Olympics 2012
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01 Aug 12
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Wiggins has improved a minute in a year, at the end looked like he was just back from a walk. Other lads like the great Tony Martin in bits on the ground. Just seems odd to me how he has improved so much any help?
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Ask Clare Balding
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he won 2 gold medals four years ago, so gone back imo
he got rid of all of his body fat, yikes ! |
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Just seems odd, if his was a Chinese swimmer loads would be asking questions about it.
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clearly juiced
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secret engine on his bike imo
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been quoted as saying he'd rather stack shelves in the local supermarket than win doping.
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Martin was riding with a broken hand. His preparation and form weren't as good as last year prior to the World champs. Conversely Wiggins was in much better form for this race compared to the worlds which came after he broke his collarbone in the 2011 Tour. Crap thread imo.
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He looks thinner than ever before. Probably something to do with it.
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winning tour de france might be a clue
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High altitude training and the areodynamic benefits of dropping weight are the most likely factors as they proved in TDF. Remember that Wiggins has been winning medals now at four different olympics. If he was at it then the law of averages would suggest they would get him. They got Linford Christie twice.
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Oval chain rings, warm downs, team spirit and hiring a swimming coach
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I.e Hard work. Sad that in this day, everyone always questions how someone wins.
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A good haul Rocket.
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Yeah I mean how dare anyone question a guy suddenly dominating a sport at the age of 32
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He lost the weight 2 years ago and improved markedly because of that - should have won the TdF last year but crashed and broke his collarbone.
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ffs he's won gold medals at 3 consecutive olympics games and even got a bronze in sydney when he was just 20. he's hardly new on the scene
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Genius so weight loss with no loss in power.
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one of his coaches from when he was 15 was on earlier and he said
1. you could tell he had the physiological quality, the bike riding talent and the determination 2. Wiggins set his goals to be become a champion and pro bike rider at that time and set out to achieve it been a long term plan |
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MASSIVE difference between winning a relatively minor even like individual pursuit and winning a Tour at the age of 32
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one of his coaches from when he was 15 was on earlier and he said
1. you could tell he had the physiological quality, the bike riding talent and the determination 2. Wiggins set his goals to be become a champion and pro bike rider at that time and set out to achieve it been a long term plan Amazing the physiological ability to Win a Tour only appeared at 32 |
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no it didn't
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when did it appear?
When he was at Linda McCartney team? , Cofidis maybe?, Francaise de Jeux maybe? Nope at the age of nigh on 30 at Garmin and even more so at Sky |
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Read the Bjarne Riis biography for weight loss tips.
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So what are you suggesting? That he is on drugs? Well if you look at power outputs there has never been anything suspicious or unusual about any of his performances. He has been one of the top time triallists in the world for a very long time. Modifications in his goals, and the increasing professionalism of his preparation, especially since the formation of Team Sky has turned potential into success.
If fit Martin and Cancellara would have been much closer to him today, although in the last twelve months I think Wiggo has possibly gone ahead of even of those two legends in time trialling, primarily because of the work Wiggo has done working at lower cadence to boost power, and the oval sprocket. Wiggins improvement has been completely linear and 'normal', moreover he has always had the talent, hence the fact he is Britain's all time top medal winner at the Olympics. Anyone who has known about Wiggins for a whole will remember his reaction to his old Cofidis team being thrown out of the tour for drugs offences, when he threw all his team kit in the bin and went home swearing never to ride for the team again. Without wishing to sound naive, Wiggins would never dope. |
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Lance Armstrong lost a lot of weight.
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Great answer Marychain. And I'm sure David Millar would know if Wiggo or any of his teammates were doping and do something about it.
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However he has had old samples test positive for things that couldn't be tested for at the time, had virtually his whole team and entourage come out as say they saw he was doping AND had sports scientists say that some of his performances were about 10% beyond human capacity.
Armstrong that is. |
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Oval Sprocket, Low Cadence (Armstrongs argument was his strength at high cad), etc etc..... Its all opinions and everyone has one.
I disagree MaryChain, You cannot reasonably say his improvement has been Linear, he was always a great track rider. He was a average flat rider who rode well (not near the best) in time trials until the age of 30+. I remember his reaction to Cofidis......Means NOTHING. We've all heard the words of many athletes proven liers later. Thats not to say Wiggins has done wrong. No proof he has ever lied, but I find questioning of him reasonable given the sports history. He can expect it. |
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Even if Armstrong was fully clean, and despite all the negative tests I'll always doubt, I'm unsure his Tour career was all its made out to be, when his domestiques and key team players weren't clean.
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And I'm sure David Millar would know if Wiggo or any of his teammates were doping and do something about it.
