If the other officers involved in the arrest of Mr Floyd...

There is a difference between arresting a suspect and watching a fellow
officer hold a suspect down for 8 minutes with a knee on his neck.

If police can't see difference they are in wrong job.

*hold a suspect down for 8 minutes with a knee on his neck, with hands in pockets to look nonchalant. The other officers should be charged for not stopping him, but there are people above who kept putting this man back on the job after many transgressions. They should be removed really.

there seems to be a union problem within American Police investigations & convictions. A lot of officers get original wrist slaps turned over, which of course demans the brass above. When the twot who did this killing was charged, it was perceived to be a rapid decision, for a cop that is

17 previous complaints suggests he was a loose canon,could be the other cops were afraid to interfere.
if the other 3 are charged could they get a fair trial?

lets be honest ,almost impossible for any of them to get a fair trial after all thats gone on.

Final stage of VP's plan for his man's first term. He's already burned all the most important relationships America has with the civilised world, now America itself burns.

There has been talk in Intelligence circles for a while that Russia would attempt to foment a race war in America, and here we are.

Jun 3, 2020 -- 1:46PM, Baphornet wrote:

there seems to be a union problem within American Police investigations & convictions. A lot of officers get original wrist slaps turned over, which of course demans the brass above. When the twot who did this killing was charged, it was perceived to be a rapid decision, for a cop that is

there ain't a union the American right doesn't want to smash..except the police ones

strange opening post, the policeman was not restraining the suspect, he was trying to choke him, you don't restrain someone by reducing their oxygen intake, that's what happens when you apply force to the neck, that's attempted murder, in this case, murder.

Let's see if any of these others say, in a plea bargaining exercise, that the office who did the kneeling actually said he intended to kill Floyd. Then the second degree murder charge (second degree murder has to have some from of intention) would stick much easier.  And that is exactly what the US authorities now want to do so that they can satisfy the outrage from the public.

Nothing would surprise me about the US justice system. I have no sympathy at all for what these officers did but if mob rule sees the charges hiked up the murder scale we are in a sorry state.

I don't care about the police officers but we cannot have mob rule and hysteria dictating the punishment for some crimes and not for the majority of others.

Jun 4, 2020 -- 1:24AM, jed.davison wrote:

Final stage of VP's plan for his man's first term. He's already burned all the most important relationships America has with the civilised world, now America itself burns.There has been talk in Intelligence circles for a while that Russia would attempt to foment a race war in America, and here we are.

not everything is about Russia

There's supposed to be this Russian saying though. "Everything they told us about the USSR was false, but everything they told us about the USA was true"

I agree largely with what The Knight says ,but cannot believe they all or the one police officer went there with the intent of killing the guy ,in an attempt to restrain him the one cop used an unwise method of kneeling on the guys neck ,and will rightly pay the consequences for that ,but to prove intent even with him and certainly with the other 3 would be very difficult normally ,but this is so high profile now that normal courtroom procedures may not apply here.

Basically no chance of getting a jury that as not heard of or seen the footage of this case they can't even move the venue somewhere else

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strange opening post, the policeman was not restraining the suspect, he was trying to choke him, you don't restrain someone by reducing their oxygen intake, that's what happens when you apply force to the neck, that's attempted murder, in this case, murder.

Sorry if it sounded strange darren, when i 1st read the original thread of his death on here, someone stated that under the guidance or rules of restraint of this states police force, a police officer was allowed to place his knee on a suspects neck to help to restrain him as long as it didn't obstruct his airway. (Whether this is true or not i don't know myself), all i am saying is whatever you think of that officers actions the other police officers were nowhere near his neck as far as i could see, really don't see how they could be charged with murder if, as they would say they were just restraining him.

My point was more concerned with how could the police in future restrain someone resisting arrest if they could potentially be prosecuted for manslaughter or similar very serious charges.

From what i have seen when 1st handcuffed he sat quite calmly against a wall and only started to resist being put in the police car when next to it, a lot of people try to resist being arrested.

Stewart

If 4 burglars break into someones house, 1 burglar Kills the Home owner whilst the other 3 stood and watched

What charges do you think should be bought against the murderer and what charges do you think should be bought against the 3
burglars who were in the same room but did not pull the trigger?

Hope the question is not to difficult for you to express your opinion

As a policeman you would have to trust your colleagues. Shirley you cant be expected to police your fellow police whilst policing... I would imagine.

