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After the poor performance during the 2nd test England seem to have turned the corner and put behind them a troubled period. The 4th Test at Old Trafford and the 3rd test at Southampton had all the signs that England have found their way back into the top flight and that they have regained confidence to come out at the Oval and to win the series 3-1. The long range weather forecast is good bar an odd shower on the first day (Friday), I'm convinced Cooks gang will continue the good run...how about you?
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Oh well, don't know if the alcohols kicked in too much, and odds are high, but I'm continuing to lay the draw.
sounds about right charlie,i cant see a draw here and layed it myself this morning..but u never know
Terry
I laid this morning and kept laying when wickets fell and still laying a little. I really can't see how a draw occurs. Perhaps I'm becoming too attached to the result I want.
I laid this morning and kept laying when wickets fell and still laying a little. I really can't see how a draw occurs. Perhaps I'm becoming too attached to the result I want.
no i agree with u,especially as the weather is good,fill your boots
robson's technique just isn't tight enough to deserve him his place in front of the more aggressive openers vying for his spot.
i thought compton/carberry were unlucky to lose out,maybe they got on with Pietersen
Compton's a bit negative and Carberry's a better limited overs player and a little too old to make a test career.
certainly the noises seem to be that it was something about compton's personality that got him moved along rather than his cricket.
as for carberry, it must be a very bitter pill to swallow, given that he did better than most standing up to johnson and harris, and gets dropped, but the likes of woakes, jordan and robson keep getting selected because they've been part of winning sides yet bring nothing to the side.
i suspect it had something to do with a couple of press pieces he was involved in.
as for carberry, it must be a very bitter pill to swallow, given that he did better than most standing up to johnson and harris, and gets dropped, but the likes of woakes, jordan and robson keep getting selected because they've been part of winning sides yet bring nothing to the side.
i suspect it had something to do with a couple of press pieces he was involved in.
Carberry did do better than most down under but there wasn't a lot of competition. Woakes and Jordon are bowlers who can bat a bit, Robson's got a good temperament.
would think jordan is the only one of 3 who might still be the side next july
hey chaps was wondering if anybody had an idea how low the 150+ traded on the Indian 1st innings runs market? Was certain i'd have got a low odds trade on it but didn't get matched. Thanks in advance
Draw does look a very remote possibility at this stage.
But Cook will bat too long in all probability. So draw could shorten quite a bit from here.
But Cook will bat too long in all probability. So draw could shorten quite a bit from here.
Small bet draw.. Cooks cautious captaincy could see ENG bat and bat..
Couldn't really blame him. His first priority has to be to seal the series win. He would get pilloried if he declared the first innings early, India somehow manage to set England a target for the final day and they get skittled out cheaply on a deteriorating wicket.
even if england get 600 chances are this will be done and dusted in 4 days. hard to see india putting up much of a fight 2nd inns facing a massive deficit
Worst Indian batting line up for 30 years. Take Dhoni out of it and its not even County standard. Paying the price for allowing Sehwag, Gambhir and Tendulkar to stay on past their sell by date!
not sure hornetsman.
there's a LOT of talent there, but they travel poorly and the opening pair has been ineffective.
i'd open with vijay and rahane. these two have shown that they've got the temperament to play patient sensible innings in troubling conditions. dhawan was a retarded selection for england and you can't bring gambhir in half way through a series with no cricket and expect him to be any better.
you keep the new ball away from pujara and you've then got a much safer line up, less pressure on kohli, and still space for raina and sharma. yes pujara should be able to handle being one down for nothing, but he shouldn't have to deal with it all the time.
their issue is at the top away from home because you need players to protect the middle order from alien conditions.
(it's also why i think dravid may have been better than tendulkar; i also think tendulkar owes hundreds of runs to him as well.)
there's a LOT of talent there, but they travel poorly and the opening pair has been ineffective.
i'd open with vijay and rahane. these two have shown that they've got the temperament to play patient sensible innings in troubling conditions. dhawan was a retarded selection for england and you can't bring gambhir in half way through a series with no cricket and expect him to be any better.
you keep the new ball away from pujara and you've then got a much safer line up, less pressure on kohli, and still space for raina and sharma. yes pujara should be able to handle being one down for nothing, but he shouldn't have to deal with it all the time.
their issue is at the top away from home because you need players to protect the middle order from alien conditions.
