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17 May 12
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I'm with screaming 2-9 to chase donw the joint 4th highest target ever chased in the 4th innings of a test at lords doo me a favour., think it's probably 10-15 ticks too low.
4th innings is often easiest time to bat here. be pretty shocked if Eng lose this. looking for a bigger price to get on em if anything.
4th innings is often easiest time to bat here. be pretty shocked if Eng lose this. looking for a bigger price to get on em if anything.
true lix, but 4th innings chases on day 5 with the pressure on are never straight forward. England favs not doubting that, just wouldn't have gone anywhere near the 2-9 this morning
agree dougy. not touched anything today. Taking on Cook/Trott over the past few years aint worth it.
just when England were starting to make it look easy. gets very interesting now, these two need to put on 50 at least really
Market drift into England for a handful of byes, one decent boundary and a edge through the slips looks a bit funny now.
odds are so so wrong! 1 wicket for 14 runs and it's lower than sp!
Very overcast here in the south. Perfect bowling conditions.
drift in on the byes was madness
looking tough at moment, roach spell here could be game
looking tough at moment, roach spell here could be game
Just logged on. I think those County games have some relevance just to demonstrate that right now batting on the last day at Lord's is not straightforward. And if you're betting a nine hundred to two on, you want everything to be totally straightforward. There is no margin for error or doubt at those odds.
For what it's worth, I thought England were by far the likelier winner last night, and I still do. Just not 9 times out of 11 winners.
For what it's worth, I thought England were by far the likelier winner last night, and I still do. Just not 9 times out of 11 winners.
in total agreement screaming
STOP bowling no balls you numptys
STOP bowling no balls you numptys
Another no ball. Would be typical windies self destruct if they took a wicket off a no ball and went on o lose.
Not sure i fancy Eng if it gets close. Bigpoppa used to say the great Aussie team were no good in close games as had been used to winning so easily most of the time. England's success has been built on lots of big crushing wins also.
does look tough
you would think need them 5 down after new ball spell of roach
older ball dont do as much and as mentioned would worry about windies change bowlers
have to keep in mind too that its 2 plus anderson,
you would think need them 5 down after new ball spell of roach
older ball dont do as much and as mentioned would worry about windies change bowlers
have to keep in mind too that its 2 plus anderson,
Spot on SY. Windies need 60/70-5 before batting gets easier.
may well not be pretty but far worse 5s on shots on a quiet day....
G Swann last night: "We've got Trotty and Cooky at the crease so we'll very confident that they can see us through ... to get a chase of less than 200 we're happy with."
G Swann this morning: "A hundred and ninety-one? I wouldn't fancy these Saffer chokers to chase down ninety-one."
G Swann this morning: "A hundred and ninety-one? I wouldn't fancy these Saffer chokers to chase down ninety-one."
Overcast conditions on day 5 on any ground is hard work. England are trying hard but it's futile.
Another wicket for WI in the next few overs then i cant see England winning so i couldnt take the 1.37 there is easier money out there!!
1.37 is far too short on England berto. I still expect them to win but this has a very similar feel to the Pakistan tests and first SL test
Bell an absolute cert to nick off to an absolute beauty, and people to claim he's a bottler.
Pietersen threw his wicket away. Roach only got another over or two left. Batting becoming easier. England bat all the way down.
England still have a long long way to go here, these two need to get them to about 140-4 before they're safe imo
how can we be almost back to sp this morning for 55 runs and 2 wickets ?
ok, dipping my toes in now. nearly 5/1 WI has to be a bet here win or lose.
Think Cook will do the job for them.. he is just superb .
got a feeling Sammy's gonna pick up a huge wicket soon to silence all his doubters
If these two add about 15 or so more we're into 1.0x territory
always a decent trade when the runs are coming so quickly.....
73-2 probably even start to day given ball getting older and roach through overs
another minor point to think about is that England have 2 reviews left while WI only have 1. Having said that, you can expect Broad to waste one of England's reviews when he's out plumb lbw
do they add an extra 30 mins to afternoon session if say only 20 runs or 2 wkts needed ?
like spanish inquisition, people never expect wickets when watching cricket it's why batting teams are generally over bet in all forms of the game.
Not even half way there yet
Not even half way there yet
cook looking the dogs dangles
as expected ball getting older batting looking easier
as expected ball getting older batting looking easier
STEPTOES YARD 21 May 12 12:33
oh for a mystery spinner
Yes. I love Darren Sammy, but going for a win you can see how his presence ruins the balance of the side. Even if Sunil Narine wasn't at the IPL, how could you squeeze him into this XI without dropping Sammy or relying on just two pace bowlers?
oh for a mystery spinner
Yes. I love Darren Sammy, but going for a win you can see how his presence ruins the balance of the side. Even if Sunil Narine wasn't at the IPL, how could you squeeze him into this XI without dropping Sammy or relying on just two pace bowlers?
its a difficult one, sammy been great as skipper but as you say it does lead to problems with balance as not sure against good batting line ups if he has enough to be 3rd seamer.
only way i see it is you play Dwayne bravo at 6 instead of samuels
1st choice windies XI (with sammy in it)
Gayle
Barath
Edwards
Bravo
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Ramdin/baugh( or someone decent)
Sammy
Roach
Rampual
Narine/shillingford (or both on spinning pitches)
1st choice windies XI (with sammy in it)
Gayle
Barath
Edwards
Bravo
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Ramdin/baugh( or someone decent)
Sammy
Roach
Rampual
Narine/shillingford (or both on spinning pitches)
Marlon Samuels instead of Kirk Edwards and that would be one hell of a side, with a depth of bowling options any country would envy.
that way you have 4 seam options and a spinner, plus gayles part time stuff, and you don't weaken the batting too much with bravo in for Samuels
I think Kirk Edwards could become a decent, solid batsman. But right now they need to win matches, and the best Edwards could do is help you drag it into day 5.
