when is a winning bet not a winning bet? answer..when you bet with Betfair

Read the rules. Check my post on your other thread and you will understand why the rule is in place.

There was a NR.

They brought the rule in after a NZ V Aus ODI a few years ago. Someone got wind that one of the batsmen listed wasn't going to be playing (Hayden I think) and began offering what looked like overbroke books.

Someone assumed this was a bot gone wrong and kept backing all selections building up a huge green book. Of course as soon as the teams were annoounced the NR was voided and his all green book turned into a large 5 figure red which was way over his balance.

I think BF covered the losses but quickly changed the rules as it was too susceptible to fraud from colluding punters. The only real alternative is to offer a rule 4 however that is almost impossible to do as the "true" price is virtually impossible to ascertain.

strawberryface, Sorry can you please explain that.  Why did taking out the nr change his book from green to red? Was the bet on hayden still included?

All the bets on Hayden were voided.

I should have said that someone kept laying the book and built up a big green which went very red when Hayden was taken out.

In effect they thought they were laying something like 7/2 each of 5 runners when in fact they ended up layng 7/2 each of 4 runners meaning their green turned to red.

I suspect the incident involved somebody mistakenly laying all selections, not backing them?  So when Hayden was removed they were left with massive liabilities because the overbroke book depended on Hayden being a runner.

piechucker you can back or lay all of the batsmen if you like and if you manage to get the right odds you can  green up i.e. make a profit whatever the outcome

every bookies have different rules, some are ok i find and quite a few companies are following indian rules where sometimes your winning bet becomes void
if a bit of rain comes

id rather bet with high street bookmakers on top bat , they pay you out on top bet batsman even if it rains and there is 9-10 over game! You have a advantage backing 3/1 opening batsman pre match... with some mugs they would void it because it rains

See if you can find a definition of "named reserve" that Bisla fits into.

You should have got your stake returned on any market that was cancelled. Check to ensure it is not included in your liabilities, as it may have been ringfenced.

they have not stollen your money, read the rules, if there is a non runner in their list the whole market is void. Check you account again for the returned funds.

They haven't cheated however if the market was only opened a few minutes before the start then it is a bit poor them not being able to get the right players included. However that is poor service not cheating. If anything BF have done themselves out of money as they earned no commisison on the market. A sloppy mistake that shouldn't have happened but certainly not cheating.

the only fair thing to do was to void all bets.  Well done betfair!.......

I was looking at an almighty £7 quid loss on gg.  Thought it was a gonna. 

I laid gg, fat jack, bullcum, and anyother and kept bisla green as i thought he might come in 3rd like he has done in a few games so far.  He's actually looked quite good in a few previous games so i was hoping for a few wickets and then to use the green to lay.

Was quite lucky there, didnt even realise he wasnt in the 11.   But thought something was up when there was no market loss showing in me statements? 

betfair couldnt do anything but void, cuz if id known he was missing and red then i would have asked them to look into it.

you cant go ignoring the rules that have been on here for years.  Unlucky, if you backed him, good call (witha little luck) and move on and look for another winner.

Had  £20 quid on ifran pathan the day before in game 2 @20/1 voided by paddywankrs cuz some overs were lost.  You just have to move on if its in their rules.