BAME people more likely to die with COVID 19?

Full report not out

It revealed that:

    Death rates in London from Covid-19 were more than three times higher than in the region with the lowest rates, the South West.
    There have been 9,035 excess deaths in London between 20 March and 7 May, according to mortality modelling, with 7,383 of them linked to Covid.
    The highest age standardised diagnosis rates of Covid-19 per 100,000 population were in people of black ethnic groups (486 in women and 649 in men) and the lowest among people of white ethnic groups (220 in females and 224 in males).
    The age standardised deaths rates in confirmed cases per 100,000 population for people of black ethnic groups were 119 in women and 257 in men, Asian ethnic groups (78 in females and 163 in males), mixed ethnic groups (58 in females and 116 in males) and white ethnic groups (36 in females and 70 in males).
    An analysis of survival among Covid victims, accounting for the effect of sex, age, deprivation and region, found people of Bangladeshi ethnicity had around twice the risk of death than people of White British ethnicity. People of Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Other Asian, Caribbean and Other Black ethnicity had between 10 and 50 per cent higher risk of death when compared to White British.
    London had the highest number of diagnosed cases (26,024) and the South West the lowest (7,155), according to data reported to PHE up to 13 May 2020.
    The age standardised death rate among confirmed cases up to May 13, per 100,000 population, was highest in London for both men (140.3) and women (66.8).
    Increased risk of death among the working age population was seen among people of Bangladeshi ethnicity (80 per cent higher risk than the white population), black "other" ethnicity, Pakistani ethnicity (both 50 per cent higher) and black Caribbean ethnicity (30 per cent higher).

I thought your ONS statistics thread proved otherwise IT

The England NHS stats taking dont know out of data is....

British (White)    80%
Irish (White)    1%
Any other White background    3%
    84%
White and Black Caribbean (Mixed)    0%
White and Black African (Mixed)    0%
White and Asian (Mixed)    0%
Any other Mixed background    0%
    1%
Indian (Asian or Asian British)    3%
Pakistani (Asian or Asian British)    2%
Bangladeshi (Asian or Asian British)    1%
Any other Asian background    2%
Caribbean (Black or Black British)    3%
African (Black or Black British)    2%
Any other Black background    1%
Chinese (other ethnic group)    0%
Any other ethnic group    3%


I am shocked by the report.

The NHS data suggests 84% of deaths are white.

UK population is 82% white

Data up to 28th May here...

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

are we surprised by the latest hysteria ?

Not content with creaming themselves over the riots, they are now desperate to make a link with the CoVid pandemic.
Even the virus is now racist if you swallow the narrative

Channel 4 news all over this 'story'

Thanks IT

is it not because a higher % of the BAME community work in health settings compared to white people ? IDK.

I would have thought that would be the case in London where 55% are non-white and only 37% are white British.

Over half if you are talking jobs at the top end darren. Very few Muslim nurses at Dewsbury hospital though, which is odd given the large Muslim population. I think they find being doctors more acceptable.

Medical worker in NHS..

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/nhs-workforce/latest

Asian    29.7%
Black    4.6%
Chinese    2.5%
Mixed    3.2%
White    55.6%
Other    4.3%

In London for nurses...

RCN London’s analysis also revealed that:

    Six in ten of London’s Trusts have a majority BAME nursing workforce;
    Four in ten of London’s Trusts have a black British and Asian British majority nursing workforce;

https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/news/rcn-london-research-into-bame-numbers

Cannot find numbers for doctors but it is high in London

no BAME cases withhin a square mile of Where I live ,the Bloke who runs the Corner Shop in Rude Health including financially

One black family I know  all seem fine

Just guessing, but it's probably the age-adjusted factor that at least partly explains why they make these conclusions even though on the raw numbers it looks like there is no difference

If the black population has younger profile in general and there are less elderly black folks to start with then all things being equal you'd expect lower death rate from covid in black community.  Perhaps therefore same death rates for blacks in % of population terms but at lower age than whites.  Covid probably not the only disease where this is the case

The weird one is the big difference between men and women.  Pretty much unique to covid.  The report for that will have to get in the queue

Can't find the link but I read the disparity was mostly accounted for by the fact that the over representation was seated on population stats from the 2011 census. That population has increased significantly in the intervening years.

They can try and spin numbers and statistics all they want to suit their pathetic narrative, but they can't get past the great big African elephant in the room

I mentioned this weeks ago, Muslim numbers double at every census.

* to lux

Jun 2, 2020 -- 8:36PM, saddo wrote:

I mentioned this weeks ago, Muslim numbers double at every census.

