draw price at 3,25 -india vs eng 3rd test at kolkatta

england should be favourites but you'll get over 3.5 for them, ditto the draw with india evens

Cheers Wurzel, was surprised that they didnt have another test series after christmas.  That significantly reduces the chance of him retiring after Nagpur.  Will he hold on to try and have one last assault on the aussies to avenge this series defeat/draw.  He shouldnt imo, it will only damage his legacy.

If i were to suggest that the draw at 30's might be value would you agree or respond along the lines of





He's mad! He's mad. He's madder than Mad Jack McMad, the winner of this year's Mr Madman competition.

??

all of the above

i think if there was a freak result, india would be better value than a draw

reason being if india somehow got a lead of around 100, there would be too much time left for england to even consider blocking for a draw so a positive result is 1.01 imo

An inspirational tea time managers talk required for the indians along the lines of:


    Blackadder: A man may fight for many things. His country, his friends, his principles, the glistening tear on the cheek of a golden child. But personally, I'd mud-wrestle my own mother for a ton of cash, an amusing clock and a sack of French porn.

so- a massive lay of england it is then.......

anyone lend me a fiver?

i hadnt done a thing with my initial england back until finally laying at 1.03, and tbh im even sort of kicking myself for that but we all know the quirks of test cricket so i'll settle for the peace of mind

Dec 7, 2012 -- 10:48PM, Lix wrote:

expect the ball to do more after lunch when the heavy roller wears off

well done lix ! 59 for 6 that session

1) A sedate turn through the gate
2) Suicidal run out
3) Swing of a bat to a straight, length, wide one.
4) Edge off a non turner
5) Played on from outside off
6) Edge off one that held it's line

Indian incompetence the main cause for the downfall here.

this is great , innings defeat on the cards !! another one on Engerland's travels

i'm off for a nap

Send news of our victory.

cheers guys - take care one and all

p.s sweetchild: its 1.05/1.06 now- tempted??

no i backed england early doors on first day and have laid off at 1.03 and im done for this match now

What's the draw still doing at 25! - absolutely no chance of a draw

Dcanio- just remember how long they fielded- its all part of keeping them running round for 4 sessions+- thats when mistakes come- our lads were mostly lolling around in the pavilion in high good humour

Not sure that's much of an excuse. We're talking professional cricketers here. Not exactly the first time they ever would have had to come to bat after an extended spell in the field.

But it happens all the time dcanio.  Psychology is a massive part of ALL sports.  Innings victories happen all the time between teams that are not that different in ability.  Look at the results in the first two tests of thisnseries... 9 and 10 wickets in different directions.

I'm not sure what your point is (or more, what you think my point is). Just highlighting that the collapse in the first hour after lunch was from poor batting rather than conditions being such that it was inevitable.

Kohli's had a woeful series with the bat

Well for one reason or another, a team fielding for five or more sessions,watching the oppo bat with ease often dont bat as well themselves.  7 down.

Rob is right,

When the ball from Swan hit Zak's footmarks after lunch and bowled Sehwag the psyche changed again.  Gambir was a mess and ran out Pujara as well as giving up his own wichet.  The Sehwag factor is like being the best mate of school bully.  Once he is gone everybody shrinks!

Small margins, the difference is in the head.  England are not as talented but have a tougher constitution.

the problem for India is simple and can be summed up in 1 word Patience or lack of it
it never mattered before when sehwag went off at hundred miles an hour and failed cause he had sachin/dravid/laxman to bail them out well the 2 walls have gone and sachin is a shadow of himself
yuvi is not a test cricketer pujara is still finding his feet kohle has been woeful all in all this is the worst Indian team in years they need a complete clear out and let some new boys have a go

innings defeat looking good now

superb from finn.

two great set up balls

Finn over Brosd has made a huge difference.  he carries real menace.

the patience issue is a manifestation of a more fundamental problem.

it's a lack of application and it applies to every single element of their game.

be it in the field, or bowling when the conditions or match situation aren't to the team's liking, or knuckling down when required when batting. the real graft isn't there. they've had such a wealth of talent in the past that it hasn't mattered too much, but when it starts to diminish they are horribly exposed.

and there doesn't appear to be anyone who get that through to them. it feels like a deep seated attitude problem, almost as though great performances are only great if they are effortless.