Just cant really see murder.. why murder? unless it turns out he's an undercover psychopath.

i would like to see further charges of utter stupidity being added to the sheet; or is that a prerequisite to becoming a Yank plod?

Emtitdeb

"Just cant really see murder.. why murder?"

Do you think you can't see it because you need glasses?

Or Do you think you can't see it because of a mental incapacity thing? ( Don't be ashamed if it is, Prince Harry is campaigning to help and raise awareness, much like the #BLM movement )

Escapee, don't know why you would think it's to difficult a question for me to offer an opinion.

I'm pretty sure that the person who pulls the trigger is the only one who would get charged with murder, the others might get charged with aiding and abetting a murderer, but i think you'd have to prove they knew the shooter was going to shoot the homeowner. Think that would be difficult to prove. From the videos i've seen they were restraining him lower down his body, why it took so long to try to stand him up is difficult to understand. As emitdeb stated if you've been policing for years you wouldn't expect one of your team to deliberately kill someone who was already under control, and i'm not excusing it either.

Stewart,

In UK and, under the law known as "The Law Of Joint Enterprise" all 4 would be tried for murder.

There was a case about 2 or 3 years ago where even the getaway driver who didn't get out of the car was tried and convicted of the same charge as the actual murderer.

It's also often used to convict both parents in cases of child neglect/infanticide.

There is no requirement to show that the 'accomplices' new that murder might happen, just either there was group intent on criminal enterprise, or they stood by and did nothing.

Ok, fair enough wasn't sure, but would they receive the same sentences as the actual shooter? That's in the UK but does that apply in the USA?
The one officer didn't appear to even be involved in the restraint, what was he supposed to do, draw his weapon on his fellow officers and order them to get off him, i don't pretend to know the answer to this but if convicted could be a very slippery slope for police officers.

Stewart "From the videos i've seen they were restraining him lower down his body"

WOW!

I'd love to see those videos you've seen, The Damn BBC and MSM have been misleading us again.


They've been showing A cop kneeling on a mans neck for 9 minutes who is handcuffed and face down.

This is a quote i put up earlier on this thread, and i'm quite plainly referring to the other officers!

all i am saying is whatever you think of that officers actions the other police officers were nowhere near his neck as far as i could see,

There is no need for your cynicism but appears you are looking for an argument. I have not seen any film of the other officers kneeling on his neck perhaps you could post a link that shows this?

I think this is legally difficult. If the officers were aware that Floyd was in danger of losing his life then they are culpable and should be charged appropriately, probably second degree murder. If they heard Floyd say he couldn't breath then I think that would be sufficient evidence. If they say they didn't hear him then I'm not sure what happens.

Escapee

Emtitdeb

"Just cant really see murder.. why murder?"

Do you think you can't see it because you need glasses?

Or Do you think you can't see it because of a mental incapacity thing? ( Don't be ashamed if it is, Prince Harry is campaigning to help and raise awareness, much like the #BLM movement )

tbh, I was under the impression that murder = Having a plan to kill someone and then killing him.. Just doubt he had killing on his mind.. imo.

He certainly killed poor George. Should be charged with manslaughter and let the jury decide.

what business is it of the uk what goes on in the u.s? many worse things happen in almost every other country worldwide but we must protest only when something commonplace in others happens in one or two only. in large parts of the world arbitrary arrest and killing happens all the time, with no video or protest marches. we dont care about these, otherwise we'd be on permanent vigil.

there are a terrifying number of murders in u.s. cities every week(look at the murder rates in chicago or baltimore) and plod has to deal with these homicidal out of control people as as a matter of routine. and with u.s. law being so harsh when it comes to repeat offending, many resist arrest to avoid incarceration, sometimes with tragic result
 
u.s. plod have a horrible job trying to police an orgy of violence. it must be demoralising and and understandably, it takes a toll, the result of which is what we see now. 
this murderous anarchy has been going on for some time, and has led to the phenomenon of 'black flight', but nobody talks about it. many cities are war zones, but these black lives dont seem to matter. 
black lives dont matter when they are killed by black people, but when the white man can be blamed, here we go. again. some of you will be saying thats a specious argument, as this is a matter of racist law enforcement, not civil strife, but when you look at law enforcement in black majority countries you discover that the rate of death in custody is miles ahead  that of the u.s. eg, the number of people killed by the jamaican police service(similar all over the windies)  over the last decade is 1400, from a population of under 3 million. a mind-boggling number that you could probably multiply many times over if any african state kept proper records. 

racism has to be the reason for the status of black people in western societies, because if it is not then we will have to draw some uncomfortable conclusions. and nobody is willing to do that
a fact ignored is that the safest place to be a black male is far safer wherever there are large numbers of white people. those in denial will deride or deplore this hypothesis, but what they will not do is say it aint true. the truth, it seems, is racist 

I could spend a long time arguing against your post grappler but I wont. I'll start at the top, skip the middle and end at the bottom.

