS.
I had to look twice to check this wasn't the parody twitter account. So much of what he says is incoherent.
Criticise the management of the England team for all they have done wrong and there have been plenty of things. Don't criticise them for getting one decision right, albeit many years too late. I doubt the person lives who can manage Pietersen effectively if he thought he was in a position to undermine them.
A player could not realistically do more to mark himself out as an undermining pr1ck. So you cannot work with someone like that, end of story. It is pointless saying Vaughan and Fletcher managed it etc, they were not handed the baton that Moores, Strauss, Flower were given. Cook I exclude from this to some extent because he encouraged Pietersen back into the fold for some unknowable reason, so he deserves what he gets from Pietersen.
Fletcher presided over some of the worst examples of mismanagement I have ever seen if you think back to the Vaughan-Flintoff-Strauss-Flintoff-Vaughan captaincy changes, at least the last two of which were patently ludicrous. Add to that the Giles-Panesar-Giles-Panesar changes. Fletcher and the selectors at the time clearly and very foolishly believed that if you were out with a long term injury you had the right to be reinstated to your previous post regardless of your form and suitability for the post versus other contenders. Vaughan was party to all this so should not be making out he is some sort of cricket management guru.
So your starting position is Pietersen has shown himself over the long course of events to be too big a risk as to whether he can be managed and whether he can be trusted to act in the team interest. So the question for me is not why they failed him, but why on earth they favoured him to the extent they did.
None of this means that other players should not be strongly dealt with for behaving counter-productively. But Broad, Swann, Prior, Anderson and whoever else are not known to serially act against their team's interests, so you might have a bit more confidence that you could sort out any issues with them and carry on the better for it.
Pietersen, nobody is sorting that shyte out as long as he lives. I mean, have a read of his answers in this interview:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/787933.html
Compare and contrast with things Pietersen said publicly about Flower for example in the past, where he fawned over Flower. Pietersen says his big mistake is that he was "too honest." FFS.
I had to look twice to check this wasn't the parody twitter account. So much of what he says is incoherent.
Criticise the management of the England team for all they have done wrong and there have been plenty of things. Don't criticise them for getting one decision right, albeit many years too late. I doubt the person lives who can manage Pietersen effectively if he thought he was in a position to undermine them.
On Radio now!
Talk Sport.
Bound to be the same old same old. Frankly I doubt there will be much new here, He has got his PR hat on.
I hope they talk about Trott.
Talk Sport.
Bound to be the same old same old. Frankly I doubt there will be much new here, He has got his PR hat on.
I hope they talk about Trott.
England only have themselves to blame.
They should pick Englishmen and not egotistical mercenaries whose sole interest is to further their own career and earning potential.
They should pick Englishmen and not egotistical mercenaries whose sole interest is to further their own career and earning potential.
Boycott told Cricinfo: “I’d be miffed if my career had been finished for no reasons given. It’s actually a pretty big thing when you’ve got a very talented player … and a country says: ‘Fine, we want to move on without you.’ I think [both parties] have a duty to the public to say what their reasons are.”
A document has leaked into the public domain, containing what appears to be an England and Wales Cricket Board log of Pietersen’s alleged misdemeanours during the 2013-14 Ashes. There has been no official reaction, though, from the governing body to the publication of Pietersen’s autobiography.
Boycott is particularly frustrated by the vacuum of information that persisted through a difficult summer for England, after Pietersen and his former employers agreed a near eight-month confidentiality clause.
“In a free democratic society, which we live in, people are entitled to [hear] their views – both sides. So he’s entitled to his, but also the ECB should have spoken out at the time.
“I think both of them should have spoken out at the time. It was too big an issue to just wait for a moratorium for October 1 – far too big an issue.”
As for the ill-fitting working relationship between Pietersen and Flower, Boycott added: “You have two people who resent the situation, both in prime positions – one the best batsman and the other the coach in charge. That’s a recipe for disaster, isn’t it?
