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Some scientists have warned that it's not safe for children to return to school this Monday amid the coronavirus pandemic.
However, Professor Robert Dingwall, who is part of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG), has hit back - saying children are at "very low risk".
He added that the Government's decision to allow schools to reopen for reception, year one and six from Monday "is not a risky move".
It comes after a major study found that kids are not coronavirus super-spreaders - and are unlikely to transmit Covid-19 between each other or to adults.
Speaking on Sky News this morning, Prof Dingwall claimed: "I think there's a broad consensus that children are low risk, they're at very low risk of getting a serious infection.
"The risk of death in children is about one in five and a half million and they're rather more likely to die in road accidents or even from lightning strikes than from the virus."
Since the outbreak began, two children aged under 15 have died after testing positive for coronavirus in England and Wales.
And Prof Dingwall's estimation that the risk to children of catching and than dying from coronavirus is one in 5.5 million is based on these two deaths out of a population of 10.7 million under-15s in England and Wales.
It means that on average, under-15s face the lowest coronavirus fatality risk of any age group.
An average of three people in the UK are killed every year as a result of a lightning strike.
'Not a risky move'
Prof Dingwall added: "Children certainly don't transmit it among themselves in a greater rate than adults do - this is not a risky move in that respect.
"The teachers are just as likely to contract the infection from their own activities in the community."
The sociologist from Nottingham Trent University claimed that the main risk from schools reopening was to parents picking up their kids.
Despite this, Prof Dingwall pointed out that there is clear scientific evidence that there is a lower risk of spreading coronavirus outdoors.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11735602/kids-more-likely-die-lightning-covid-school/
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Yet Boris shut all schools and now some Unions/Councils not happy about re-opening. Should never have been shut except for vulnerable kids.
60,000 are already dead
If they took more care we could probably ease the lockdown more quickly
You have all the facts but zero ability to use them with common sense
Folk not stressed at work dying of heart attacks
Folk not getting flu and other infections
60,000 is about right
May 29, 2020 -- 12:11PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
The level of risk young people are prepared to take is exactly why60,000 are already deadIf they took more care we could probably ease the lockdown more quicklyYou have all the facts but zero ability to use them with common sense
Many of those 60,000 would be dead anyway.
50% (?) are from carehomes. Should have been protected and lockdown did not save any lives there.
Handfull of under 20s died with Covid. Terrible for their families but a tiny number compared to old/vulnerable.
Protect the old/vulnerable and let everyone else carry on.
It is best for everyone.
Living with a vulnerable person it will be hard to keep isolating when everyone else goes back to normal but I would not expect everyone to stay in lockdown (or even go into lockdown in the first place) to protect my wife. It is down to each family to assess the risks and make their own choices.
You are making stuff up
These are 60,000 deaths over the usual deaths, not just 60,000 deaths
May 29, 2020 -- 12:29PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Many?You are making stuff upThese are 60,000 deaths over the usual deaths, not just 60,000 deaths
Excess deaths will go negative at some point but by that time the media will have moved on.
May 29, 2020 -- 12:30PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Why not get your Mrs a job as a teacher
?
She'll be safer there than with you who is a risk to her
As detailed above
May 29, 2020 -- 12:32PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Excess deaths should be negative already because of the lickdownAs detailed above
Lockdown costs lives.
It saves lives on top of corona lives saved
You are making stuff uo
May 29, 2020 -- 12:32PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Excess deaths should be negative already because of the lickdownAs detailed above
I bet some on the lockdown fanatics be whinning when public services have to be cut due to the hundreds billions spent, broken business, loss of tax revenue from this.
May 29, 2020 -- 12:32PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Excess deaths should be negative already because of the lickdownAs detailed above
How many lives do you think lockdown will ultimately save/cost?
There is no doubt of that.
When virus is purged you can open more quickly
with more confidence
And economy will have more of a v recovery.
Dribs and drabs before we are ready purely to deflect Cummings wife's birthday treat risks harming a v recivery
May 29, 2020 -- 12:40PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
If you kept lockdown then excess deaths would turn negativeThere is no doubt of that. When virus is purged you can open more quickly with more confidenceAnd economy will have more of a v recovery. Dribs and drabs before we are ready purely to deflect Cummings wife's birthday treat risks harming a v recivery
You think the longer we are in lockdown with limited access to health care, dental care, mental health benefits for social interaction etc.. the more lives that will be saved?