Are you from the UK? If so according to you you shouldn't comment.

a fact ignored is that the safest place to be a black male is far safer wherever there are large numbers of white people. those in denial will deride or deplore this hypothesis, but what they will not do is say it aint true. the truth, it seems, is racist
This is just totally wrong if you look at the stats.

There was a fella on TV this morning, didn't quite catch his name but something like Rat Boy or similar, He said that anyone who holds a banner saying "All lives Matter", is part of the problem, quite odd i thought, then i saw a banner which read "Black Trans Lives Matter", is that Ok or are they part of the problem as well.

Stewart "From the videos i've seen they were restraining him lower down his body"

Sorry, my bad misunderstanding, I hadn't realised that your comment was referring to the other officers, I thought you
were referring to Floydd only being restrained by the lower body.

I hope you accept my apology and understand my misunderstanding of your comment.


As for looking for an argument, no, this is a misunderstanding on your part (you see how common misunderstandings can be)


You post stuff on an internet forum and you do it because either:

1) you are a psychopath and just want people to say how great you are without thinking objectively about what you post.
OR
2) you are wanting to start or contribute to a discussion, where others might analyse it differently and or ask questions about the views expressed

I always assume the original poster is in the 2nd category initially until evidence indicates they are actually in category "A"

I do accept your apology Escapee, just appeared you were jumping on everything i posted.
I post to relief the boredom and look upon the betfair forum as a trip down the pub for a chat, don't wish to get too involved in any heated arguments but enjoy a bit of debate whilst respecting other peoples views.
I'm off now, goodnight.

lets be honest ,almost impossible for any of them to get a fair trial after all thats gone on.


I agree. We should just find a tree and get some rope for all of them. Save on court costs.

charles; I could spend a long time arguing against your post grappler but I wont.'

why not?

sorry charles but im not commenting on the events overseas, just questioning why a foreign country is marching about it. havent seen any marching about the brutality meted out to innocents in china, or russia, or many other places.

if you have stats that contradict what i said, please produce them, rather than just saying i am wrong. thats too easy.

and as for not spending any time arguing against it, that really is a cop-out. you skip the bits you dont like, and make a feeble non-response to the rest of it. not very convincing. another in denial.

Sky news.. memorial service for George

There's some Rabble-rousing going on right now... They could finish this edition with a good Lynching...

They could finish this edition with a good Lynching...


I think I suggested that already

I know, I'm just agreeing... We'll get Justice in court or outside! We Will Get Justice...

i see wd is suggesting summary justice. mm. you might want to think about that. if you can.

Al Sharpton's on in a minute.. gonna be a treat

George is on tour.. RIP

c'mon grapplar

I have just had a kebab. i'm in a good mood. Not completely serious but if they did that to a dog I would not be unhappy if they got strung up.

grappler
Ok I was a bit hasty and misread your last sentence.

what business is it of the uk what goes on in the u.s? many worse things happen in almost every other country worldwide but we must protest only when something commonplace in others happens in one or two only. in large parts of the world arbitrary arrest and killing happens all the time, with no video or protest marches. we dont care about these, otherwise we'd be on permanent vigil.
As I said what business is it of yours to pass comment either way?

I'll just comment on the middle bit for example:
black lives dont matter when they are killed by black people, but when the white man can be blamed, here we go. again. some of you will be saying thats a specious argument,  ...
The whole point of the thread is about police officers, who happened to be white, not black or white people per se.

In the US black people tended and, I believe still do, live in black areas because it was/is too dangerous to live in predominantly white areas. I will admit I don't have the stats.

The weird thing is I was quite sober when I bought it!

There are plenty of dirty Black cops too. This should not be about skin colour. The Police in America are out of control They even attack press and tv journalists with impunity.

But seeing as people are mentioning the colour of those involved's skin could anyone tell me how many white police officers have been convicted of murder or manslaughter of unarmed black men?

I do know a non white policeman was convicted of the manslaughter of a completely innocent Australian woman recently

There are some Dirty Hard criminals out there, we cant be policed by the Salvation army FFS!