“I’m not surprised it spilled over, and eventually he’s having his say, because I feel there was so much ill-feeling from that moment Kevin was sacked as captain and Flower was promoted from assistant coach to the coach.”
A document has leaked into the public domain, containing what appears to be an England and Wales Cricket Board log of Pietersen’s alleged misdemeanours during the 2013-14 Ashes. There has been no official reaction, though, from the governing body to the publication of Pietersen’s autobiography.
Boycott is particularly frustrated by the vacuum of information that persisted through a difficult summer for England, after Pietersen and his former employers agreed a near eight-month confidentiality clause.
“In a free democratic society, which we live in, people are entitled to [hear] their views – both sides. So he’s entitled to his, but also the ECB should have spoken out at the time.
“I think both of them should have spoken out at the time. It was too big an issue to just wait for a moratorium for October 1 – far too big an issue.”
As for the ill-fitting working relationship between Pietersen and Flower, Boycott added: “You have two people who resent the situation, both in prime positions – one the best batsman and the other the coach in charge. That’s a recipe for disaster, isn’t it?
“I’m not surprised it spilled over, and eventually he’s having his say, because I feel there was so much ill-feeling from that moment Kevin was sacked as captain and Flower was promoted from assistant coach to the coach.”
As a body of people professional cricketers leave a lot to be desired.I was invited to a Lords dinner last month and turned it down with alacrity when it became obvious that professional cricketers were being distributed around the tables.In my opinion not all but the great majority of these players ,especially those with central contracts are uneducated ,overpaid con merchants who earn a good living from the game in return for playing some decidedly poor cricket.Even those who went to minor public schools are for the most part hopeless;just imagine having to sit and talk cricket leadership with the pathetic England captain or touring abroad with the pathetic Swann. As for Pietersen and his ilk the word freeloader comes to mind. Wesdaq is right English cricket produces enough mercenary players without the need to import more.
Sounds like the players and coaches managed to put up with him for 104 tests until his form and prospects meant he wasn't worth the trouble anymore so they dumped him. Reflects terribly on all concerned.
The thing that really annoys me though is the total lack of proper explanation for the complete disintegration in Australia. The focus was solely on Pietersen but whatever his faults he wasn't the reason we got stuffed. In that respect I do think he's been made the scapegoat for a dressing room far more brittle than previously thought.
The thing that really annoys me though is the total lack of proper explanation for the complete disintegration in Australia. The focus was solely on Pietersen but whatever his faults he wasn't the reason we got stuffed. In that respect I do think he's been made the scapegoat for a dressing room far more brittle than previously thought.
I was at the Cheltenham literature festival on Tuesday watching Boycott and what a Pleasure it was. Spoke perfect sense. The whole set up is to blame. Yes KP's a prick but he should have been managed properly.
Come on now, from those outside of England supporters, this is the view, that most of you now have. Was obvious what was really going on. I stated it over and again, and was shot down by nearly every one on this thread for saying it.
Amazing what happens when a second side to the story does.
Amazing what happens when a second side to the story does.
Swann what a gutless tird.Attacked people anomalously then spat the dummy when things got too hard.
Got the book, can't put it down.
Ok it's only one side of the story but very good!
The chapter called The Woodpecker (Moores) and the Captain (Kp) is hilarious!!!!!!!
Never warmed to KP and in this book he seems to fall out with a lot of people, but...characters are what makes life interesting and he wasn't afraid to speak his mind.
I like that.
At times he speaks directly to Flower and The Big Cheese (Prior). That's a bit odd but perhaps understandable.
He's defo chippy and hard to handle but yet another genius sportsman the establishment falls out with. Happens across all sports..
Ok it's only one side of the story but very good!
The chapter called The Woodpecker (Moores) and the Captain (Kp) is hilarious!!!!!!!
Never warmed to KP and in this book he seems to fall out with a lot of people, but...characters are what makes life interesting and he wasn't afraid to speak his mind.
I like that.
At times he speaks directly to Flower and The Big Cheese (Prior). That's a bit odd but perhaps understandable.