Lix     06 Dec 12 10:40 
draw will trade odds on. eng will win

Excellent call once again Lix

Oh what a beautiful morning!

AIM FOR THE FREAKEN STUMPS!!

eh???

1.01 available again

We have eleven overs to go, can we claim the extra half hour if we get a wicket between now and then, or even if we dont?

1.6 available on finish today.

Dec 8, 2012 -- 3:17AM, Bashy wrote:

AIM FOR THE FREAKEN STUMPS!!

yep

oh that 1.01 and 1.02 was nice - why were people laying it!  Utterly bizarre

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Recent results point very strongly to a result wicket.

They might have been freeing-up money to put on other matches, maybe? Cant think of any other reason.

i can absolutely guarantee dhoni etc will not want to come back tomorrow to watch england knock off a dozen or so runs..this partnership is irritating not just england

No pictures here, but Ashwin is a very tidy batsman by all accounts.  Averaging 42 now, and close to 40 in first class cricket.

nigel , u crack me up , ur always backing the 1.01/1.02 shots !! how bout some larger prices being landed ?
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hope they finish this tonite , will be a farce if it goes till tomorrow

Dec 8, 2012 -- 4:23AM, nicky27 wrote:

nigel , u crack me up , ur always backing the 1.01/1.02 shots !! how bout some larger prices being landed ?\hope they finish this tonite , will be a farce if it goes till tomorrow

That's the point - back the 1.02/1.03 shots that should be 1.001

1.01 again, hmm i dont know would you rate the odds of a freak weather front tomorrow 100/1 or 1000/1?

Think people dont want to worry about waiting for cash to tomorrow

Could be some fun if ENG lose a couple of wickets in the bad light - market bound to get overexcited - here's hoping

1.02 is back

ludicrous - absolutely mad

agreed

Any Rain around LOL?!

people that backed at 1000 on draw/india have got their own little 10:1 scenario!

We'll see 1.04 overnight because
(a) people irrationally fixate on unlikely events like rain, or Ashwin century
(b) England backers will trade out to guarantee their wins

Dec 8, 2012 -- 4:50AM, trader pj wrote:

We'll see 1.04 overnight because(a) people irrationally fixate on unlikely events like rain, or Ashwin century(b) England backers will trade out to guarantee their wins

Which is one of the reason why backing low odds can be a great strategy

Backing at 1.01 is a great strategy if you want a small fortune.  The only problem is that you usually start with a large one!

Actually making 1, 2 or 3% over night is a great strategy if you have loadsa money.  I would imagine that's how the big boys clean up.

Me as a gambler I think it is crazy but I went to bed at 1.01 and now I have to pay 3% to get my money back, go figure.

Nigel is not as dumb as he sounds!

Someone had the decency to give me £6@95's on the draw .  That's one and a half pints of guiness where I drink so not the end of the world  £15 would have represented a curry so not the end of the world!

Dec 8, 2012 -- 5:57AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

Backing at 1.01 is a great strategy if you want a small fortune.  The only problem is that you usually start with a large one!Actually making 1, 2 or 3% over night is a great strategy if you have loadsa money.  I would imagine that's how the big boys clean up.Me as a gambler I think it is crazy but I went to bed at 1.01 and now I have to pay 3% to get my money back, go figure.Nigel is not as dumb as he sounds!

Indeed.  It's just patience.

Point is - Gambling for me is about putting all the odds in my favour so that includes Arbitrage and looking out for situations where it's clear that punters are taking their money out to gamble elsewhere - this is one of them.

Wiggins Top 3 for SPOTY is another great one right now.  4% profit for money tied up for 8 days

Only another 110 needed to break the record for the 10th wicket !

Doesn't look like England will hit 1.04.

1.04 is a distant dream
1.01 shows how "rational" the market is!

Whisperingdeath is right. The big boys lay £500,000 @ 1.01. If England win they take a £5,000 hit and wait to land the lephant another day.
Not for the likes of us.

Dec 8, 2012 -- 11:20AM, trader pj wrote:

Whisperingdeath is right. The big boys lay £500,000 @ 1.01. If England win they take a £5,000 hit and wait to land the lephant another day. Not for the likes of us.

No, I think WD was talking about that in reverse - i.e. backing the 1.01.  If you watch markets you'll see big lumpers come in occasionally - look at the volume spikes.

