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15 Jun 20
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Big changes.
Lets hope this puts a stop to the protests from all sides.
Lets hope this puts a stop to the protests from all sides.
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https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1272616344010309633
Democracy over? |
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(1) During the emergency period, unless paragraph (2) applies, no person may participate in a gathering which takes place in a public or private place—
(a)outdoors, and consists of more than six persons, or (b)indoors, and consists of two or more persons. It is now in law. |
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/558/regulation/2/made
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Give the protestors a contract they will then be able to protest under para 2
you reference above .. the person concerned is fulfilling a legal obligation or participating in legal proceedings |
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Legal proceeding is an activity that seeks to invoke the power of a tribunal in order to enforce a law.
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Two weeks late but finally here to get violent thugs who attack police, pull down statues and deface our heros off the streets.
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I know what legal proceedings are the important part is the "or" in
front of legal proceeding. |
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Thin end of the wedge I have always been sceptical about this from the start.
What does it say we have to go to bed? |
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It says it is now actually illegal to have an outdoor gathering of over 6 people.
Unprecedented in our history and slightly concerning on our freedoms. Not sure how this ends. |
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'the person concerned is fulfilling a legal obligation or participating in legal proceedings;'
I do not think this will be a get out for turning up in large groups and ripping down statues and fighting the police. |
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If a large group have a legal obligation they would appear to have right to congregate under the law.
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Give the protestors a contract they will then be able to protest under para 2
you reference above .. the person concerned is fulfilling a legal obligation or participating in legal proceedings A bit like saying I can carry a blade with me if one of my mates gives me a contract saying I need one for work purposes. |
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Well it's not the same as knives are covered by a different law and that will state what
Exemptions exist. If you require one for work you may well get an exemption to carry one off a person who may be named under relevant act. Fear not I am not intending to arm a squad of demonstrators with Contracts to be on a march. Had the argument last week that the marches were legal, and clearly this new law proves They were legal under the law, as it existed, and this is another attempt to close a law they missed last time. |
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It is the same.
Both the legislation on offensive weapons and the one here have a defence of reasonable excuse. They both include cirumstances which would be considered as reasonable excuse. Both include the circumstance where you are required to for work. Only an idiot would suggest that if someone gives a contract to me to be a joiner at 1am it would be a defence if I was carrying a knife in the pub or if they gave me a contract to "work" around Parliament square at 1am it would be a defence and considered a reasonable excuse. You seem to think though that giving someone a contract to protest would be reasonable excuse. Reasonable excuse comes down to circumstance and context. It's not a defence just to say I've contrived a situation that I think is a defence under the legislation. I don't think this does show that they were legal last week. This has simply clarified the law. Being threatening and abusive to someone has always been illegal. It doesn't follow that when hate crime legislation was introduced to expand the law and to create aggravations that it was previously legal to racially abuse someone. |
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Snuck through the back door again
Basically you may not protest the state, the end of any free speech And all done for a virus that has existed for centuries, ie the flu bug  |
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has always been illegal
I'll clarify that to mean in recent times in the the UK before someone says it wasn't 2000 years ago in Angola. |
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Yeah, like an eye test on your wife's birthday with kiddy in the back.
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Misbehaving on a protest is always misbehaving even if the
protest is legal. The right to peaceful protest last weekend existed, I do not think it exists next weekend. |
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So the next time thousands of people protest technically it wont be legal. Like anyone will give a toss. This is something people on forums can discuss but nobody else is going to lose any sleep over.
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they could have had their 1st test case today outside the Nike shop in Oxford Street
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I am sure it will be tested, fairly soon.
I doubt anybody on the forum will lose any sleep either. |
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a Primark sale may be most interesting
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Yeah, like an eye test on your wife's birthday with kiddy in the back.
What does this mean (if it is directed at me)? Misbehaving on a protest is always misbehaving even if the protest is legal. The right to peaceful protest last weekend existed, I do not think it exists next weekend. The right to peaceful protest existed last weekend but gatherings were not as per this weekend. That has been the case since 26th March. |
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Not sure some on this forum do sleep. I think some are here 24 hours a day.
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The cummings defence, a contrived defence, example thereof.
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Again I'm not even sure if this is aimed at me. The cummings defence, a contrived defence, example thereof.
I agree with you. I think it was contrived. Does this mean you are talking **** just becuase you have presumed anyone who disagrees with you must think Cummings had a valid defence? |
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Eh no!
I made a point, you went off at a tangent, self dismissed your own argument and in so doing assumed you had proven something of merit. You havnt. |
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donny what do you make of these 100% proven lockdown rule breakers?
Are they more or less guilty than Cummings iyo? All broke lockdown rules with NO DOUBTS they should all get the bullet https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11608940/labour-mp-breaks-lockdown-rules-chips-picnic/ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/29/stephen-kinnock-targeted-by-police-for-visiting-father-neil https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8183617/Up-100-mourners-including-Labour-MP-ignore-coronavirus-lockdown.html https://order-order.com/2020/05/19/mps-coronavirus-centenary-celebration/ |
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eah, like an eye test on your wife's birthday with kiddy in the back.
Maybe you can elaborate on your point then. You seem to have been making posts about Dominic Cummings in your last few posts on this thread whilst not actually using them to reply to anyone or providing any context on how that relates to the thread topic. Then ignoring anything a person says relevant to the thread topic. Conflating arguements usually means you have nothing pertinent to say. |
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Who is this Cummings denzil, you claimed not to know him?
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You are conflating arguments shrewd dude
And inventing arguments to argue against Makes it difficult when that happens No wonder you are confused |
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I even had to explain to you what the word "and" means when
You were abusive to me. |
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You are conflating arguments shrewd dude
And inventing arguments to argue against Sorry, but you are so full of ****. You can't even answer why when we were talking about legislation you brought up Dominic Cummings. Even when I agreed with you, you can't even answer why you brought it up and who this was in response to. You clearly stereotype everyone that disagress with you, throw **** at them and hope they agree with your stereotype so that you can validate your opinion, then when it turns out they are actually in agreement with some of your view points stop replying to anything relevant to the topic being discussed. . |
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Lol
Shrewd dude You invented an argument to self dismiss. Not sure what you are going on about after that. Maybe read the thread slowly. |
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I ain't deflecting denzil
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You're the one that can't actually respond to anything anybody says.
Anyway my mates just hired me to stand in Parliament square as a bodyguard for Winston Churchill's statue. He says I must carry knife so that's my "reasonable excuse" if the police turn up. |