He's defo chippy and hard to handle but yet another genius sportsman the establishment falls out with. Happens across all sports..
Fair summary injera. I'm 100 pages in. Basically, he's a high maintenance genius and needs good management, which in the end didn't happen and England lost their best player. The rest is a sideshow.
Good batsman. 'Genius' is going a bit far if you ask me.
Oval 2005 was genius.
Mumbai 2012 was greatness and genius.
Nobody can state with certainty that Kevin Pietersen’s 186 was the best innings ever played for England. A masterpiece on a spinning pitch is chalk, and a masterpiece on a seaming pitch is cheese.
It can be claimed with some conviction, however, that Pietersen's century in Mumbai was not only his best innings but also the best ever by an England batsman in India. Or make that the best ever by an England batsman in Asia.
Pakistani pitches never turn so much as the one that Dr Dhoni ordered for the second Test: its earth was red, perhaps with embarrassment, as the ball spat and spun so much. And while Marcus Trescothick made a sublime hundred on a not dissimilar pitch in Galle, that was in the first Test when the series was unfolding, not at stake.
Pietersen’s England record-equalling 22nd Test century contained all the ingredients of greatness, and something more. Love him, like him or loathe him, let us recognise that what he did with his bat in this Test match was nothing short of genius.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevinpietersen/9701946/India-v-England-Kevin-Pietersens-century-is-the-finest-innings-by-an-England-batsman-in-Asia.html
If you don't agree with Scyld Berry there, then I don't believe you were either following that series or watched that innings.
Mumbai 2012 was greatness and genius.
Nobody can state with certainty that Kevin Pietersen’s 186 was the best innings ever played for England. A masterpiece on a spinning pitch is chalk, and a masterpiece on a seaming pitch is cheese.
It can be claimed with some conviction, however, that Pietersen's century in Mumbai was not only his best innings but also the best ever by an England batsman in India. Or make that the best ever by an England batsman in Asia.
Pakistani pitches never turn so much as the one that Dr Dhoni ordered for the second Test: its earth was red, perhaps with embarrassment, as the ball spat and spun so much. And while Marcus Trescothick made a sublime hundred on a not dissimilar pitch in Galle, that was in the first Test when the series was unfolding, not at stake.
Pietersen’s England record-equalling 22nd Test century contained all the ingredients of greatness, and something more. Love him, like him or loathe him, let us recognise that what he did with his bat in this Test match was nothing short of genius.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevinpietersen/9701946/India-v-England-Kevin-Pietersens-century-is-the-finest-innings-by-an-England-batsman-in-Asia.html
If you don't agree with Scyld Berry there, then I don't believe you were either following that series or watched that innings.
what seems to have been forgotten in this by pundits and his so called team mates alike is that it is likely none of the major accomplishments by the england team in the last 10 years would have happened without him and by major i mean the ashes in 2005 and 2010/11, world T20 in 2010 and india away in 2012
saved the day at the oval in 2005, quite probable the adelaide test in 2010 would have been drawn without his super fast double hundred - it pished down for the rest of day an hour after england won, man of tourney in 2010 and with alistair cook's help turned that india series around
saved the day at the oval in 2005, quite probable the adelaide test in 2010 would have been drawn without his super fast double hundred - it pished down for the rest of day an hour after england won, man of tourney in 2010 and with alistair cook's help turned that india series around
surprised they haven't offered you the captaincy posy, you seem to know it all
whisper lol - this bloke accused me of of not liking someone because they were from a different continent the other day
i saw kp on graham norton show
i still dont see anything to take a major dislike too
i still dont see anything to take a major dislike too
Howdi,
No need to explain, I was just taking a cheap shot
it would have been rude not to!
No need to explain, I was just taking a cheap shot
it would have been rude not to!
The word Genius is thrown around too much in Sports. A man was cured of Paralysis from the neck down on Wednesday after having his spinal chord severed in a knife attack.... Whoever managed to make him walk again is a genius IMO. Not Pieterson, phil Taylor, Messi, Mayweather or any other sports star
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