I know who i want protecting me and my family.

Jun 4, 2020 -- 2:11PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

But seeing as people are mentioning the colour of those involved's skin could anyone tell me how many white police officers have been convicted of murder or manslaughter of unarmed black men?I do know a non white policeman was convicted of the manslaughter of a completely innocent Australian woman recently

Can't find the answer WD but this is quite interesting: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/18/us/police-involved-shooting-cases/index.html

as i tried to say earlier, why is is only the u.s we are exercised about? the fact that many u.s. cities are horribly violent, nobody will deny. and i suggested that plod has become demoralised and occasionally these nasty events happen, often because people resist arrest because of draconian u.s. law about repeat offending. note, im not defending what happened, just pointing out the hypocrisy involved

and if the plod in the u.s. is 'out of control' the police in majority black nations are more so, given the appalling numbers of people killed by plod in jamaica, and many other windies states. ive never heard any complaint from anyone about this

and please dont give me the flannel about black people congregating for their own safety. the 'black flight' from places like chicago is well known.

as for plod'attacking press and tv' have you seen what goes on in russia? or china? but there will be no marches about this. if you want to complain about state brutality toward its own, the u.s. is a long way down the list.

pretty shocking Charlie. The article states that 35% of officers charges were found guilty of manslaughter or Murder . 80 officers out of 12,000 odd shotings.  I find that stat to be incredibly high tbh. I am pretty sure not many are charged with murder, certainly not white police officers.

sorry 80 had been " charged " over 12 years and 35% found guilty.

The main cause of Preventable deaths of young white men in the US is Traffic Accidents.

You know what the answer is to young black men??

Homicide by other black men.   Go figure!

a fact ignored is that the safest place to be a black male is far safer wherever there are large numbers of white people. those in denial will deride or deplore this hypothesis, but what they will not do is say it aint true. the truth, it seems, is racist
This is just totally wrong if you look at the stats.
xthink what he's trying to say is that in America, most black people are killed by other black people.

The other policeman who stood by, I'm not sure what they should be charged with, they could/would argue they did not know he was being chocked, they could not determine the level of force etc, however he was consistently saying he couldn't breath, they were at close range and could have restrained him altogether thus not needed one man and his knee, they just seemed to not care.

thats not it. this is a very bad example of plod behaving badly. my point was that it happens all the time elsewhere and nobody gives a flying witches fart about 'black lives' when black men kill their own, as they do in huge numbers in the u.s. and by plod in other places where the police are almost all black.

There is a resonance in many communities not just black. The blacks were kept down and suppressed. Even after returning black soldiers after both World Wars, Korea and Vietnam would not be given mortgages from properties in white areas. You wonder why there are ghetto's? They were not allowed to leave. The criminal justice system gave them no chance. The education system gave them no chance but many whites are experiencing the same hopelessness now. Watch and see who is rioting.

There are huge drug epidemics sweeping America killing far more than covid 19 has. There is an opioid epidemic.

The main cause of Preventable deaths of young white men in the US is Traffic Accidents.


Is that still true? There are huge underclasses all over America. It is pretty shocking. People seem to think this a white v black thing. It is not.

I do not shed a tear for a man who pushed a gun into a woman's stomach. I do feel sorry for all those mothers who worry every day if their sons and now even their daughters will come home safely. At the same token I feel outrage that a policeman and his colleagues could kill anyone like this and would have got off with it if it had not been filmed.

America has huge problems. it is not about black people. They have their own problems.

Six police officers charged with assaulting two students in Atlanta. Aggravated assault and battery. The two kids were tapered in their car by filthy cops. Black v white? 5 of the pigs were black and one was white. A disgusting act of violence. The Police Force are out of control and are usually exempt from prosecution.

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1268575677286154246

Unreal cop gropes her breasts,then lets her go hopeing she doesn't stands still then three other cops run over and beat the sh1t out of her and hand on head again,absolute vermin..

https://twitter.com/Staircase2/status/1268727129300185090

wtf is going on dozens of these happening,like a facist dictator state..

"pandemic of racism"

Corona mutated into racism

not sure if already mentioned , but i heard on the news that the other 3 officers were trainees, just been there a week, definetly makes a different to their role id say

Yes and no elis.

They had been working for months but unfortunately under the supervision of Chauvin. They were probably under probation prior and then maybe off probation and in their first technical full week. It was not their first week on the job.

