England v AUs 2nd ODI

are u blind...

LOL Conclusive evidence there to overturn the decision imo

There was a hotspot on his helmet too did it hit his head too?

troubling times for england here now

there was a massive hotspot on his bum

england not currently worth their 1.17 price

Jul 1, 2012 -- 6:17PM, HansUlrichApfelStrudel wrote:

LOL Conclusive evidence there to overturn the decision imo There was a hotspot on his helmet too did it hit his head too?

no cos the ball was no where near his head

cause u layed them with 1.27??

Morgan knew he hit it

nick knight just described morgan's shot as morganesque.

what a prize, pseud idiot.

But there was a hotspot on his helmet so according to the umpire that is undeniable proof it hit his head.

There were two other hotspots on his bat so he hit it 3 times imo.

tell you what lads, englands batting line up after these two are poor. If aussies can nick one or possibbly two more wickets before teh 40th over then i make aussies favourite

there are two marks on his bat.

lots of noise in those pictures

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But there was a hotspot on his helmet so according to the umpire that is undeniable proof it hit his head.

There were two other hotspots on his bat so he hit it 3 times imo.


Yeah except the ones on his bat appeared after the ball went past

why dont you put your bank account on australia then????

Jul 1, 2012 -- 5:00PM, Legend_007 wrote:

Bopara is a massive liability for England. Has been rubbish for most of his matches

australia robbed there! why on earth didnt they use that technology for the review?

lol snicko shows nothing

Nothing on snicko passing the bat, definitely hit him on the head first then.

bollox, snickometer is broken, it touched the bat... END OF!

I dont care either way, umpires decision matters. am green on england too

nervy time for england backers at low odds

Michael Holidng reading my forum posts.

He is shrewd imo.

that hotspot shows the bat going through some ir noise which you can see all over the image.

far and away the weakest part of the drs imho.

I don't see what the issue is, a mark appeared on hotspot at the place where the ball passed the bat...... what's so confusing about that?

There were other marks on the bat and on his head.

Glad you don't work for the Police. If there was a murder in the UK, just being in the UK at the time would mean you had committed the murder.

^

bet you guys are happy there's no tennis on today so you get our good frined 007 over here

1. The mark on his head was there the whole time
2. Why are you even looking at the rest of the bat? The only place you should be looking is where the ball passed..... and that's where a mark appeared AFTER the ball passed

i think its safe to say, after today i wont ever be back on the cricket forum

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we were?  choke?

Can you not take it further and just never be back on the forum?

Jul 1, 2012 -- 6:31PM, Legend_007 wrote:

i think its safe to say, after today i wont ever be back on the cricket forum

id have a better laugh if i spent the night in a morgue on my own

say i promise



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There were three marks that appeared near the edge of  bat after he played at it. Chances are one would be vaguely near the ball.

Nothing on snicko either.

Regardless whether Morgan did or didn't hit it, Aleem Dar was always going to give it out after he had helped himself to  the 1.26/1.27

I Salute Bopara he was facing BigTime Pressure walking out to bat with the game in the balance and his critics lining up to Hammer him if he failed!

If I was Wearing a Hat I would take it off to salute that 1/2 Century by Ravi!

cricket an absoulute disgusting sport to watch and even worst to bet on

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bet you guys are happy there's no tennis on today so you get our good frined 007 over here


Is this guy that Mardy Fish bloke? If so it seems he'd toned it down a bit since his various bans

but another mark appeared as the ball passed, as well as the bat clearly moving through noise which was clear on the image.

hotspot is weak. imho it provides false negatives and positives. i suspect because they've tried to eliminate the false negatives (i.e. edges not showing up) by turning up the sensitivity of the camera it now picks up too much noise and you get those sorts of results.

* not out

see you on the T20 thread legend.

when does the T20 start?

dont mind watching a bit of T20 cricket. alot more fun

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but another mark appeared as the ball passed, as well as the bat clearly moving through noise which was clear on the image.

hotspot is weak. imho it provides false negatives and positives. i suspect because they've tried to eliminate the false negatives (i.e. edges not showing up) by turning up the sensitivity of the camera it now picks up too much noise and you get those sorts of results.

Let's be honest, for that horspot to be wrong, the noise would have had to appear in that exact spot and just after the ball had passed... how likely is that?

you said earlier you watched cricket everyday!you going to bet on new zealand on t20

btw chaps - is there any sort of cricket tourney starting soon? like a world cup, t20 world cup or odi world cup?

just had a look at the prices for the T20 match! What on earth is that about? 1.4 for WI against the mighty NZ? Has to be layed

go away your boring

You obviously didn't see NZ last night then

Legend, go for a walk

ffs, get to bresnan n broad atleast....

i want to see some hitting from bresnan n broady

Watch any replay with the hotspot camera and there are loads of apparent hotspots even if the batsman was nowhere near the ball.

It is a dodgy piece of equipment. It should not be used to overturn umpires out decisions because that is only meant to be done if it is an obvious wrong decision.

At best it could be used to say there may be an inside if an umpire says not out, as there may be some evidence to support umps decision.

every team has a bad match now and again but 1.4 for WI agaisnt NZ is barmy. was expecting NZ to be favourites, let alone massive outsiders

however, as the match is on at the same tiem as SPain Vs Italy, i no where my priorites lie in this one

legend your not even funny go outside meet people :)

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Watch any replay with the hotspot camera and there are loads of apparent hotspots even if the batsman was nowhere near the ball.



