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I was surprised to see England as low as 1.64 this morning considering the very real possibility of some dodgy weather forcing the draw price in.
I know Lords has miraculous drainage but if the weather is anything like it has been recently, they will still lose a fair bit of time - the long-range forecast doesn't look great.
What do people consider to be the lowest price England would go (ie if the match came around and it looked like a clear 5 days weather wise)?
I know Lords has miraculous drainage but if the weather is anything like it has been recently, they will still lose a fair bit of time - the long-range forecast doesn't look great.
What do people consider to be the lowest price England would go (ie if the match came around and it looked like a clear 5 days weather wise)?
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Its not ganna rain for 10 weeks. could well be very sunny this time next week. Draw a massive lay if Windies are batting under cloud wearing their woolies.
Draw a back for me at this stage - the long term forecast is currently poor at best, and with there already having been so much rain around I can foresee a massive rush on the draw nearer the time if the forecast remains bad.
Agree I wouldn't fancy an under-prepped WI side against the swinging ball, but more upside in being on the draw at this stage.
Agree I wouldn't fancy an under-prepped WI side against the swinging ball, but more upside in being on the draw at this stage.
Haven't the windies some visa issues with some players?
agreed. laying windies always a value bet (in tests), whatever the price. this may make me sound like morse but they are well and truly mugs
whats the point of the WI half there team dont even play...
Windies were competitive in every game v Ausssies, yes ultimately they kept blowing it but they are On the Rise and not to be bracketed with Zimbabwe and Bangladesh!
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Good point Cardinal - West Indies also played well in the Test matches on their recent tour to India.
Given the conditions the Windies are still a lay. They've been drifting over the last few weeks and it's always good to have the draw on side.
I see no reason to be on the WI at this stage.
Against a swinging ball in English conditions in May is a very different proposition to be being 'competitive' in more familiar conditions.
In recent Tests the market has given WI very little credit in running and I anticipate this to continue. There will be plenty of time to bring WI on side later in the game if you see fit.
Against a swinging ball in English conditions in May is a very different proposition to be being 'competitive' in more familiar conditions.
In recent Tests the market has given WI very little credit in running and I anticipate this to continue. There will be plenty of time to bring WI on side later in the game if you see fit.
agree with asparagus and moreover i don't think you can underestimate the hardcore preparation england will have had in the domestic game in terrible batting conditions.
I think I am right that England have only ever once lost a home test match starting in May.
This was against Pak in 2001 (starting on 31 May). Scorecard is here - note forum favourite NV Knight batting at 7
http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1563
This was against Pak in 2001 (starting on 31 May). Scorecard is here - note forum favourite NV Knight batting at 7
http://howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1563
england haven't lost the first test of the summer since 1995. suppose it's not that surprising since they've generally been on the rise on the rise since the start of the 2000s and the early series is always against average or awful opposition
yeah even against Australia they were at home and still lost the series despite being "competitive" - that's just a nice word which says for once they weren't completely annihilated. Apart from Bravo and Chanderpaul, I genuinely don't think they're much better than Bangladesh.
67/4 against the Lions atm and even Chanderpaul is out
67/4 against the Lions atm and even Chanderpaul is out
should point out they're a different beast in limited overs matches with the likes of Pollard, Narine and Russell (and probably Gayle soon as well)
Did Fidel Edwards really start the innings by bowling 3 no balls in a row?
If Umar Gul did that the Umpires would have walked him straight off the pitch and down to the station!
Seriously though, a player has a bit of time warming up, they then mark their run up and do a couple of practise run ups. Ok the first one you don't get it right. But surely the second and third you can find your mark!
If Umar Gul did that the Umpires would have walked him straight off the pitch and down to the station!
Seriously though, a player has a bit of time warming up, they then mark their run up and do a couple of practise run ups. Ok the first one you don't get it right. But surely the second and third you can find your mark!
some arbtastic opportunites with Stans, Victor and Billy's on the draw if you think it'll go low before forecasts for next w/e firm
Clearly Windies are huge dogs here, aren't we missing value here laying the draw and not backing England outright Lix?
will the likes of bravo, powell and smith be coming to england?