India went 73/8 after lunch. there would be real panic and 1.1 hit if the partnership is doubled from here. 1.04 would be touched with another 8-10 runs.

Dec 8, 2012 -- 12:42PM, silly seal wrote:

India went 73/8 after lunch. there would be real panic and 1.1 hit if the partnership is doubled from here. 1.04 would be touched with another 8-10 runs.

I'm sure there would if they could magically take wickets back

this match could get interesting if the last wicket manages a miracle of another 80 runs

yep to clarify what Nigel is saying is right, not the reverse.

If you have shed loads of money, a Ferrari and too many dizzy blondes to remember their names you dont wager £5,000 in the faintest of hopes of making £500,000!  You probably already got £500,000 and the rest and will wager a large sum to make £5,000.  Easy money.

Dicks like us will bet £8@38 ( which is what I did ) as a Hail Mary or in the faintest of hopes of a lay back or just to cover a potential red..

The big boys hoover it up.  Like the Banks who put money on deposit over night.

It is a a strategy to be employed if you have large amounts of cash,.

What Nigel is doing and saying is right but dangerous.  for example.  I covered my red this morning of £500 on the draw.  I had the choice to lay the England at 1.03.  That is like 3% or £15.  But I took the option to Buy the draw at 95 with £6, that is just 1.2%.  It covered my red and and left me some change if the last two do womething stupid.

I have come back home tonight and we are back at 1.01 to lay England or 200 on the draw so someone who laid my £6 at 95 on the draw could have bought it back tonigt at 200.

Easy money when it goes right

As for this could get interesting if the last wicket manages....

Just a point on that, the pitch will be rolled with the heavy roller.  It should be flat till lunch! or at least till the Pacquiao fight starts!

The real point is you will get a major loss at some point but if you are backing 1.03 (which should occur 1/100) over time you make money.  It works for me anyway.

Just read this, 1.04 Wiggins top 4 isn't a great price at all Nigel. Half an hour voting  window means anything could happen, there've been horror stories on reality shows of people not being able to get through before. I remember you were saying similar about Pietersen not to play at 1.02 a month or so before the first India test

*top 3 that should say

Dec 8, 2012 -- 5:50PM, cnman wrote:

Just read this, 1.04 Wiggins top 4 isn't a great price at all Nigel. Half an hour voting

Surprisingly little action in the lead up to today's play. Everyone seems resigned to a straightforward Enlgand win.

41 to win

we might lose this

No we won't! Still, people backing India at 110!!!!

7 for 2, 34 required

wtf is going on

Bells your man for a crisis, Ive always said if theres ever a man you want walking in at crisis time, Bells your man.

Who has the nerve to risk 1785 to take that 15 quid on India at 120s?

Dec 8, 2012 -- 10:14PM, rob_dylan wrote:

Who has the nerve to risk 1785 to take that 15 quid on India at 120s?

Been slowly mopping up these for the past half-hour. Made more during this period than I have in the last month on cricket betting.

65 at 400s now, if i had 25 grand id be tempted to take that, onky 16 runs needed.

England should win from here.

Love listening to the barmies, great stuff.  1 to get.

crompton hits the winning run

Jingle Bells, I love em.

no ,bell it is , jingle bells LoL

Cobras Titans on at 8am btw.

Job done, wd England now please please please finish the job off in Nagpur.

If we can now win the series in India we will have beaten all comers home and away in my time watching/listening to England.... Except away to zimbabwe, and that might still be a long wait.

I laid India for the series, not paid out yet, do they normally pay out or do I have to wait for the end of the fourth test?

I cant wait to hear what the pitch talk is for Nagpur.  Englands wins are all the more remarkeable as they have done it batting second.  I bet on India first in all three matches and was fortunate not to lose any money particulary in the second test!

Well played England.  The cricket may not have been great but it has been exciting

What price did England hit when they were 3 fa?

Not sure we were even backable.  India certainly 120 to lay at one point.

1.01 was back in play for a while.

Where is Morse?

on the beach with a metal detector looking for more funds

hologon

Dec 8, 2012 -- 11:12PM, miss anomaly wrote:

What price did England hit when they were 3 fa?

Could have got 1.02. A very small amount was matched on 1.03.

Dec 8, 2012 -- 11:26PM, rob_dylan wrote:

Not sure we were even backable.

Annoying - thought that might happen but wasn't prepared to get up early on a Sunday!