why evolution is utter piffle.

'The future of evolution' is guesswork.

The past of evolution has overwhelming evidence.

Living 900 yrs means you would be highly educated

would have forgotten everything around 800 years or so early once dementia had set in imo.

Also, look closely between your fingers and toes, evolution is staring at us, they're webbed together, the remnants of our amphibian past.

Sow me a dog that changed to a pig.

Animals appear without any precursors . Bats

Spiders have been around longer than dinosaurs if you bbelieve the old age theory. Yet they are much the same. They exist in all conditions. It therefore must evolve?  yet scientists say it's reached its apex, because it won't do as it is told?  Thousands of sspecies all not improving? Dumb crocs.

There are fish that have changed into pigs   (and dogs,and dinosaurs) over hundreds of millions of years.

Creationists seem to think a lineage not changing into a different species in within their own lifetime then that proves evolution can not be possible.

Of course spiders have evolved, into different species of spiders.

New sscientist AMD nature magazine both site a mitochondrial eve as the ancestor of all humans.

Charles Darwins family all freemasons, Satanism.  Google his grandfather, his father and freemasons. Edinburgh and Derby lodges.  Would you aaccept science from Satan.

Saw a documentary a few years ago about some Scottish guy who has been alive since the 1500's. Had been taking on new identities every so many years. Interesting stuff. Cant remember what it was called.

They worship creation rather than the creator. St.Paul saidvthis two thousand yrs ago. Animal worship. Blue planet. Darwin and the priests of eEgypt his predecessors have dragged the animals morphing into better creatures through centuries. And changed the terminology to be scientific.  It's bs pseudo science. It's being overturned . Many PhD biologists in thousands now say it cannot happen. Even Dawkins and Crick realize that evolution needs more time . So the mudpool would have to be on a distant planet? Panspermia. So how does a lfreform get from planet Mongo? To here? Whether it's a spore or Spock. The vast distances between solar ssystems will make that absurd, the scale is easy to see if we sbrink our solar system down to a cirule seven metres in diameter. The sun a pencil dot. The next solar system called aalpha centauri would be 4.5 miles away. We have trouble getting to mars at speed mars is a centimetre or two.  Dawkins is a man with a half added biology degree from the ssixties talking about panspermia. Outside his field of expertise. They know life cannot form on earth. Using evolution. They refuse to yield to actual science from biologists who train in the minutte realms of cell anatomy.

Mitochondrial Eve was not the only woman alive in the world.

She is everyone's mother's, mother's, mother's etc mother × however many thousand generations.

There will have been plenty of other woman alive the same time as her that were the ancestors of everyone alive today, but our descent from them is in some generations only through the male line, so the mitochondrial DNA link is broken.

They worship creation rather than the creator. St.Paul saidvthis two thousand yrs ago. Animal worship. Blue planet. Darwin and the priests of eEgypt his predecessors have dragged the animals morphing into better creatures through centuries. And changed the terminology to be scientific.  It's bs pseudo science. It's being overturned . Many PhD biologists in thousands now say it cannot happen. Even Dawkins and Crick realize that evolution needs more time . So the mudpool would have to be on a distant planet? Panspermia. So how does a lfreform get from planet Mongo? To here? Whether it's a spore or Spock. The vast distances between solar ssystems will make that absurd, the scale is easy to see if we sbrink our solar system down to a cirule seven metres in diameter. The sun a pencil dot. The next solar system called aalpha centauri would be 4.5 miles away. We have trouble getting to mars at speed mars is a centimetre or two.  Dawkins is a man with a half added biology degree from the ssixties talking about panspermia. Outside his field of expertise. They know life cannot form on earth. Using evolution. They refuse to yield to actual science from biologists who train in the minutte realms of cell anatomy.

Real science generates real outcomes.   Physics- stronger material. Microwaves. Exotic energies we harness. Atom bombs. Chemistry and biology too.  Evolution is a philosophy , it's roots in Hinduism and Greek philosophy. It provides an excuse. Nothing more. You justify yourself and pagan nature.

zorro - give it a rest, you aren't going to convince anyone to join your lot on here. You're better off talking drawings etc to foinavon

Final argument... Go to youtube. Paul James Griffiths. Exposing the roots of Darwinism.