Draw drifted quite a bit over the last 24 hours. Now 1.55 / 10 / 3.9
Looks like cold and cloudy for the first few days - forecast still quite dodgy for the weekend.
WI beaten very comfortably by Lions
Looks like cold and cloudy for the first few days - forecast still quite dodgy for the weekend.
WI beaten very comfortably by Lions
England now 1.45, weather predictions must've cleared up a bit
was planning to back england, but not at this price, think i start with a cheeky £35 on windies @ 12.5,
like the back the draw then lay it but not on this game. every thing pointing to a big england win. Will watch the game in NZ hoping for trading opportunities. Hope to back england at a higher price.
shortest ever england price pre game other than against zim or the bangles ?
Yeah, 1.44 matched Think we may have been 1.4x vs Pak after winning the toss at Edge in 2010
Expect Eng to win but very short here with some weather about although I cant really be against eng
when Windies are batting. They could easily be AO for 150 odd under cold grey skies.
Think we may have been 1.4x vs Pak after winning the toss at Edge in 2010Expect Eng to win but very short here with some weather about although I cant really be against eng
when Windies are batting. They could easily be AO for 150 odd under cold grey skies.
WI didnt have much practice today either so gonna be very undercooked.
wouldn't be a massive surprise if they don't make 300 all series. only 2 test class batsmen in the side. gonna be 50/3 or worse quite a few times i'd imagine
well Samuels is back so he improves their batting a bit. Probably at the expense of the awful Powell. Thats assuming Deonarine is playing and has sorted out his visa problem 
Sundays weather looks pretty bleak but the game maybe well advanced by then. This game is probably gonna be 'who can get the biggest price on eng' . Think we can trade above evens though if we bat 1st.
Sundays weather looks pretty bleak but the game maybe well advanced by then. This game is probably gonna be 'who can get the biggest price on eng' . Think we can trade above evens though if we bat 1st.
1st English summer without a long winded post from Bigjoe telling us what a hilariously low price eng are.. 
Can someone do one please...
Can someone do one please...
Early cricket was at some time or another described as "a club striking a ball (like) the ancient games of club-ball, stool-ball, trap-ball, stob-ball".[3] Cricket can definitely be traced back to Tudor times in early 16th-century England. Written evidence exists of a game known as creag being played by Prince Edward, the son of Edward I (Longshanks), at Newenden, Kent in 1301[4] and there has been speculation, but no evidence, that this was a form of cricket.
A number of other words have been suggested as sources for the term "cricket". In the earliest definite reference to the sport in 1598,[5] it is called creckett. Given the strong medieval trade connections between south-east England and the County of Flanders when the latter belonged to the Duchy of Burgundy, the name may have been derived from the Middle Dutch[6] krick(-e), meaning a stick (crook); or the Old English cricc or cryce meaning a crutch or staff.[7] In Old French, the word criquet seems to have meant a kind of club or stick.[8] In Samuel Johnson's Dictionary, he derived cricket from "cryce, Saxon, a stick".[9] Another possible source is the Middle Dutch word krickstoel, meaning a long low stool used for kneeling in church and which resembled the long low wicket with two stumps used in early cricket.[10] According to Heiner Gillmeister, a European language expert of Bonn University, "cricket" derives from the Middle Dutch phrase for hockey, met de (krik ket)sen (i.e., "with the stick chase").[11] Dr Gillmeister believes that not only the name but the sport itself is of Flemish origin.[12]
The first English touring team on board ship at Liverpool in 1859
The earliest definite reference to cricket being played in England (and hence anywhere) is in evidence given at a 1598 court case which mentions that "creckett" was played on common land in Guildford, Surrey, around 1550. The court in Guildford heard on Monday, 17 January 1597 (Julian date, equating to the year 1598 in the Gregorian calendar) from a 59 year-old coroner, John Derrick, who gave witness that when he was a scholar at the "Free School at Guildford", fifty years earlier, "hee and diverse of his fellows did runne and play [on the common land] at creckett and other plaies."[13][14] It is believed that it was originally a children's game but references around 1610[14] indicate that adults had started playing it and the earliest reference to inter-parish or village cricket occurs soon afterwards. In 1624, a player called Jasper Vinall was killed when he was struck on the head during a match between two parish teams in Sussex.[15]
During the 17th century, numerous references indicate the growth of cricket in the south-east of England. By the end of the century, it had become an organised activity being played for high stakes and it is believed that the first professionals appeared in the years following the Restoration in 1660. A newspaper report survives of "a great cricket match" with eleven players a side that was played for high stakes in Sussex in 1697 and this is the earliest known reference to a cricket match of such importance.
