bit worrying rishi sunaks not good with numbers

you,d like to think one of dozens of uni educated media journo,s,pundits could mention,talk about this,but thar ya go

Don't think your comprehensive school education did you much good to be honest 1TP, oh the irony!

No

Workers get 80%

Employers only pay 20% if they want to top up.

New furlough will see employers must pay a % to keep worker on furlough.


Not seen small print, but that's what I am told.

Furlough of 8.4 million workers is possibly the saviour of this government

Think ive read 20% is minimum contribution from employers starting in August
that could be signal for back-to-work in earnest or mass redundancies

keep hearing bad news from oil and gas co. up here atm which will have big knock-on effect

so if they already make it up, do they pay another 20% on top or does the worker drop from a 100% down to 80% ?

each company will have to make that decision some will be more generous than others

id say most only pay 80% and dont top up at all, some nice bosses do pay. but in or around august every boss will have to pay 20% and the gov 60%,  the worker would still only get 80&, the ones that get the full 100% now   i reckon the bosses will have to pay 40% to keep them on their full pay< but then they might decide to just pay them 20% so those workers getting full now will get 80%.  confusing yes ,makes sense to me i think

If they pay now its on top of 80%

So yes they coup be forced to pay % of 80%

Then the other 20% to take it to 100 % would
Be extra but still voluntary

Could be forced

yep
I no its all guessing but do you think he,ll say if you dont pay 20% ,you wont get the 60% of us, bad news for hospitality if he does

whats terrible about this that some bosses tell employers to take their annual leave during furlough, that means the employee gets his 100% wages , but the employer gets to claim80% from government, so the employer  effectively gets away paying holidays, thats shocking

May 29, 2020 -- 1:48PM, elisjohn wrote:

whats terrible about this that some bosses tell employers to take their annual leave during furlough, that means the employee gets his 100% wages , but the employer gets to claim80% from government, so the employer

No, I believe the government doesn't pay anything if the employee is on annual leave. The employer pays 100%.

They are on holiday, it's tough though.

Well Shushi Bumcrack has made a rod for his own back here.

Initially it looked like he pulled one out of the hat but it is a double edged sword. Why would any employer want to pay anything extra particularly if they are not generating any revenue?

Some employers are using the furlough to pay out redundancy to their workers!

The only way out is to get people back to work immediately and those who are going to be made unemployed and there may well be hundreds of thousands are going to have to swallow hard.

Further the Government is going to have to imho that is engage in a major scale of public works over the next few years to get unemployed people working and spending money so business can recoup it. Businesses are going to find it difficult to succeed if we have too many people on benefit.

I don't think we should over tax the rich either but they should be made to pay their fair share. Cut out the loophole and stop the laws to allow them to send their revenues gained in this country offshore.

Good luck the the Chancellor. The political expediency of saving the NHS is going to cost!

Could easily argue that employees should be expected to lose 2 of 4 weeks holiday
Due to 6 months furlough.

Taking 4 weeks hollies after 6 months furlough is pushing it a bit

getting a bit sick of these wealthy landowners spouting on tbv how their having to take time out to teach booby smith how to pick a strawberry ,but didn't need to show vladamir how to do it, thought these types didn't like running the uk down

In making the announcement today, Sunak is paving the way for those in "zombie jobs" to be put through the redundancy consultation process of 45 days.

Furlough system will continue unchanged for June and July, those in zombie jobs will formally be laid off no later than July 31 if employer can't / wont make the 20% contribution.

Also been reported that the burden of employers national insurance and pension contributions will also be pushed back to employers from August.
Thus it's not just the 20% that employers will require to find.

May 29, 2020 -- 1:58PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Could easily argue that employees should be expected to lose 2 of 4 weeks holidayDue to 6 months furlough. Taking 4 weeks hollies after 6 months furlough is pushing it a bit

This is always a toughie situation. If you have been in hospital for six months for example, are you entitled to holiday pay for that time? Holiday entitlement is normally accrued over your working year. You can bet your bottom dollar that some employers will be trying all sorts to wriggle out of paying it.

Of course

And you may have 4 weeks booked around Xmas if your work is seasonal.

no pp , its definete the boss pays you youre full usual rate, but they can claim back 80% of it.
Is holiday pay when on furlough based on 80% or 100%? And does it include commission and bonuses?
The guidance now confirms holiday pay should be full pay, so employers need to pay 100%, or “normal remuneration” which would include bonuses, commissions (where contractual) and overtime.

The employer can claim 80% of the holiday pay back whilst the employee is on furlough.

thats from gov sight, my boss is doing that

If you assume a simplistic 10% employer national insurance contribution and a 5% employer pension contribution, an employer who has not been topping up would require to find 32% to keep an employee on furlough (20% + 8% + 4%).

For an employer who has been topping up, to continue doing so from August would move them from 20% to 55% (20% + 20% + 10% + 5%).

For completeness, the cost to the employer prior to the furlough scheme was 115%.

Is it truly 115% if you are making a profit?

i could be on furlogh from april to october getting 80% of my wages paid by gov, if i have 4 weeks annual leave due , the boss can force me to take them while on the furlogh as long as he gives you few weeks notice, for those 4 weeks all he has to do is top up my wages to 100%( therfore he only has to pay 20% of his own money) saving him loads. another thing is if you are on furlough say 3 months you still accure holidays around 2.5 days per month

May 29, 2020 -- 2:17PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Is it truly 115% if you are making a profit?

Just providing a basic example to illustrate that the cost of employing an individual isn't just the gross pay, you also need to include burden.
In the short term, this is the cash flow that will be of greatest concern to organizations who have been unable to trade.

Yeah, understood

May 29, 2020 -- 2:07PM, elisjohn wrote:

no pp , its definete the boss pays you youre full usual rate, but they can claim back 80% of it.Is holiday pay when on furlough based on 80% or 100%? And does it include commission and bonuses?The guidance now confirms holiday pay should be full pay, so employers need to pay 100%, or “normal remuneration” which would include bonuses, commissions (where contractual) and overtime.The employer can claim 80% of the holiday pay back whilst the employee is on furlough.thats from gov sight, my boss is doing that

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/holiday-entitlement-and-pay-during-coronavirus-covid-19

Yep, you are right enough, this section here seems to clarify,

Furloughed workers
An employer should not automatically pay a worker on holiday the rate of pay that they are receiving while on furlough, unless the employer has agreed to not reduce the worker’s pay while on furlough.

If a worker on furlough takes annual leave, an employer must calculate and pay the correct holiday pay in accordance with current legislation - see the standard guidance. Where this calculated rate is above the pay the worker receives while on furlough, the employer must pay the difference. However, as taking holiday does not break the furlough period, the employer can continue to claim the 80% grant from the government to cover most of the cost of holiday pay.