Any sympathy for them comes in the fact that he was their role model and reporting officer. Can you imagine working in lets say an office and some older geezer gets up on the top rung of a step ladder stretches on tiptoe to get a file or asks a young person to do it. Would you tell the senior man to stop immediately because he is not only braking health and safety law but risking serious injury? Not a great example perhaps but how do you tell a murderous thug who is your boss with 18 odd complaints for use of excessive force and has been involved in death of suspects to get the fcuk off his neck?

I hope the two junior officer do get convicted. I am not sure about how they get punished. The other officer was also some sort of sadist. He was a senior man with plenty of complaints against him for violence too. I would not expect much leniency for him. Chauvin I believe should be charged with murder in the first degree. He knee he was squeezing the life out of Floyd.

I do have some sympathy for the cops. They are dealing with a man mountain who was resisting at one point. If you cant breath, how can you speak?

Listen people please dont bombard me with abuse. I am allowed an opinion on what might have happened as a possible defence..

First degree murder involves a specific intent to kill and premeditation and deliberation.. Cant be true.

The other 3 police officers are in jail, I can only imagine to appease or protect (from) the baying mob outside...

I'd hope the guy gets found guilty of manslaughter and some sort of neglect... 8-10 years...

I can have this opinion because this is an anonymous forum and I live in a bunker.. Certain there are many others with similar views but it's just not acceptable with the pitchfork and torch brigade..

i havent really followed this case , but i think ive heard that he pulled a gun on a woman?, now  forget about his death for a moment, and just think of the former, if that was done here, everyone would be saying absolute filth, id be 1st to tie the noose etc etc, deserves all he gets, and weve all said this about loads of  offenders  on this forum, now nearly 90% of this country is paying homage to this guy.

First degree murder involves a specific intent to kill and premeditation and deliberation.. Cant be true.


He had about nine minutes to consider what his actions were going to result in. He had a little clue when the man said he couldn't breath and another one when the man mountain called for his mother, first word of the infant, last word of the brave.

I hope Chauvin get 40 years and then justice inside the criminal justice system.

If you cant breath, how can you speak? I suggest you ask a friend to stand on your chest for a while then ask him to get off. You might be surprised at the result.

not paying homage to him elis.

The issue is an out of control militarised Police Force. How different are they from the Chinese? Tear gassing peaceful protesters?

There are plenty of white people joining the protests. it is not a black and white issue. There is a lot of injustice in America and poverty. Did you see the old white guy get thrown to the ground by a pig this morning? The rest of the pigs walked over him and claimed he tripped over his own feet? Do we want to see that sort of behaviour?

40 years on the table for the other 3 cops. I just can't accept that punishment and I don't see that a jury will either.

One of them a fresh rookie and supposed to over rule a 20 year veteran.

Did you see the old white guy get thrown to the ground by a pig this morning? The rest of the pigs walked over him and claimed he tripped over his own feet? Do we want to see that sort of behaviour?

Nobody Got Thrown to the ground!!! FFS! BY A PIG THIS MORNING!! THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS!! BULL 5HITE!!

two of the officers had only been working a few months. Hard to overrule a thug who is in charge of you. I have to agree but they said nothing, they were part of it. The other cop was more experienced and should have know better and had the authority to do something. Black people get shot and killed in America just for looking like someone who is wanted.

Seriously?

Did you not see the old white guy thrown to the ground by a policeman in Buffalo?

DIDNT HAPPEN... NUTCASE.

One of the suggested to Chauvin that Floyd be rolled on his side. Chauvin disagreed. I just can't see this guy being given 40 years and then we will have the riots when the not guilty verdict is read out.

America is lost at the minute, with all this happening mayors are now talking about cutting police budgets while they work 12 hour shifts getting spat on, shot, assaulted with no days off. Who would want to be a cop?

Listen people please dont bombard me with abuse

NUTCASE

What can you do when met with plain LIES on here?

One of the suggested to Chauvin that Floyd be rolled on his side. Chauvin disagreed. I just can't see this guy being given 40 years

Don't disagree with that. Not sure myself how you deal with people involved.

See youre not gonna put the link up!! 

i know what you mean whispering, and i didnt mean that you were paying homage to him personally, but it does annoy me when all this stars etc come out etc, and we hardly here a whimper about all these shocking stabbings that occur in this country,

Who would be in the police today risk your life on a daily basis for a ungrateful indifferent public that would drop you in it first chance they get?