The game underwent major development in the 18th century and became the national sport of England. Betting played a major part in that development with rich patrons forming their own "select XIs". Cricket was prominent in London as early as 1707 and large crowds flocked to matches on the Artillery Ground in Finsbury. The single wicket form of the sport attracted huge crowds and wagers to match. Bowling evolved around 1760 when bowlers began to pitch the ball instead of rolling or skimming it towards the batsman. This caused a revolution in bat design because, to deal with the bouncing ball, it was necessary to introduce the modern straight bat in place of the old "hockey stick" shape. The Hambledon Club was founded in the 1760s and, for the next 20 years until the formation of MCC and the opening of Lord's Old Ground in 1787, Hambledon was both the game's greatest club and its focal point. MCC quickly became the sport's premier club and the custodian of the Laws of Cricket. New Laws introduced in the latter part of the 18th century included the three stump wicket and leg before wicket (lbw).
Don Bradman had a Test average of 99.94 and an overall first-class average of 95.14, records unmatched by any other player.[16]
The 19th century saw underarm bowling replaced by first roundarm and then overarm bowling. Both developments were controversial. Organisation of the game at county level led to the creation of the county clubs, starting with Sussex CCC in 1839, which ultimately formed the official County Championship in 1890. Meanwhile, the British Empire had been instrumental in spreading the game overseas and by the middle of the 19th century it had become well established in India, North America, the Caribbean, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. In 1844, the first international cricket match took place between the United States and Canada (although neither has ever been ranked as a Test-playing nation).
In 1859, a team of England players went on the first overseas tour (to North America). The first Australian team to tour overseas was a team of Aboriginal stockmen who travelled to England in 1868 to play matches against county teams.[17] In 1862, an English team made the first tour of Australia and in 1876–77, an England team took part in the first-ever Test match at the Melbourne Cricket Ground against Australia.
W.G. Grace started his long career in 1865; his career is often said to have revolutionised the sport.[18] The rivalry between England and Australia gave birth to The Ashes in 1882 and this has remained Test cricket's most famous contest[citation needed]. Test cricket began to expand in 1888–89 when South Africa played England. The last two decades before the First World War have been called the "Golden Age of cricket". It is a nostalgic name prompted by the collective sense of loss resulting from the war, but the period did produce some great players and memorable matches, especially as organised competition at county and Test level developed.
The inter-war years were dominated by one player: Australia's Don Bradman, statistically the greatest batsman of all time. It was the determination of the England team to overcome his skill that brought about the infamous Bodyline series in 1932–33, particularly from the accurate short-pitched bowling of Harold Larwood. Test cricket continued to expand during the 20th century with the addition of the West Indies, India, and New Zealand before the Second World War and then Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh in the post-war period. However, South Africa was banned from international cricket from 1970 to 1992 because of its government's apartheid policy.
