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Someone suggested to me recently that someone like tufnell would get centuries for fun at a local level. He did get sixty odd at fc level, so must have some level of ability. What about kp as a bowler, he did for four top flight england players in 1999 when playing for kwazulu natal, so he mat have something about him. Would Monty be a sh1 t hot fielder at village level? What about at league level? I realise that the whole phrase "league level" is somewhat vague and encapsulates an big range of quality.
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Monty played for Bexhill in the Sussex County League a couple of years ago, didnt score too many. Averaged just under 14 in 5 innings with the bat
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I can't imagine even hitting the ball at first class level, could get a few lucky edges I suppose. Having said that reckon I would have done better than Monty with those two drops at galle, in fact relatively speaking I may have won England the game.
Surely kp,s bowling ability should be nurtured. As someone said on the barmy army site, plenty of part time spin bowlers from Asia became very effective bowlers over time. Perhaps England should put as much effort into nurturing the bowling ability of our batsmen as we do into the batting ability of our bowlers. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall afridi, jayasuriya, tendulkar or dilshan being particularly special bowlers earlier in their career. Michael Clarke once took 6/12 iirc, is it beyond the realms of possibility to hope that kp could do dome thing similar with faith and encouragement? If not in tests, then odis? |
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Shane Bond and Andre Nel both played in the north lancs roughly 12 years ago (about 2 years before Bond was world number 1 bowler). It isnt a bad standard of league and Bond scored more than his fair share of runs - off memory about 800, seen him score 90 odd against us to win a cup game and watched him put 5 sixes in the 1st 5 balls of a over for six against Workington. Nel never got so many, I think if they have a decent eye the pro tailenders would score plenty at league level. Panasar and Tufnell wouldnt though because they are/were both ridiculousy bad with the bat with no shots at all. Put it this way I would fancy a bowl at the pair of them
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maninder singh opened for bhilai steel plant in steel trophy and scored centuries. in the famous chennai test , he couldnt even score a single to win the test
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I remember Andy Afford, former Notts left arm bowler and terrible FC batsman - genuine no.11.. having a few games for Lincolnshire in minor county cricket and he batted in the top 6 and scored quite a few runs!
It is not so much that these guys are naturally better at everything, just that when you practice all day against genuine fast bowlers and quality spinners - anything less must seem very easy... more so today with more attention given to bowlers batting capability and with bowling machines allowing unlimited practice. Saying that, im skeptical Chris Martin could score a century at even the lowest level of cricket. |
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bell would probably be a 1st/2nd change bowler in the lancs league, monty in the middle order
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6 for 9 Rob. You are forever underselling Australians.
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Well spotted deadly, I was getting it confused with harmisons 7/12 around the same time.
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Monty played against us for Bexhill. Didn't take a wicket but scored a fifty.
He had a long bowl but club players tend to pay less respect than the pros. He bowls dozens of half volleys for Sussex and England which are patted back. He had a bit of a shock at our place! When Ajmal was our overseas, he hit about 8 6s in an T20 match. |
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I wonder how Chris Martin with his legs tied together woulg get on facing Matt Prior bowling left handed with his eyes closed
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I wonder what pace bell or trott send it down at, 75mph average. At my level that is very quick, though prob flat bat a ball on a good length, on the presumption they're not swinging or seaming it. I'm guessing they're very accurate by village standards too, and prob by top level club standard.
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What amazes me is that people like Brett lee, at his prime, would bowl 90 plus mph, and short and even just decent players like Strauss would hook him for fours and sixes. Yet when they play a 75mph trundler they don't exactly fill their boots, might milk five an over on a good day. To hook a ball at ninety mph is just unfeasible to me, it is not as if you know it is going to be short.
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a lot of pros train themselves to know when the ball is going to be short
its all to do when the bowler releases the ball which is obviously later for a bouncer not that much dfference between the reactions of a international cricketer and league player. just practice and skill |
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Didnt Mohammed Amir smash a load up the order for that surrey league team when he was pretending to be someone else? then rip thru the side bowling
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Village cricket Bell would likely take 8 for and Monty would get an unbeaten century. I know of an ex Somerset 2nd XL cricketer who only played a few first class matches with an average in the twenties and he could literally do what he wanted with the bowling in village cricket where the opening bowlers were bowling around 60mph...Swann speed
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