(it's also why i think dravid may have been better than tendulkar; i also think tendulkar owes hundreds of runs to him as well.)
Dhoni has lost the plot IMO - sometime he produces magical captaincy but over 30 overs bowled and he doesn't even know whether there is anything in the pitch for the spinner. Surely you would give them an over? It could be spinning? How would we know? Does he seriously believe that these boys are going to stop England scoring 600?
bowl england out for 300 and say india set england 200 target
Like saying I have hope of going out with Kylie - not technically impossible but beyond the realms of likely probability ;-)
More likely Eng need to only bat once.
Draw rather short here.
Draw rather short here.
Aug 16, 2014 -- 4:39PM, pxb wrote:
More likely Eng need to only bat once.Draw rather short here.
england will bat and bat, no deceleration needed
ECB pitches are NOT supposed to seam like this!!
Umpires mark Prem League matches out of 5. I would get a 2 for this (and an email..)...'Considerable seam movement'.
Lovin' it. Makes for more interesting crick and shock horror, batsmen can still score runs...
Umpires mark Prem League matches out of 5. I would get a 2 for this (and an email..)...'Considerable seam movement'.
Lovin' it. Makes for more interesting crick and shock horror, batsmen can still score runs...
Eng cruising here.
Although if India get off to an OK start tomorrow, draw will crash (that's not a prediction).
Although if India get off to an OK start tomorrow, draw will crash (that's not a prediction).
Would someone like to offer an explanation for the India price NOT being 50s???
I can only assume some peeps think England are setting a total for them to chase..
I can only assume some peeps think England are setting a total for them to chase..
Aug 16, 2014 -- 7:13PM, Injera wrote:
Would someone like to offer an explanation for the India price NOT being 50s???I can only assume some peeps think England are setting a total for them to chase..
Go on then. ENG all out 400. Lead of 250. India bat 450. ENG need 200. Ind be around 10/1. Draw look terribly short to me.
How many overs are India likely to have to bat to get a draw, assuning Englands lead is around 300?
Aug 16, 2014 -- 8:03PM, budgiebird. wrote:
How many overs are India likely to have to bat to get a draw, assuning Englands lead is around 300?
I was trying to think the same way. 270 left. Say another 30 overs used. 240 left. Reckon you are looking at 180 absolute minimum.
So we are looking at a team whose last three innings combined lasted 150 overs, surviving for 180 overs and the odds on offer are just 8.4?
Crazy price!!!!
Crazy price!!!!
If anyone really believes India can bat for 180 overs then they would be better betting on an India win at 30 rather than a draw at 8.4. If they can bat 180 overs then there is more than a reasonable chance that England will panic in the last two sessions on a wearing pitch and be skittled out.
who cares?
it'll all be over before we get to day 5, so dont worry about it
it'll all be over before we get to day 5, so dont worry about it
wouldn't be at all surprised. india batting in a pretty hopeless situation a couple of early ones and chances the rest will go down like a pack of cards again
they might have to face as many as 80 overs tomorrow with the extra half hour a possibility
they might have to face as many as 80 overs tomorrow with the extra half hour a possibility
cant believe the draw price..all about the weather shirley,but im not seeing much rain
There might be a heavy shower or two this afternoon, but short-lived and even that is likely to play to englands advantage as with a bit of moisture around it could bring conditions similar to the first morning, just as India are starting their 2nd innings.. and most of the time lost will be made up at the end of the day... if they get that far!!
2 slips and gully to Root???????????
300 behind on 1st innings and Dhoni still thinks it's necessary to attack??