Cricket entered a new era in 1963 when English counties introduced the limited overs variant. As it was sure to produce a result, limited overs cricket was lucrative and the number of matches increased. The first Limited Overs International was played in 1971. The governing International Cricket Council (ICC) saw its potential and staged the first limited overs Cricket World Cup in 1975. In the 21st century, a new limited overs form, Twenty20, has made an immediate impact.
IN SHORT ENGLAND ARE A VERY LOW PRICE
A number of other words have been suggested as sources for the term "cricket". In the earliest definite reference to the sport in 1598,[5] it is called creckett. Given the strong medieval trade connections between south-east England and the County of Flanders when the latter belonged to the Duchy of Burgundy, the name may have been derived from the Middle Dutch[6] krick(-e), meaning a stick (crook); or the Old English cricc or cryce meaning a crutch or staff.[7] In Old French, the word criquet seems to have meant a kind of club or stick.[8] In Samuel Johnson's Dictionary, he derived cricket from "cryce, Saxon, a stick".[9] Another possible source is the Middle Dutch word krickstoel, meaning a long low stool used for kneeling in church and which resembled the long low wicket with two stumps used in early cricket.[10] According to Heiner Gillmeister, a European language expert of Bonn University, "cricket" derives from the Middle Dutch phrase for hockey, met de (krik ket)sen (i.e., "with the stick chase").[11] Dr Gillmeister believes that not only the name but the sport itself is of Flemish origin.[12]
The first English touring team on board ship at Liverpool in 1859
The earliest definite reference to cricket being played in England (and hence anywhere) is in evidence given at a 1598 court case which mentions that "creckett" was played on common land in Guildford, Surrey, around 1550. The court in Guildford heard on Monday, 17 January 1597 (Julian date, equating to the year 1598 in the Gregorian calendar) from a 59 year-old coroner, John Derrick, who gave witness that when he was a scholar at the "Free School at Guildford", fifty years earlier, "hee and diverse of his fellows did runne and play [on the common land] at creckett and other plaies."[13][14] It is believed that it was originally a children's game but references around 1610[14] indicate that adults had started playing it and the earliest reference to inter-parish or village cricket occurs soon afterwards. In 1624, a player called Jasper Vinall was killed when he was struck on the head during a match between two parish teams in Sussex.[15]
During the 17th century, numerous references indicate the growth of cricket in the south-east of England. By the end of the century, it had become an organised activity being played for high stakes and it is believed that the first professionals appeared in the years following the Restoration in 1660. A newspaper report survives of "a great cricket match" with eleven players a side that was played for high stakes in Sussex in 1697 and this is the earliest known reference to a cricket match of such importance.
The game underwent major development in the 18th century and became the national sport of England. Betting played a major part in that development with rich patrons forming their own "select XIs". Cricket was prominent in London as early as 1707 and large crowds flocked to matches on the Artillery Ground in Finsbury. The single wicket form of the sport attracted huge crowds and wagers to match. Bowling evolved around 1760 when bowlers began to pitch the ball instead of rolling or skimming it towards the batsman. This caused a revolution in bat design because, to deal with the bouncing ball, it was necessary to introduce the modern straight bat in place of the old "hockey stick" shape. The Hambledon Club was founded in the 1760s and, for the next 20 years until the formation of MCC and the opening of Lord's Old Ground in 1787, Hambledon was both the game's greatest club and its focal point. MCC quickly became the sport's premier club and the custodian of the Laws of Cricket. New Laws introduced in the latter part of the 18th century included the three stump wicket and leg before wicket (lbw).
Don Bradman had a Test average of 99.94 and an overall first-class average of 95.14, records unmatched by any other player.[16]
The 19th century saw underarm bowling replaced by first roundarm and then overarm bowling. Both developments were controversial. Organisation of the game at county level led to the creation of the county clubs, starting with Sussex CCC in 1839, which ultimately formed the official County Championship in 1890. Meanwhile, the British Empire had been instrumental in spreading the game overseas and by the middle of the 19th century it had become well established in India, North America, the Caribbean, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. In 1844, the first international cricket match took place between the United States and Canada (although neither has ever been ranked as a Test-playing nation).