Samuels has played 37 tests and still averages under 30 with just 2 tons in that time, may have "all the talent in the world" but he just hasn't done it, can't keep giving them chances.
Edwards has had a blinding start to his career, looks like he's got a good head on his shoulders and has had a couple of bad test matches in a row and all of a sudden he's sh*te. Complete nonsense played 7 matches has ..... guess how many tons??? The same as flashy Marlon 2!
I'll still with the younger up and coming player thankyou.
Edwards has had a blinding start to his career, looks like he's got a good head on his shoulders and has had a couple of bad test matches in a row and all of a sudden he's sh*te. Complete nonsense played 7 matches has ..... guess how many tons??? The same as flashy Marlon 2!
I'll still with the younger up and coming player thankyou.
What a depth and range of talent the W Indies could have when you start thinking about it.
Love Sarwan, but time to move on, build a young side around chanders and bravo, no problem with Gayle coming back into the side as long as he puts windies international cricket 1st. Pick him for all games, lf he wants to swan off and do something else instead then you never pick him again.
agree though that young guys like edwards probably deserve a run
Did anyone else hear the WICB chief exec on sky the other day. He made the valid point that a lot of the windies 'potential' team, including gayle, sarwan, Jerome Taylor etc played in the 2009 tour that got hammered over here. He suggested the way forward was building team spirit and character. They've shown plenty of that in this test.
mentioned that other day. Yep its clear that one or two of missing players would improve side but lets remember the windies been a shambles over here last few visits. Gayle even though skipper rocked up about 20 minutes before the toss from the ipl in 2009
they have certainly battled hard but the trouble is can they play any better ?
england have been pretty average but still look like winning fairly comfortably in the end. windies have scored nearly 600 runs with chanders getting the best part of 200. they'll hard pressed to repeat that.
england have been pretty average but still look like winning fairly comfortably in the end. windies have scored nearly 600 runs with chanders getting the best part of 200. they'll hard pressed to repeat that.
Well engalnd are quite clearly the better side, so not surprising that they'll win. But they've also been quite clearly the better side vs the windies teams that included, gayle sarwan chanderpaul and bravo over the last 5-10 years. This side have done no worse, if not far better.
I would have thought on low slow spinning tracks with narine and Shillingford in the side they'll be more than a handfull. This tour all about getting experience, put up far more of a fight against england than india did last summer.
I would have thought on low slow spinning tracks with narine and Shillingford in the side they'll be more than a handfull. This tour all about getting experience, put up far more of a fight against england than india did last summer.
hmm.. England matched at better than 8/1 in 3 of those wins last year vs INdia suggests it wasnt quite a walkover each time..
Eng won a very handy toss here too. Game could've gone to the wire had we batted 1st and any rain (losing 1 session even) would have made the draw a very good chance.
West Indies really need to work on Roach's no ball problem.
His test average is 28 which is good but it could be well below 25 if he wasn't giving away so many runs from no balls and subsequent extra deliveries.
18 now balls is clearly unacceptable from someone you want to be bowling a bulk of the overs
His test average is 28 which is good but it could be well below 25 if he wasn't giving away so many runs from no balls and subsequent extra deliveries.
18 now balls is clearly unacceptable from someone you want to be bowling a bulk of the overs
If Chanders batted further up the order then I think the Windies would have a much better chance of bigger totals ...I mean it's not rocket science is it ??
he's had 39 NO's in his test career , just imagine how many runs thats cost him and the Windies ...
he's had 39 NO's in his test career , just imagine how many runs thats cost him and the Windies ...
i am sure they have asked chanderpaul where he wants to bat.
if he wants to bat 5 he will bat 5
if he wants to bat 5 he will bat 5
Easy peasy in the end. Can't wait for the next test - might even have a bet on that.
A 5 wicket win is a disapointing margin for the number 1 team at home to the number 7 after winning the toss and they will have to play better against South Africa. If you combined the teams it would be 10 English players and Chanderpaul. Windies need Gayle and Sarwan back. You cant blame them for playing in ipl if the windies board dont give them enough money like the English do but it is causing them a problem.
5 wicket win but one of them was anderson and cook got out with 2 needed going after ball
was pretty comfortable in the end. west indies are improving fast and batted well and bowled with good pace.
Often hard work getting the win at lords as pitch so good.
was pretty comfortable in the end. west indies are improving fast and batted well and bowled with good pace.
Often hard work getting the win at lords as pitch so good.
it's the depth of the bowling attack that obviously sets england apart from the rest. impressive stat on cricinfo that since the start of 2010 the 7 bowlers who've played regularly for england - the 4 in this match plus tremlett, finn and monty - average 27 or less.
very hard to beat when the opposition so rarely get 300 against us these days. tremendous effort from the windies to almost last the day starting 4 down on sunday.
very hard to beat when the opposition so rarely get 300 against us these days. tremendous effort from the windies to almost last the day starting 4 down on sunday.
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