I challenge you to watch one hour of Christian ppropaganda. I have watched yrs on the bbc. From the seventies to now. I watched Dawkins and hitchens chew kud.

If you are yellow. If you fear the truth. Give an excuse. You lose the argument. 

It is only a soul. Sell it to me.

Plenty of strong scientific proof of evolution.
No scientific proof of God, just plenty of stories.
I am hedging my bets though just in case, Amen.

They tell us that we lost our tails evolving up from little snails, I say it is all just wind in sails....

I'm an aethist, thank God.

Rick and Morty. I AM. evolution propaganda again. Love this cartoon. Satan tells good jokes.

wif a lishp

K smartarse

If evolution is utter piffle explain Geordies!

They were genetically bred to keeps the jocks out!

aye but they had to get Romans to help

i think they were from Lazio

Zorro, how’s the cave painting coming along?
I thought you’d chucked your hand in with all this after your last attempt at the bible code decipher resulted in another blank?

Capt Christopher Pike on duty. Beep.beep.beeeeeep.

Watch the little Christian historian in glasses, on youtube.
Paul James Griffiths. Exposing the roots of Darwinism.
Short lectrue about 50 minutes long.   Or are yoh a yellow belly . I've watched James burke, Dawkins, Hitchens, and fifty other atheists in science telling me god is not real.  I'm nof scared of your crap. So watch one dissenting voice. No excuses. Make an excuse and you are lying to yourself. A craven yellah bellied snake.

Startrek discovery.. Spore drive?? Mushroom tech? Alice in wonderland is highlighted... One of the first multiverse forays? Down the wormhole into amother universe. They play out their fiction in convincing CGI.  Everett was a student that dreamt up multiverse theory.  after dc comics had been dishing it out in the early fifties?  Fiction.

Capt Christopher Pike on duty. Beep.beep.beeeeeep.

Watch the little Christian historian in glasses, on youtube.
Paul James Griffiths. Exposing the roots of Darwinism.
Short lectrue about 50 minutes long.   Or are yoh a yellow belly . I've watched James burke, Dawkins, Hitchens, and fifty other atheists in science telling me god is not real.  I'm nof scared of your crap. So watch one dissenting voice. No excuses. Make an excuse and you are lying to yourself. A craven yellah bellied snake.

Startrek discovery.. Spore drive?? Mushroom tech? Alice in wonderland is highlighted... One of the first multiverse forays? Down the wormhole into amother universe. They play out their fiction in convincing CGI.  Everett was a student that dreamt up multiverse theory.  after dc comics had been dishing it out in the early fifties?  Fiction.

May 29, 2020 -- 3:59AM, zorrostrikes wrote:

Capt Christopher Pike on duty. Beep.beep.beeeeeep. Watch the little Christian historian in glasses, on youtube. Paul James Griffiths. Exposing the roots of Darwinism. Short lectrue about 50 minutes long.   Or are yoh a yellow belly . I've watched James burke, Dawkins, Hitchens, and fifty other atheists in science telling me god is not real.  I'm nof scared of your crap. So watch one dissenting voice. No excuses. Make an excuse and you are lying to yourself. A craven yellah bellied snake. Startrek discovery.. Spore drive?? Mushroom tech? Alice in wonderland is highlighted... One of the first multiverse forays? Down the wormhole into amother universe. They play out their fiction in convincing CGI.  Everett was a student that dreamt up multiverse theory.  after dc comics had been dishing it out in the early fifties?  Fiction.

I watched the video by Paul James-Griffiths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhlm_PK7Uw4&list=PLG_5Ixm1ZwTQ7ZYWkCnyz13qRXPox6aH5&index=5&t=0s

The introductory slide of his talk is titled: Exposing the Roots of Evolution (not Exposing the Pagan Roots of Evolution).