In 1859, a team of England players went on the first overseas tour (to North America). The first Australian team to tour overseas was a team of Aboriginal stockmen who travelled to England in 1868 to play matches against county teams.[17] In 1862, an English team made the first tour of Australia and in 1876–77, an England team took part in the first-ever Test match at the Melbourne Cricket Ground against Australia.
W.G. Grace started his long career in 1865; his career is often said to have revolutionised the sport.[18] The rivalry between England and Australia gave birth to The Ashes in 1882 and this has remained Test cricket's most famous contest[citation needed]. Test cricket began to expand in 1888–89 when South Africa played England. The last two decades before the First World War have been called the "Golden Age of cricket". It is a nostalgic name prompted by the collective sense of loss resulting from the war, but the period did produce some great players and memorable matches, especially as organised competition at county and Test level developed.
The inter-war years were dominated by one player: Australia's Don Bradman, statistically the greatest batsman of all time. It was the determination of the England team to overcome his skill that brought about the infamous Bodyline series in 1932–33, particularly from the accurate short-pitched bowling of Harold Larwood. Test cricket continued to expand during the 20th century with the addition of the West Indies, India, and New Zealand before the Second World War and then Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh in the post-war period. However, South Africa was banned from international cricket from 1970 to 1992 because of its government's apartheid policy.
Cricket entered a new era in 1963 when English counties introduced the limited overs variant. As it was sure to produce a result, limited overs cricket was lucrative and the number of matches increased. The first Limited Overs International was played in 1971. The governing International Cricket Council (ICC) saw its potential and staged the first limited overs Cricket World Cup in 1975. In the 21st century, a new limited overs form, Twenty20, has made an immediate impact.
IN SHORT ENGLAND ARE A VERY LOW PRICE
I'm sure Joe is busy topping up on WI 3-0 as we write.
There has been a lot of love for the England price in the last few days, and I'm not convinced this is going to abate especially if the forecasts keep moving the rain back. Could even see an old Australia-esque price move where if they bat and start OK they shorten to 1.3x quickly.
No bet for me at current chocs - but will look to pick up some England if they drift.
There has been a lot of love for the England price in the last few days, and I'm not convinced this is going to abate especially if the forecasts keep moving the rain back. Could even see an old Australia-esque price move where if they bat and start OK they shorten to 1.3x quickly.
No bet for me at current chocs - but will look to pick up some England if they drift.
What is the point of the Test Series when most of Windies best players are still playing IPL? Really cheapening Test Cricket in playing this.
Just scrap the tests and wait for the IPL players to return for ODIs imo
Just scrap the tests and wait for the IPL players to return for ODIs imo
personaly think england should win but will not be backing them at 1.45 will get bigger at some stage
I just cant see anything other than the windies getting skittled every time they bat, this is the best attack in the world under its most favourable conditions against a poor batting line up who cant play swing bowling, i'll be surprised if they score 250 in any innings in the series, 1.45 is a big price imo.
WI bowling attack is half decent , wait and see policy advised .
The West Indies, will not bat more than 140 overs in this match. England proved in the sub continent, that this is a very fine bowling attack and that was against good quality batting. They are now up against the WI 2nd xl, almost, don't be surprised, if this match, finishes in 3 days, although the Lords wicket, may allow the game to go a little further. England without the weather factor, should be 1/4, and there is plenty of value, in this particular 1/2 shot.
even more so now with west indies being put in,draw will be double figures when there 5 down at lunch
draw is a gonna now unless it rains plenty on saturday and sunday.
over gone: 1
wickets lost: 0
draw backers: coining it in
draw layers: staring at a huge loss. mugs
wickets lost: 0
draw backers: coining it in
draw layers: staring at a huge loss. mugs
test cricket is so boring
easy draw here
time to turn on the ipl for some real cricket
easy draw here
time to turn on the ipl for some real cricket
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