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Diamond Joe u clown, Wiggins gets tested every 5 bloody minutes for every drug under the sun and his blood is monitored for any sign of red blood cell level above normal. WTF do you think he's on?? Roger Ramjet power pills??! You are either a very boring fisherman or deeply idiotic. p.s. Cadel Evans won the tour for the first time last year aged 34 - i suppose he was on drugs as well?!
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He was winning prologues at the highest level from almost as soon as he started to focus on the road, circa 2007. In his first tour he was 4th in the TT, just behind a doped up Armstrong. Post Beijing he has been improved steadily each year, nothing remarkable or dramatic, just making tiny adjustments all the time. You only have to look at his TTing to see he combines power and style better than any rider out there.
This isn't some Indurain figure who blows everyone else away with sheer engine, to me that would be troubling, it's as much to do with the fact that he is the most efficient rider. |
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Diamond Joe u clown, Wiggins gets tested every 5 bloody minutes for every drug under the sun and his blood is monitored for any sign of red blood cell level above normal. WTF do you think he's on?? Roger Ramjet power pills??! You are either a very boring fisherman or deeply idiotic. p.s. Cadel Evans won the tour for the first time last year aged 34 - i suppose he was on drugs as well?! A boring response Denis. You can't argue the point except with insults. You exaggerate the amount of tests he under goes and expect to some how debate on that point. A certain Lance used to moan about how many tests he under went.....he passed them all. Seems to be falling around his ears now mind. p.s. Cadel Evans won the tour for the first time last year aged 34 - i suppose he was on drugs as well?! This is the point that makes me think you must be fishing......Ex Tony Rominger protege who according to Wiki was advised by none other than Michele Ferrari to take up the road.........lets just say there isnt much to debate on this remark Its like Ireland 16 years ago with Michelle Smith......So blinded by hero worship they couldnt see what was staring them straight in the face. Questions should be asked of him. Marychain, IMHO there has been no steady improvement. He went from decent (Not great ) TTer to dominating the Tour with Froome. Sorry but imho that improvement doesnt just magically appear at age 30. His major step came with Garmin, a team full of ex Posties (Vaughters, Vandevelde, Zabriskie etc...) Vandevelde was one who improved in the mountains out of all recognition. Never finishing higher than 24th in ANY Tour, He rides to finish 4th. He may be clean, but he is NOT beyond questioning |
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This isn't some Indurain figure who blows everyone else away with sheer engine, to me that would be troubling, it's as much to do with the fact that he is the most efficient rider.
Indurain was hugely efficient as was Armstrong and Ullrich in TTs. I actually thought Dave Millar had the most incredibly smooth style. It proves little imho |
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I guess we get these kind of threads everytime someone wins easily or improves a lot, for a while :/
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Yes, Forest we will
I follow cycling closely. Sky and Team GB have raised the bar in all round preparation. That started with the track, peaking in Beijing, and has now been carried through to the road. Here's some examples. In Europe many cycling teams would step down their training considerably over the close season (November to February) Sky/Team GB have maintained that physical and mental preparation throughout the year, even to the point of leaving their families for 6 week periods and using Tenerife, high altitudes, plenty of climbs, as a base training camp. They've brought in the best trainers/sports scientists/coaches/facilities (Manchester Velodrome and now the Olympic one). This has been expensive but that's the benefit of serious funding - lottery monies and the backing of Europe's biggest broadcaster. We are now at a serious level of financial backing for the best part of 10 years. A good example would be to compare with horse race training. Martin Pipe 20 years ago changed forever the way horses were trained. His success raised the bar there, now many others follow his methods, water usage, weighing horses. In a nutshell, Sky/Team GB have some way caught the continentals napping and being in a continued flux over the doping issues, which still seem to linger ominously. To compete, the other teams/countries will have to start thinking more professionally. They will, but they need then to fund it. Let us see now how the track team perform over the next few days. In the World Championships earlier this year, in Melbourne, the Aussies were able to match GB in most areas. The Germans as well are strong. These and other countries have improved since Beijing. |
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anyone see the itv doc on him.... hats off to team sky and obviously bradley himself.
sutton is the exact kind of character needed, imo, to get the best out of him i think wiggins is a great character, great competitor and very talented the liam gallagher fist pump he did when collecting his teddy and flowers after winning a stage of the tdf always makes me laugh... his interview about drugs at the start of the tour... nice to see a clean, successful rider |
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Diamond - watch the itv doc on wiggins.
think you'll change your mind talented but more of a rock star talent... bit like some modern footballers... potential but lazy was guided by good management and stepped up training... they said before team sky bradley wouldnt really train |