That should not be relevant. All races can choose to be Muslim or not.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan said "lives depend on" finding out why the virus disproportionately impacts black and minority ethnic people, and what actions the government was taking to stop it.

Strange how Most of the Cabinet caught it , And Khan Didnt,Did any BAME MPs catch it ?

Little Khan needs to explain the Africa inconvenience

Sanity depends on it

no mention of vitamin D deficiency as it doesnt fit their agenda they are also terrified of mentioning it

Everyone I know has had it. Their figures are baloney. Worldwide six million infected (they mean tested) and 350 OLED people died (presumption all from covid)
No flu this yr?  I had flu three yrs running. It's a gap yr.
On their own figures covid kills one in eighteen. Six percent. That is bs.
The daily mirror is right. I hate to agreen with any tabloid. Half this country has it. Its gettin the other half soon. A vaccine is a waste of energy. You put a condom on before sex. Not during it.

It might have do do with a number the BAME people who died maybe being overweight,
maybe having diabetes,
maybe their bodies are not producing enough Vitamin D and them not going outside and getting enough sun,
maybe they don't smoke,
maybe they have high blood pressure or asthma,
maybe lving in extended family groups, maybe living in densely populated cities,
maybe working in manual or lower paid jobs with close physical contact or

maybe just maybe in combination with a number of these factors.

What are the statistics on age, weight, occupation, underlying health conditions?

Now having read the report it is death up to April 10th.

London was hit first and hardest so I am not surprised by the answers.

However even ONS admit it is 84% white people who have died.

They seem very focused on number of black people who died. The number in the data is 5.7% of deaths (around 1000 people). The UK population is 3% but the London population on the 2011 census was 13%.

If it's 3% in next years census I'll eat the biggest hat you can find.

It is a steaming pile of bull, and they are polishing it so much they just expect that if they repeat it enough, people will believe it.

Whenever some loony brings it up, just say one word to them, and watch them crumble


that word is Africa.

Seen the news article suggestion people of Bangladesh decent  have the highest death rate from sars-cov-2 in UK , was no raw data or real info but having been looking at blood groups from the get go  of this outbreak i had another look on wiki (blood group by country) and was surprised at how high blood group Ab is in people of Bangledash origin, of course its never that simple and extrapolation, causation  and correlation can be easily confused and misconstrued.
Surprised the article did not mention it, perhaps there is a lack of medical knowledge, don't understand the reason the link between blood groups and death rate has not already been made, perhaps it is far more complicated than simply blood group. I

Would like to see this subject expanded way behond simple pigeon hole by blood group and see the reasons why covid affects peoples so we can understand the risks better.

Generally there is a lack of understanding of this disease, why it is worse and much more infectious in winter, is there some sort of overap  with cold/flu? Does it piggy back on flu and spread more easily. What is the link between blood group angiotensin2, the immune system and covid.... ect ect ect.

some of the luvvy duvvy libtards are questioning the lockdown % fines for black people. are not the same rate as the actual population.Well lets ask them this one what is the ethnicity of the prison population and then ask them why isnt it a true reflection of the actual population • Foreign nationals made up 11% of the prison population;
• People of minority ethnicities made up 27% of the prison population
compared with 13% of the general population.

Raycist ^

Think One of us has posted on the wrong thread/forum

It's most likely me.

All these black peeps out on the streets is another thing, and simply from a outsider looking in, it ain't the smartest time to be out close for this group imo, think they are pissed off for a lot of reasons and the largely unreported riots in France early in lock down gives a clue imo as to why this group might be a bit more affected financially and hence feeling hard done by but was more interested in the science behind sars-cov-2.

On another note I think we need to get the old folks out into the sun, get them exercising more and get some vitamins into them.

Whilst I am here and on the subject the  excess death figure in winter 2017/2018 was 50k, don't rem as much as a peep about it... Whys that then?  And wtf really caused it?

Are the same stats for BAME represented in places like South Asia, Far East, the Caribbean or Africa? I think there are many reasons - some more reflective and obvious - in the UK eg living in smaller spaces/living and socialising in clusters/same place of worship/riskier occupations/etc. But, these cannot be solely down to a lack of opportunities, access to health care or discrimination. I think there could be the element of personality too.

330+ youths.. mainly Black ..had a street party last night  .. right on that pr1ck Lammy,s patch.. what has Lammy and Flabott said about it ... fcuk all... IF THEY AINT BOTHERED WHY SHOULD I BE

Maybe, just maybe any other patch outside that of Lammy's the authority could be less tolerant.

Would someone kindly tell me what the word 'peeps' means/implies.

What does BAME actually stand for ?

