If the other officers involved in the arrest of Mr Floyd...

There is a difference between arresting a suspect and watching a fellow
officer hold a suspect down for 8 minutes with a knee on his neck.

If police can't see difference they are in wrong job.

there seems to be a union problem within American Police investigations & convictions. A lot of officers get original wrist slaps turned over, which of course demans the brass above. When the twot who did this killing was charged, it was perceived to be a rapid decision, for a cop that is

lets be honest ,almost impossible for any of them to get a fair trial after all thats gone on.

Let's see if any of these others say, in a plea bargaining exercise, that the office who did the kneeling actually said he intended to kill Floyd. Then the second degree murder charge (second degree murder has to have some from of intention) would stick much easier.  And that is exactly what the US authorities now want to do so that they can satisfy the outrage from the public.

Nothing would surprise me about the US justice system. I have no sympathy at all for what these officers did but if mob rule sees the charges hiked up the murder scale we are in a sorry state.

I don't care about the police officers but we cannot have mob rule and hysteria dictating the punishment for some crimes and not for the majority of others.

I agree largely with what The Knight says ,but cannot believe they all or the one police officer went there with the intent of killing the guy ,in an attempt to restrain him the one cop used an unwise method of kneeling on the guys neck ,and will rightly pay the consequences for that ,but to prove intent even with him and certainly with the other 3 would be very difficult normally ,but this is so high profile now that normal courtroom procedures may not apply here.

darren_discombobulates_sports04 Jun 20 09:51Joined: 17 Jun 11 | Topic/replies: 3,041 | Blogger: darren_discombobulates_sports's blog
strange opening post, the policeman was not restraining the suspect, he was trying to choke him, you don't restrain someone by reducing their oxygen intake, that's what happens when you apply force to the neck, that's attempted murder, in this case, murder.

Sorry if it sounded strange darren, when i 1st read the original thread of his death on here, someone stated that under the guidance or rules of restraint of this states police force, a police officer was allowed to place his knee on a suspects neck to help to restrain him as long as it didn't obstruct his airway. (Whether this is true or not i don't know myself), all i am saying is whatever you think of that officers actions the other police officers were nowhere near his neck as far as i could see, really don't see how they could be charged with murder if, as they would say they were just restraining him.

My point was more concerned with how could the police in future restrain someone resisting arrest if they could potentially be prosecuted for manslaughter or similar very serious charges.

From what i have seen when 1st handcuffed he sat quite calmly against a wall and only started to resist being put in the police car when next to it, a lot of people try to resist being arrested.

As a policeman you would have to trust your colleagues. Shirley you cant be expected to police your fellow police whilst policing... I would imagine.

Just cant really see murder.. why murder? unless it turns out he's an undercover psychopath.

Emtitdeb

"Just cant really see murder.. why murder?"

Do you think you can't see it because you need glasses?

Or Do you think you can't see it because of a mental incapacity thing? ( Don't be ashamed if it is, Prince Harry is campaigning to help and raise awareness, much like the #BLM movement )

Stewart,

In UK and, under the law known as "The Law Of Joint Enterprise" all 4 would be tried for murder.

There was a case about 2 or 3 years ago where even the getaway driver who didn't get out of the car was tried and convicted of the same charge as the actual murderer.

It's also often used to convict both parents in cases of child neglect/infanticide.

There is no requirement to show that the 'accomplices' new that murder might happen, just either there was group intent on criminal enterprise, or they stood by and did nothing.

Stewart "From the videos i've seen they were restraining him lower down his body"

WOW!

I'd love to see those videos you've seen, The Damn BBC and MSM have been misleading us again.


They've been showing A cop kneeling on a mans neck for 9 minutes who is handcuffed and face down.

I think this is legally difficult. If the officers were aware that Floyd was in danger of losing his life then they are culpable and should be charged appropriately, probably second degree murder. If they heard Floyd say he couldn't breath then I think that would be sufficient evidence. If they say they didn't hear him then I'm not sure what happens.

what business is it of the uk what goes on in the u.s? many worse things happen in almost every other country worldwide but we must protest only when something commonplace in others happens in one or two only. in large parts of the world arbitrary arrest and killing happens all the time, with no video or protest marches. we dont care about these, otherwise we'd be on permanent vigil.

there are a terrifying number of murders in u.s. cities every week(look at the murder rates in chicago or baltimore) and plod has to deal with these homicidal out of control people as as a matter of routine. and with u.s. law being so harsh when it comes to repeat offending, many resist arrest to avoid incarceration, sometimes with tragic result
 
u.s. plod have a horrible job trying to police an orgy of violence. it must be demoralising and and understandably, it takes a toll, the result of which is what we see now. 
this murderous anarchy has been going on for some time, and has led to the phenomenon of 'black flight', but nobody talks about it. many cities are war zones, but these black lives dont seem to matter. 
black lives dont matter when they are killed by black people, but when the white man can be blamed, here we go. again. some of you will be saying thats a specious argument, as this is a matter of racist law enforcement, not civil strife, but when you look at law enforcement in black majority countries you discover that the rate of death in custody is miles ahead  that of the u.s. eg, the number of people killed by the jamaican police service(similar all over the windies)  over the last decade is 1400, from a population of under 3 million. a mind-boggling number that you could probably multiply many times over if any african state kept proper records. 

racism has to be the reason for the status of black people in western societies, because if it is not then we will have to draw some uncomfortable conclusions. and nobody is willing to do that
a fact ignored is that the safest place to be a black male is far safer wherever there are large numbers of white people. those in denial will deride or deplore this hypothesis, but what they will not do is say it aint true. the truth, it seems, is racist 

There was a fella on TV this morning, didn't quite catch his name but something like Rat Boy or similar, He said that anyone who holds a banner saying "All lives Matter", is part of the problem, quite odd i thought, then i saw a banner which read "Black Trans Lives Matter", is that Ok or are they part of the problem as well.

I do accept your apology Escapee, just appeared you were jumping on everything i posted.
I post to relief the boredom and look upon the betfair forum as a trip down the pub for a chat, don't wish to get too involved in any heated arguments but enjoy a bit of debate whilst respecting other peoples views.
I'm off now, goodnight.

charles; I could spend a long time arguing against your post grappler but I wont.'

why not?

sorry charles but im not commenting on the events overseas, just questioning why a foreign country is marching about it. havent seen any marching about the brutality meted out to innocents in china, or russia, or many other places.

if you have stats that contradict what i said, please produce them, rather than just saying i am wrong. thats too easy.

and as for not spending any time arguing against it, that really is a cop-out. you skip the bits you dont like, and make a feeble non-response to the rest of it. not very convincing. another in denial.

They could finish this edition with a good Lynching...


I think I suggested that already

i see wd is suggesting summary justice. mm. you might want to think about that. if you can.

c'mon grapplar

I have just had a kebab. i'm in a good mood. Not completely serious but if they did that to a dog I would not be unhappy if they got strung up.

The weird thing is I was quite sober when I bought it!