Ok you've convinced me what that water tight argument with zero specific examples

ravi boparra showing his class now at international level

1. Explain why there are three hotspots showing when the ball passed the bat?
2. I said watch any replay

Hope this helps.

So Legend.

Aussies have been spanked and England led home by that joke Player Bopara.

Must make you down about £2 on the day then?

The point remains to overturn the umpire's decision there has to be conclusive proof of a mistake.

Hotspot is far from conclusive.

1. Some is noise, but the fact remains the only place in that whole video that matters is where the ball passed the bat.
2. Clearly you don't even understand what a hotspot even is if you are confused that there may be other bright areas on the same picture

well i never said england will get spanked if u read throughout the thread i was saying the prices were not correct. i stand by my decision

So you say hotspots can be caused by noise.

How can you use possible noise as 100% proof that an umpire is wrong?

legand u must be huge red here... lol

i normally see red when it comes to betting on betfair to be honest

about as simple a win as you could imagine

oz will probably still start faves for the 3rd game

bopara needs 7 more runs to take the MOM award

That video showed a mark where the ball passed the bat after the ball had passed the bat.

If you are going to use hotspot in DRS then if that happens you have to take it as fact. It's not like the mark was there before the ball had passed. What you are inferring as a possible instrument error is far less likely than some noise happen in an exact time and place for it to look like the ball had hit the bat when it didn't.

looking forward to another aus biased market Wednesday :)

alot of people pushing the price down on west indies. Big money coming in. Could be bent?

Three hotspots appeared on the bat when the ball went passed.

One was vaguely near where the ball passed.

There was no sound.

Nothing picked up on snicko.

Yet you will bet your life 100% the umpire was clearly wrong?

Jul 1, 2012 -- 6:50PM, Legend_007 wrote:

alot of people pushing the price down on west indies. Big money coming in. Could be bent?

not really legand.. they have thebest t20 batsman.. & bowler at the moment..

well why havent they won anything ever then?

I'm saying the evidence is clear for us all to see that the ball hit the bat. The other hotspots/noise on the bat is irellevant, only the spot where the ball passed is relevant

Jul 1, 2012 -- 6:51PM, HansUlrichApfelStrudel wrote:

Three hotspots appeared on the bat when the ball went passed.One was vaguely near where the ball passed.There was no sound.Nothing picked up on snicko.Yet you will bet your life 100% the umpire was clearly wrong?

"vaguely"?
you mean exactly the position and time the ball passed the bat?

australia are crumbling here, not even putting up a fight.

the morgan wicket was the turning point here. If that had been giving out, then aussi would have won here

You have just said hotspots can be caused by noise.

Three hotspots appeared at the same time. None were very clear at all.

No noise.

No snicko.

Yet you are 100% convinced the ball hit the bat?

You have just said hotspots can be caused by noise.

Three hotspots appeared at the same time. None were very clear at all.

No noise.

No snicko.

Yet you are 100% convinced the ball hit the bat?

right, its been fun lads. Time to make my back to the footie forum. Memorable experience with the cricket folks. Cheerio

It was vaguely near were you thought it hit the bat, because all evidence suggests he did not hit it

They don't use snicko cos snicko is not as reliable..... yet that is what you are basing your argument on...

cleat edge.. get over it

no, it was exactly where the ball passed the bat (even if it didn't hit). As the ball passed the bat precisely, the hotspot appeared instantaneously suggesting it hit the bat. it's not hard to comprehend really.

Its about time Bopara is getting some reward. After for going the IPL last year to concentrate on international cricket.

No I am not basing my arument on snicko.

The POINT is you have to conclusively prove the umpire was wrong.

Saying one of three hotspots which we know can be caused by noise appeared near where he may of hit it it is not CONCLUSIVE proof.

Given that there were three hotspots appearing at the same time is clear evidence of noise. This evidence would be thrown out in any criminal case as contaminated.

As I said before glad you are not a Detective in charge of a murder case.

That is all.

Now to get money on the WI

if that's the case why don't I see you crying about Hawkeye where they use a bloody cartoon animation to 'conclusively' prove if the ball was hitting the stumps?

one of the worst aussie teams this one

13 off 3 balls wi

Never in doubt since 11.15

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Anyway, Bopara to see us home? He could do with an 80 not out to boost his confidence.

dragon what was the bet for you

I didn't bet, FF. Just thought he could do with a red inker.

i think you summed it up most succinctly mafeking: the gulf between the bowling is huge, although that id' add that away from very batsmen friendly grounds, i think our batting is better and deeper than theirs.

aussies have to up there game or lose the series 5 0

It's staggering but there's no comparison between these two sides. For what 20 years nearly, Australia were better in every department then under Vaughan we caught up with them and when we won the Ashes back it was an epic contest. But following the retirement of several key players, the roles have completely reversed. England are better bowlers, batsmen and in the field, and this isn't quite as good an England team as it was just a couple of years ago.

not sure about that. at home england are pretty invincible at the moment. think they've lost 1 match in all formats in the last year and that was a virtual 2nd XI 20/20 against west indies at the **** end of last season. that's the sort of thing the old australia would do.

how many of the aussies would get in the england side ? no more than 3 or 4.