A blanket number of people dying simply including people who had died with the virus is cowboy stuff, you'd expect this kind analytical summation delivered to the nation and accepted with challenge by a country like North Korea.
Also, numbers of people who die from knife crime in the UK every year is around 250, very small numbers, and these crimes happen generally in poor areas, firstly you need to know how many people so far have died anyway from this crime so far this year to draw a comparison and secondly, poor areas have suffered consequently from the lockdown regardless in other ways, less likely to have laptops to study from home.
Air pollution deaths do not happen in short spurts, it is attributed to a cause of death based on lifetime exposure, we've been in partial lockdown for a few weeks.
Research has also shown 8.6 million drinking more frequently due to lockdown (alcoholchange.uk)
Calls to the National Domestic abuse helpline has also in creased by 66%.
60, 000 is just a completely random made up number. I know you really don't like this government but this isn't about politics and you shouldn't make it political to score points, the Covid-19 death numbers are simply not real.
May 29, 2020 -- 12:37PM, 1st time poster wrote:
insider having a shocker on multiple threads at the same time, he,s not hancock is he
Strange that. All the science that is coming out suggests more and more that social distancing and good hygiene is the key.
Norway admitted this and their lockdown was pointless.
Sweden doing better than us without lockdown.
The list goes on.
The reality is the R rate was falling massively pre-lockdown.
May 29, 2020 -- 12:46PM, dave1357 wrote:
oh more aftertiming by insider trader
Been saying the same thing since early April. Almost two months as the more and more damage has been done.
May 29, 2020 -- 12:56PM, dave1357 wrote:
You also misrepresent norway's position.
May 29, 2020 -- 12:10PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:
It's an idea for the older children and workable, for nursery kids yes more difficult, maybe then can stay at home, not sure it's important for them to be there, much more important for year 6's.
Please explain why it's so important for year six kids to return.
May 29, 2020 -- 12:52PM, dave1357 wrote:
There was no medical consensus in "early april" that children were at low risk of passing the virus to other children and adults.
If you are waiting for medical consensus on everything no one would ever do anything ever.
May 29, 2020 -- 1:04PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:
May 29, 2020 -- 11:10AM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:It's an idea for the older children and workable, for nursery kids yes more difficult, maybe then can stay at home, not sure it's important for them to be there, much more important for year 6's.Please explain why it's so important for year six kids to return.
Its important that everyone returns. They should never have stopped going.
The government- in its infinite wisdom - decided reception, y1 and y6 should be first. Forumites here agree the trauma of being faced with a covered up teacher ordering them to stay apart might not be in the best interests of young children.
But I'm asking why Darren thinks it's so important y6 pupils go back. They will face the same restrictions once there, are missing out on no work as they are being taught at home and y6 final term is a notorious doddle anyway.
You can argue (whether rightly or wrongly) as to what should and shouldn't have been done, but the question pertains to returning and managing that properly. The government are balling this up, just as they've done pretty much everything else.
I want recovery to be swift
You just are so short sighted you will stall any recovery whilst culling more brits.
These whack job threads you start promoting ill-conceived ideas are just bonkers
I am working on the assumption they will still take place, they were due to take place 3 weeks ago.
Nursey kids have goldfish memories, they're not really there to learn much, more to learn other basic skills such as interaction and general behaviour skills.
Year 1 and 2 tests are cancelled
Phonics tests cancelled
if kids bring their own
Nursery have been stripped of all toys
Sand pits are cordoned off, no water play.
May 29, 2020 -- 1:32PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:
year 6's need preparation for big school, this includes taking end of Keys Stage 2 SATS tests, which are used to assess a child's current academic le level/progress, they're also used to measure progress from end of KS1 tests, secondary schools need to know these results.I am working on the assumption they will still take place, they were due to take place 3 weeks ago.Nursey kids have goldfish memories, they're not really there to learn much, more to learn other basic skills such as interaction and general behaviour skills.
SATS tests are gone. May take place in the Autumn if they see any value of still doing them. They will literally be going back to piss around for six weeks and be told off for going too close to each other.