Black, Asian, and minority ethnic

LIVES MATTER , as you are probably not in that bracket Posy , yours does not .

thank you casemoney;I'd wrongly assumed it was Black African something something.

posy, I believe peeps is Greek for people.

This whole business of ugly white women and men marching with grotty placards shouting Black Lives Matter bores me rigid and I end up muttering politically incorrect phrases at the tv...they're white for God's sake ;what have they got to complain about.

Re the blacks ;let's keep the intelligent ones who contribute to our society and indeed the pretty womenfolk . As for the rest they don't seem to like it here ;I don't like them here so why don't they bug ger off back to their heritage cuntries and we can all live happily ever after.

Bloody hell saddo I'd not have got that...thank you.

BAME probably a name Made up by some Luvvie Rsoles Somewhere along the Line, what I would term another Victim Label , Despite a large majority of the People not being Victims of any sort , but it Keeps the Bleeding hearts and Dodgy fund raisers happy to have such labels .

Jun 3, 2020 -- 1:15PM, dukeofpuke wrote:

some of the luvvy duvvy libtards are questioning the lockdown % fines for black people. are not the same rate as the actual population.Well lets ask them this one what is the ethnicity of the prison population and then ask them why isnt it a true reflection of the actual population • Foreign nationals made up 11% of the prison population;• People of minority ethnicities made up 27% of the prison populationcompared with 13% of the general population.

you wont hear any politicians talking about this or the BBC, those facts are from the YOUGOV site

If 38% of prison places are taken by foreign nationals and ethnics we have a big problem, it must be costing a fortune.

What this country could do with is a period of Fascist Government to sort things out. You can bet your bottom dollar that the undesirables will be queuing at the airports and ports to get out.

posy ...the white women with placards are the same ones who go on the migrant marches ...they're very eccentric people to start with and  generally hate the white race   and all it's  history  ...if they had their way they would distribute everything into the hands of the ethnic populations /asylum seekers  etc ...

They tend to feel sympathy for rapists , murderers etc and have no kinda reasoning abilities despite the fact that they're all formally 'educated'. 

They're quite dangerous people to have around tbf

or dangerous to themselves  more to the point .... they don't see danger  ...mainly retired ex teachers /social workers/librarians etc

A lot of them white student girlies went to Calais to hand out some 'empathy'.

I think BAME could be a synonym for blame. I believe if one works hard at school (private/public/comprehensive or grammar) and with the correct attitude more doors will be opened regardless. The opportunities are there eg son of Ms Abbot; start from the bottom, if necessary, and work their way up, not exercise self-entitlement.

I fully subscribe to that...the trouble is that too many people of all race/colour/what have you believe education to be a right not a privilege and therefore squander it.Those who take advantage of the privilege invariably do well in life and become responsible,contributing members of society.

80- 90 % of people white or black don't have an education ....  I think people get confused about the whole black thing .


what the hell is it anyway ?  ...someone who  is black or acts black ? 

I know a few blacks but they all behave differently .... do people think that 100 % of  blacks go round drug dealing and rioting  ? 

I don't know what people think  ...it's just a race  ... I don't even know what 'black lives matter mean'  ...do they mean ALL black lives   ?   are all blacks repressed ... what about black serial killers ?   are they in that group ?

we are all confused  ...

What this country could do with is a period of Fascist Government to sort things out. You can bet your bottom dollar that the undesirables will be queuing at the airports and ports to get out.


This is England! Not happening Posy.

I think Black Lives Matter is referring to outright institutional racism and discrimination causing the death of a black person which is abhorrent and must be classified as a criminal act for instance, what's been happening in the USA not just Minneaspolis but other states too.

I've many, many non-white friends (none from South Asia) who I socialise with. The majority of the educated ones are with white partners.

2 million in jails in the USA

I've many, many non-white friends (none from South Asia) who I socialise with. The majority of the educated ones are with white partners.


So sorry, and?

Platini
It is a steaming pile of bull, and they are polishing it so much they just expect that if they repeat it enough, people will believe it.
Whenever some loony brings it up, just say one word to them, and watch them crumble

that word is Africa.

Thankyou Platini. I'll make a note of that in my filofax. Got a pen?

Lewis Hamilton is in fear of losing his life because he is black.

HGS, you won't even need a pen to make a note of the amount of Covid-19 fatalities suffered by Africans

HTH




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BAME: Yet they keep coming in truck and boat loads. Something must be attracting them to the UK. White women and Christianity?

Was from a scene in Only Fools platini. Fabrique  Belgique!

Let's have the hardworking and law abiding Hong Kong Chinese, and goodbye EU.

The people of Hong Kong are more than welcome here. They have contributed many things to the world.


Bruce Lee for one, and thats enough for me