Whisperingdeath

Thrown to the floor??  That's just not true is it?

or shall we just move on? forget that one?

Emiteb

Here is a link to a copy of the London Evening Standard

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/buffalo-police-suspended-shoving-protester-a4460416.html

Please open the link, read it and watch the video

Just in case you don't want to open a link

Two US police officers have been suspended after they were filmed shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground, leaving him bleeding on the pavement.

The distressing footage, shot in Buffalo, New York, shows the white-haired man approaching a line of officers in riot gear as protests across the country continued into their tenth night following the death of George Floyd.

One officer nudges the elderly demonstrator with a baton before a second forcefully pushes him with his hand.

The pensioner stumbles backwards and hits the ground with a sickening crack. Blood can then be seen pooling around the man's head as officers appear to continue walking past.

You called me a liar and said it was bullsheite.

This is from reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-buffalo-idUSKBN23C0C0


(Reuters) - Two Buffalo, New York, police officers were suspended without pay on Thursday after a video showed them shoving a 75-year-old man to the ground,

I understand if you are just a wind up merchant, fair enough. Throw the grenade, watch the show and have a laugh. I do that too at times tbf. If you genuinely think I have been lying or am trying to distort the truth I sincerely tell you I am not. These things are happening in America now.

Jun 5, 2020 -- 7:42AM, macarony wrote:

Who would be in the police today risk your life on a daily basis for a ungrateful indifferent public that would drop you in it first chance they get?

This is my stance as well. As essential as essential gets and being completely hung out to dry to appease the mob that they are at the same time being sent out to control. Madness.

He's carrying a crash helmet, thinks he's gonna reason with the Riot Police

Gets pushed as if he was a drunken old lady. He lost his footing as plain as day!

Bangs his head on the floor.. absolutely no sympathy from me.. He's fine in hospital btw.


https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268741931217149952

Whisperingdeath

You put a Spin on it...

I dont wanna play silly games..

elis,

I think he sight of a big strong man calling for his mother shook a lot of people to the core while a Policeman kneeled over him with his hand in his pocket while three other Policemen with guns stopped startled and scared members of the public from stopping him kill the man on the ground.

I would ask you what you would do if you saw a thug on the street in your home town do that to a dog. Now imagine you were on your own and the thug had his gang members with him stopping you from freeing the dog. I suggest you might be a little scared and have to think about your approach before you confronted them ( or maybe you might just lose it and attack the man. We don't always know how we react ).

Those civilians feared they would be shot dead if they tried to stop the killing, that much I am sure.

I do not shed a tear for an armed robber who got killed just like Mark Duggan in this country. Far from shedding a tear I felt thank God one less scumbag was around to terrorise people in area's that I might frequent.

The violence against peaceful protesters and press and film crews is really scary.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1268741931217149952


There are No Pigs and nobody gets thrown to the ground.

Police doing there job and taking no sht! why should they?

their

Emit he was 75 years old. I am sorry you find an old man being pushed to the ground by Police funny. I really am sorry for you.

Whisper, I really cant take you seriously any more.. I'm convinced you're Tom Allen.

Not sure I know who Tom Allen is.

Listen Emit. There is no crime about how you think but it is good to know when a man thinks it is funny when a 75 year old man gets pushed to the ground and his head cracks open.

I have a better understanding of you now. I get a perspective of what type of man you are. See it's good to talk. Communication is the key!

I was laughing at the spin you was attempting to put on the Facts of the incident.. So really please you're not thick.

Media bias is rife at the moment and youre obviously led by this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jei2IqQdMB0     = Tom Allen. hth.

that was my googly

But it was a pretty shocking incident Emit. I would hope nobody wants to see that sort of thing. The two pigs have been suspended without pay.

The two pigs have been suspended without pay

Cant see anything the Police did worthy of any discipline...  more appeasing.. imo

Just to go back to:
a fact ignored is that the safest place to be a black male is far safer wherever there are large numbers of white people. those in denial will deride or deplore this hypothesis, but what they will not do is say it aint true. the truth, it seems, is racist grappler • June 4, 2020 7:25 PM BST

"and please dont give me the flannel about black people congregating for their own safety. the 'black flight' from places like chicago is well known." grappler • June 4, 2020 8:25 PM BST

I suggest everyone should read this to see what did, and what still does, go on:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/feb/21/racial-segregation-in-america-causes
Are African American families more vulnerable in a largely white neighborhood?

Black flight from Chicago do you have a link?

I didn't say that grappler did.