See, if the argument was that GCSE's and A-levels were important therefore third, fourth and upper sixth (not sure what current equivalent is) had to attend safely spaced out classes for revision and then halls for exams then at least there's some logic in that. Similarly, if the proposal was for Y6 pupils to safely visit their secondary school for a couple of open days then there's sense there.
This is just pointless. Just virtue signalling to say "schools are back" without thinking about why they're back. This government just hasn't got a clue.
teacher said I,ll ring back next week ,which was wed,,she said you havnt got a choice no parents agreeing to come so we,re not opening
Maybe that will help prepare them better for big school.
May 29, 2020 -- 1:53PM, 1st time poster wrote:
my grandson,s teacher phoned last week his dad said I,ll think about and let you no ,but think not,teacher said I,ll ring back next week ,which was wed,,she said you havnt got a choice no parents agreeing to come so we,re not opening
Where is that? At my niece's school 3 parents did not want their kids going back because a family member was on the vulnerable list. All the other kids were jumping at the chance of going back and seeing their friends.
This was then overtaken by Lancashire Council stating that the five government tests couldn't be met given current positions on testing and PPE, so advised all schools to remain closed and not to take any more key workers' kids, but just stay with what they've got.
Was a stupid, half baked plan to begin with but any goodwill or trust in the government to look after our kids has been utterly trashed in recent days. Just another big failure from them.
Parents of kids have holidays booked.
We might get to enjoy so time in uk over the summer, on holiday
Helping to seed the recovery
Stern stuff indeed
Whilst fighting to protect NHS from another government sponsored flare up
May 29, 2020 -- 2:49PM, impossible123 wrote:
I think kids whose parent/s share a house or live with grandparents esp those in the NHS or key workers would consider returning to school on 1st June a risk too difficult to weigh up or justify. And, I believe there could be quite a few.
They can stay home if they want and it makes sense in those cases.
know of two who should be guaranteed a place but have hardly been allowed to go at all as the teachers keep in turn deciding they have a cold and need to isolate.
Either way now its Summer lets be decisive. Open them up or just close and save on the wage bill.
Despite trying to brighten it up with bunting etc is is soulless. All toys and games have been locked away, no sand, no playdough, no dolls, no building blocks. Bookshelves turned around to face the wall. Books to read have to be 'rationed' and wiped down after use.
We can only fit 16 in our dining room, they will barely be able to talk to each other and have a conversation. No ball games in the playground either or anything they can touch or be passed around by hand.
Signs everywhere with do this, don't do that. I will report back but my guess is some of the infants will freak and want to go home because the teacher they adore, will have to keep them at arms length or more. We have sent a video of what it looks like to parents so they can prepare their kids for what they are in for.
Year 6 will get bored of all the hand washing, one way systems, extra rules, sh*te food and figure out they got more work done at home and had more fun!
Don't get me wrong, I want to get back to work and make the best of it but it's going to be interesting to say the least...and all we are doing is following the rules set down by the govt, no more, no less.
This is the result of the Government building up this illness into something that so many seem to think rivals the black death just to ensure people stayed at home. For that alone Johnson should quit.
May 29, 2020 -- 3:24PM, paulypaul wrote:
I have been in the school where I work, getting ready for opening. My God you have to see it to believe what it looks like. A crime scene springs to mind, all that is missing is some people in white suits and masks.Despite trying to brighten it up with bunting etc is is soulless. All toys and games have been locked away, no sand, no playdough, no dolls, no building blocks. Bookshelves turned around to face the wall. Books to read have to be 'rationed' and wiped down after use.We can only fit 16 in our dining room, they will barely be able to talk to each other and have a conversation. No ball games in the playground either or anything they can touch or be passed around by hand.Signs everywhere with do this, don't do that. I will report back but my guess is some of the infants will freak and want to go home because the teacher they adore, will have to keep them at arms length or more. We have sent a video of what it looks like to parents so they can prepare their kids for what they are in for.Year 6 will get bored of all the hand washing, one way systems, extra rules, sh*te food and figure out they got more work done at home and had more fun!Don't get me wrong, I want to get back to work and make the best of it but it's going to be interesting to say the least...and all we are doing is following the rules set down by the govt, no more, no less.
Absolutely absurd they are doing this.
Swedish schools been open through out with no problems whatsoever.
