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if it is they still get 60% not much incentive the firms struggling to pay the difference
you,d like to think one of dozens of uni educated media journo,s,pundits could mention,talk about this,but thar ya go
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you,d like to think one of dozens of uni educated media journo,s,pundits could mention,talk about this,but thar ya go
Don't think your comprehensive school education did you much good to be honest 1TP, oh the irony! |
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No
Workers get 80% Employers only pay 20% if they want to top up. |
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New furlough will see employers must pay a % to keep worker on furlough.
Not seen small print, but that's what I am told. |
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Furlough of 8.4 million workers is possibly the saviour of this government
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Think ive read 20% is minimum contribution from employers starting in August
that could be signal for back-to-work in earnest or mass redundancies keep hearing bad news from oil and gas co. up here atm which will have big knock-on effect |
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so if they already make it up, do they pay another 20% on top or does the worker drop from a 100% down to 80% ?
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each company will have to make that decision some will be more generous than others
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id say most only pay 80% and dont top up at all, some nice bosses do pay. but in or around august every boss will have to pay 20% and the gov 60%, the worker would still only get 80&, the ones that get the full 100% now i reckon the bosses will have to pay 40% to keep them on their full pay< but then they might decide to just pay them 20% so those workers getting full now will get 80%. confusing yes ,makes sense to me i think
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If they pay now its on top of 80%
So yes they coup be forced to pay % of 80% Then the other 20% to take it to 100 % would Be extra but still voluntary |
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Could be forced
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yep
I no its all guessing but do you think he,ll say if you dont pay 20% ,you wont get the 60% of us, bad news for hospitality if he does |
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whats terrible about this that some bosses tell employers to take their annual leave during furlough, that means the employee gets his 100% wages , but the employer gets to claim80% from government, so the employer effectively gets away paying holidays, thats shocking
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No, I believe the government doesn't pay anything if the employee is on annual leave. The employer pays 100%.
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They are on holiday, it's tough though.
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Well Shushi Bumcrack has made a rod for his own back here.
Initially it looked like he pulled one out of the hat but it is a double edged sword. Why would any employer want to pay anything extra particularly if they are not generating any revenue? Some employers are using the furlough to pay out redundancy to their workers! The only way out is to get people back to work immediately and those who are going to be made unemployed and there may well be hundreds of thousands are going to have to swallow hard. Further the Government is going to have to imho that is engage in a major scale of public works over the next few years to get unemployed people working and spending money so business can recoup it. Businesses are going to find it difficult to succeed if we have too many people on benefit. I don't think we should over tax the rich either but they should be made to pay their fair share. Cut out the loophole and stop the laws to allow them to send their revenues gained in this country offshore. Good luck the the Chancellor. The political expediency of saving the NHS is going to cost! |
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Could easily argue that employees should be expected to lose 2 of 4 weeks holiday
Due to 6 months furlough. Taking 4 weeks hollies after 6 months furlough is pushing it a bit |
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getting a bit sick of these wealthy landowners spouting on tbv how their having to take time out to teach booby smith how to pick a strawberry ,but didn't need to show vladamir how to do it, thought these types didn't like running the uk down
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In making the announcement today, Sunak is paving the way for those in "zombie jobs" to be put through the redundancy consultation process of 45 days.
Furlough system will continue unchanged for June and July, those in zombie jobs will formally be laid off no later than July 31 if employer can't / wont make the 20% contribution. Also been reported that the burden of employers national insurance and pension contributions will also be pushed back to employers from August. Thus it's not just the 20% that employers will require to find. |
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Of course
And you may have 4 weeks booked around Xmas if your work is seasonal. |
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no pp , its definete the boss pays you youre full usual rate, but they can claim back 80% of it.
Is holiday pay when on furlough based on 80% or 100%? And does it include commission and bonuses? The guidance now confirms holiday pay should be full pay, so employers need to pay 100%, or “normal remuneration” which would include bonuses, commissions (where contractual) and overtime. The employer can claim 80% of the holiday pay back whilst the employee is on furlough. thats from gov sight, my boss is doing that |
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If you assume a simplistic 10% employer national insurance contribution and a 5% employer pension contribution, an employer who has not been topping up would require to find 32% to keep an employee on furlough (20% + 8% + 4%).
For an employer who has been topping up, to continue doing so from August would move them from 20% to 55% (20% + 20% + 10% + 5%). |
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For completeness, the cost to the employer prior to the furlough scheme was 115%.
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Is it truly 115% if you are making a profit?
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i could be on furlogh from april to october getting 80% of my wages paid by gov, if i have 4 weeks annual leave due , the boss can force me to take them while on the furlogh as long as he gives you few weeks notice, for those 4 weeks all he has to do is top up my wages to 100%( therfore he only has to pay 20% of his own money) saving him loads. another thing is if you are on furlough say 3 months you still accure holidays around 2.5 days per month
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Yeah, understood
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