Florence Griffith-Joyner records.

Maybe if she hadnt broken those records shed still be alive.

Agreed an awesome athlete, hate to say it but would blow ennis out of the water if they were competing against eachother today (when she was at her peak)

I didn't realise she had a music career

I think there is no doubt about the circumstances of the records of Flo Jo, she was an average athlete for many years before suddenly improving to those times. Far more iimpressive is the long jump world record of Mike Powell, it seems it will for another 15 years.

Remarkable, not like a load of others haven't been on the juice to and she smashes them

seen the graphs of her times from start of career to Olympic glory?

one long flat horizontal line for about 12 years then takes more than a second off PB in 8 months

was it worth it?

Depends if it actually contributed to her death, steroids aren't as dangerous as people think

depends what cocktails she was taking

Griffith-Joyner dropped her 100m time by half-a-second in about 8 months after bulking up enormously.  As soon as out-of-competition drugs testing arrived, she retired.  She died at the age of 38 and her records are extremely suspect in most experts' opinion.

Same can be said for East Germany's Marita Koch who was without doubt heavily involved in the former Communist state's doping program.  Her 400m mark of 47.60 from 27 years ago still stands and isn't being remotely challenged.

Perhaps, assume they'd be running a proper pct

Every womans record from 100 to 1500 and the 100 hurdles go back to the 80s.
Got to be a bit dodgy.

Who would of thought that Flo Jo´s world record would still be here 15 years after her death.

Her chemist?

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Agreed an awesome athlete, hate to say it but would blow ennis out of the water if they were competing against eachother today (when she was at her peak)


Thats Jackie Joyner Barney

my bad, i did mean jackie tho

'Got to be a bit dodgy.'

Everyone is dodgy, just look what has come to light in recent years.  I used to think there was the odd taker but im sure there are loads on it.  In the recent BBC doc about the 1988 100m the guy who had the samples said he went back and tested the frozen samples and contemplated bringing it to light but it was clear from his reaction that there were some many postivies

I am convinced there is massive doping going on with some very clever people in control

there is a discussion going on about 'micro-dosing' where tiny quantities are taken that allow more intense training and faster recovery to take place without triggering the test results and the use of really clever masking agents

so like DoNo says, I think there is a lot going on

Flo jo's record is also questioned because the wind. The comms at the time instantly remarked that it was wind-assisted, but were shocked when they found out it was down as +0.0.

'Got to be a bit dodgy.'

It was a polite way of saying they were all at it

And of course it wasnt always their sample. Seem to remember allegations of hiding bags of clean samples up their chuffs
and popping them into the sample jars.

yup baby urine samples commonly

Exactly judorick, I think Johnson only got caught because he had his injury and had to overload so couldn't time it right. I'll post up an article tomorrow about it, I find it hard to blame the takers outright because they know that the people around them are on it and in athletics if you arn't top 8 you're next to nothing

got to feel a bit sorry for Ben Johnson given that pretty much everybody else had positive tests too (including Carl Lewis), the rumours are that Calvin Smith was the only athelete from that final never to have failed a test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkpTsAmv8XQ

Incredible to watch she does get a crazy good start tbf

Never tested +ve / innocent till proven guilty and all that

Seriously though she looked more "human" than one or two from today's 100m final

You only have to look at some of these eatern european athletes to see they were pumped full of god knows what, Jarmila Kratochvílová , Heidi Kreiger et al , they look more like geezers

kratochvilova was basically a man

i've seen prettier male bouncers down my local dive than her

AARRRRGGGGHH shut up about her,Ive only just stopped having nightmares about her last year,after years of counselling.

lol at the comm on griffiths 100m - "that cannot be, no-one can run that fast"

says it all

kratochvilova and koch took drugs to a different level. Those records will still stand in 20 years

tbf at least Koch and Kratochvila probably were level stakes with opposition, Caster Semenya isn't!

Who really thinks Heike Drechsler was clean in her GDR years? But she was a shining star after German reunification, it was so hypocritical.... Even Krabbe and Breuer were big stars before getting caught, Breuer in her late career again.

Was interesting last night watching the Women's discuss to see how mush further down the field the world record line was from where today's girls are throwing - another record from the late 80s DDR.