It is almost as if Boris and his cronies cannot admit they over reacted in March so they have to have these absurd policies now to justify the several months lockdown and the trashing of jobs and the economy.
We seem determined, driven on by right wingers, to knock
Them off top spot
I see uk excess deaths are showing another spike having been falling
in all areas bar Scotland, probably the result of those ve day parties.
May 29, 2020 -- 4:05PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
Sweden top of death tableWe seem determined, driven on by right wingers, to knockThem off top spotI see uk excess deaths are showing another spike having been fallingin all areas bar Scotland, probably the result of those ve day parties.
You seem scared of your own shadow determined to see causation in correlations that just do not exist.
I'm just advocating the best way forward
You are locked away with yer Mrs trying to get others killed
Go fugure
May 29, 2020 -- 4:11PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:
I ain't scared of anythingI'm just advocating the best way forwardYou are locked away with yer Mrs trying to get others killedGo fugure
I am not trying to get anyone killed.
My position is simple. Protect the old/vulnerable better.
Let those who are unlikely to be badly effected go on with their lives if they want to.
I don't see why everyone else should put their lives on hold by law just because vulnerable people need protecting.
My position is as stated about.
Basically do not lock people up. Explain the risks properly and let them decide.
You want folk to die whilst cowering in your bolt hole
But to get barney Cummings out of news they say tests are net
Excess deaths already going up again
Let's throw a few more teachers on the funeral pyre
Problem is, we've seen nothing like that from this government. We've seen them contort their own advice to get a pal off the hook, seen mixed messages and patting themselves on the back for a "fantastic job" when even Dominic Cummings would be able to see they've been crap.
That's the big issue right now. Confidence. Show us that you're on top of it and that people will be safe and we'll trust you with our kids and visit shops again. You're just going to get unused schools and shops if you don't.
But when it's safe to do it
I t wants it lifted yesterday,
I want figures down to manageable levels first.
May 29, 2020 -- 4:39PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:
I'd be tempted to agree with IT as long as we get the priorities right. If I saw a proper plan on how to protect the vulnerable I think I'd have more confidence in re-opening things for everyone else. Protecting the weak has to come first otherwise there'll be a window for the infection to take hold again and kill thousands more.Problem is, we've seen nothing like that from this government. We've seen them contort their own advice to get a pal off the hook, seen mixed messages and patting themselves on the back for a "fantastic job" when even Dominic Cummings would be able to see they've been crap.That's the big issue right now. Confidence. Show us that you're on top of it and that people will be safe and we'll trust you with our kids and visit shops again. You're just going to get unused schools and shops if you don't.
Quite right.
My fear is in order to look politically correct and not single people out they are going to try and do it together as a country rather than give different advise to different groups.
There is a very real danger the vulnerable will not get the right advise here because Boris and his pals will not want to appear 'ageist' etc.
What we actually need is honesty (these numbers are NOT real they for illustration)...
If you are over 85 and you get this you got a 16% chance of dying on the data we have.
If you have multiple cardiac issues you have a 40% chance of dying on the data we have.
Hancock announces on tv that dentists can open on June 8th. Looks like he's failed to tell dentists that though and they're telling people that they don't have the equipment ready to open in time.
Clueless
All these decisions from the top is just madness.
It is like a controlled economy on steroids with no infrastructure to run a soviet style economy.
Javid refused,... He's gone
But to get barney Cummings out of news they say tests are net
Excess deaths already going up again
Let's throw a few more teachers on the funeral pyre"
Why are teachers special? They can take the same risks that everyone else does which in practice is tiny anyway.
This is merely a thread about schools reopening
Hence banned from seeing grand parents
So asking them to not shiote in their pants or pish on the floor
is going to happen
grand parents and can't see own grand children
It's peverse
They have been managing just fine these past 10 weeks or so
And writing reports
Pretty much a full time job
Your one person across the street forging your basis of a national profession
is not a great basis to form an opinion.
is not a great basis to form an opinion
Your one person across the street forging your opinion on a national
May 29, 2020 -- 6:29PM, Cardinal Scott wrote:
Provocative title but with kids its who the will pass it on to that is the major worry.
Like all people in most jobs, you will find those who squirm out of a shift and those who go way beyond the call of duty. Teaching is no different. I would wager a huge percentage of teachers have worked incredibly hard.
