pooooor liquidity

Too much on. Unless live on BBC best working with the books.

The problem is the second you try to add some liquidity you get run over by bots. Two events I spent some tinme on which both have almost zero liqidity, I put some prices up to a fair % and the bots top me on every selection immediately.

Well played Betfair. You encouraged them - I hope it is all that is left trading in a year.

Those of us who bet in running occasionally are well aware of the problems with fast pic guys , bots , and "supposedly" live pictures .  During the Open golf a week or so ago you would have assumed that the BBC were showing us things as they happened , in real time .  Wrong . Red buttonites ( with built in delays inherent ) were ahead of the terrestrial pictures quite often ( I had 2 feeds , one cable , one terrestrial ) .

So anyone who bets in running making live assumptions is taking their betting life in their own hands . Liquidity is not going to be good anywhere except on a very few select events , mainly the athletics . Also the nature of Olympics is completely different to selected "invitation " events where 2 or 3 get appearance money and the rest are just making up the numbers .

Be VERY selective is the only advice I would give to anyone betting in running . And as another general comment , the premium charge militates largely against shrewd layers , lots have gone away , and there are always going to be more punters than layers .

I gave up trying to make markets also, cant be wasting my time against bots

the 'live' pictures of the swimming must be about 20-25 seconds behind what is actually happening, last night in what appeared to be quite a tight finish on tv, a swimmer went to 1.01 when there was still half a length left

A swimmer also went 1.01 the evening before with over 2 lengths remaining and lost.  The pictures are 'live' (within 5 seconds), there's just silly money buyers out there

Even the tennis markets - and televised matches at that - have liquidity worse than awful.

Been disappointing