300 behind on 1st innings and Dhoni still thinks it's necessary to attack??
why would they declare with 3 days left? just get as many as you can
Another umpire faux pas . Broad , glove nowhere near the bat , DRS where are you , India are you listening ?
get them in cook,i agree with Holding,get bowling
going to take a miracle now for england to bat again in this match
11 overs and 98 runs in a test match is really poor bowling
didn't look out but layed 500 a few minutes ago so quite pleased
Umpires decided with 8 down that England should declare even if Cook didn't want to.
last two wickets were a fine example of quality umpiring !!
time for india to score 500 then bowl out england for 130 
Aug 17, 2014 -- 12:13PM, cricketnut2 wrote:
How are India going to score 250, let alone 500
Kholi can batter these medium pacers and gentle off spin if he is focused
I would be a bit wary here - India have very little pressure on them here ( because they are expected to crumble ) and ALL of their batsmen are due. Someone is gonna get a big score here I reckon ( just on the basis of probability ). I think they will bat positively from the outset.
Aug 17, 2014 -- 12:19PM, slip5 wrote:
Aug 17, 2014 -- 12:13PM, cricketnut2 wrote:How are India going to score 250, let alone 500Kholi can batter these medium pacers and gentle off spin if he is focused
yes he's focussed, but only on getting backing in the pavilion.
routed by end of play, no need to turn up tomoz, on to ODIs
75 overs left in day say india score 250-3 they in very strong situation
the major problem with india openers they look scared to play a shot, need to pput pressure on the medium pacers
as soon as Gambhir smears one through the covers he'll be away ( if )
this is the final day of Test Cricket for England, before next April
I think it's fair to say that was an horrific morning for the visitors.
apparently the 4th innings in a row india have been 66-6.
and people talk about if they get to 250-3. aye, ok. if they had 22 batsmen, they may save the game. but i doubt it.
and people talk about if they get to 250-3. aye, ok. if they had 22 batsmen, they may save the game. but i doubt it.
3 day win will cost England cricket over a million quid (20,000 tickets minimum 60 quid refunded, no fifth day sales, hospitality boxes not being used, etc).
india are a woeful team, england are still ordinary team nothing to get excited about
Yep, they'll be insured dstyle (and some will still turn up to hospitality tomorrow for the champagne and business-talk).
if india had 3 innings, theyd still struggle to make england bat agian. i think thats the point where you know your team is crap!
what happens when england play a proper team like pakistan, sril lanka, australia, africa, they always lose
they should let em have another go. see if they can reach 100 this time.
Last time England came back from 1-0 down to win a series 3-1 was the famous West Indies series of 2000.
Aug 17, 2014 -- 4:14PM, slip5 wrote:
what happens when england play a proper team like pakistan, sril lanka, australia, africa, they always lose
err, they don't always lose,as they were number 1 (abeit not for very long) a few years back
11/104 for jordan and woakes in the match
rather sums up india's performance
rather sums up india's performance
proper team like pakistan? india have been a better team than pakistan for the best part of 40 years.
well I think India and Pakistan take turns as to who are the better team. In 1996 for example England beat India but lost to Pakistan. In the mid 00s it was the other way round however.
Aug 17, 2014 -- 4:39PM, King of Dubai wrote:
cricketnut2 The main reason england were ranked at 1 was because teams with lots of ranking points were in decline / transition (India, Australia)The acid test for that side was the home series against South Africa which they lost.
And England have been in decline, since they hit no 1, its a British thing, you get to no 1 and they think they are the greatest and they then come down to earth, very quickly with a great big bump (whatever team sport it is). I happen to think, that this particular side, is not that good, as we will find out next summer, when Australia come back here. Cook, has scored runs, but has been LBW (not given) or dropped on numerous occasions. Robson is not good enough, the jury will be out on Gary Ballence but has done well so far, Ian Bell is pushing on and isn't going to get any better. Mohin Ali, will get found out at a higher level. Saying all that I have been crying out, for groundsman to produce pitches that would suit England, rather than the opposition, which they have done over the last 3 games and England have won comfortably and you can only beat whats there
england were rightfully number 1 on their achievements in 2010 and 2011. won about 8 series in a row absolutely demolishing sides loads of times by an innings or hundreds and hundreds of runs
they buried teams under a sheer mountain of runs and then applied the pressure with good new ball bowling and swann putting the squeeze on with older ball. they had batsmen making scores of 150+ on regular basis
they buried teams under a sheer mountain of runs and then applied the pressure with good new ball bowling and swann putting the squeeze on with older ball. they had batsmen making scores of 150+ on regular basis
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