I found it quite interesting but not for any reason that zorro would acknowledge. To cut it short it seems that the Hindu's had a belief of evolution which was taken up by the Greek philosophers (Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, etc), it went to Egypt, was followed through the Middle Ages, The Renaissance, Freemasons, Edinburgh University and then by Darwin. It's quite an interesting history lesson showing people had thought about evolution many years ago and came up with some good ideas.

He doesn't make any attempt to disprove evolution.

I have no doubt species evolve. Bigger/Smaller, sharper teeth, better vision, better digestive system etc.

I can see cats develop into sabre tooth cats and back down into smaller cats, mamooths into elephants and vice versa.

But developing into new species from another i am sceptical.

If everthing changes to adapt to its enviroment then why do we have such a diverse amount of different species who share the same habitat? Why do they all not diverge into the most succesful type of animal for that enviroment?

Again, during a crossover there must be a time where different a new species is being formed from an existing one, we currently see no evidence of this.

The platypus was long put up as a species in "transition" until ancient  platypus skeletons where found with virtually no changes. Similar the penguin, was put up as a transition animal, but again ancient fossil finds suggest it has not changed much apart from getting smaller.

Another unanswered question, how come Earth has only ever had 1 species evolve into shall we say super intellegent, able to look into the stars and ask the questions and develop technology way way in advance of anything else? If we come from Apes, and previous to that fish, why havent we had other animals evolve in a similar way?

Ps if we evolve to suit the enviroment then we could do with wings to save on petrol costs and Co2 emmissions. Though i doubt in 2 million years we will evole to grow them.

Reasonable questions. I'll take them one at a time.
If everthing changes to adapt to its enviroment then why do we have such a diverse amount of different species who share the same habitat? Why do they all not diverge into the most succesful type of animal for that enviroment?

They generally do but that involves more than one type of animal. In an ecosystem you can't have one animal that eats everything because, eventually, they'd have nothing to eat and would die of starvation.

I should have started earlier in your post.

Sabre tooth tigers didn't evolve from what we consider cats today (domestic cats, tigers, leopards, etc). They went off on a different branch and went bust.

Mammoths and elephants aren't from the same evolutionary branch either but do have a common ancestor - they both did their own thing and we know which side had the better idea.

Again, during a crossover there must be a time where different a new species is being formed from an existing one, we currently see no evidence of this.

Not entirely sure what you mean by a crossover but if it's say a bird evolving from some reptile like thingy then there are fossils, just a tad older than me, that show the "crossover".

The platypus was long put up as a species in "transition" until ancient  platypus skeletons where found with virtually no changes. Similar the penguin, was put up as a transition animal, but again ancient fossil finds suggest it has not changed much apart from getting small

Who said  platypuses and penguins were examples of species in "transition". I'm not sure what a transition is - is it the same as a crossover?

mammoths suffered from genomic meltdown, diseases their most likely ending.

Another unanswered question, how come Earth has only ever had 1 species evolve into shall we say super intellegent, able to look into the stars and ask the questions and develop technology way way in advance of anything else? If we come from Apes, and previous to that fish, why havent we had other animals evolve in a similar way?

There were other, shall we say, super intelligent **** species. It's not entirely certain but more than likely we bumped the others off.

h o m o species

Ps if we evolve to suit the enviroment then we could do with wings to save on petrol costs and Co2 emmissions. Though i doubt in 2 million years we will evole to grow them.

Unlikely, we've gone down a different evolution branch to birds with all that entails - bone structure, weight, etc - we also find our arms and hands quite useful for doing stuff.

Again, during a crossover there must be a time where different a new species is being formed from an existing one, we currently see no evidence of this.

This takes tens of thousands of years so hardly gonna be something observable in human history.

Reasonable questions. I'll take them one at a time.
If everthing changes to adapt to its enviroment then why do we have such a diverse amount of different species who share the same habitat? Why do they all not diverge into the most succesful type of animal for that enviroment?

They generally do but that involves more than one type of animal. In an ecosystem you can't have one animal that eats everything because, eventually, they'd have nothing to eat and would die of starvation.

But evolution doesnt know this, or are you suggesting evolution has a quick think before it decides to make the changes?

Absolutely not.

The platypus was long put up as a species in "transition" until ancient  platypus skeletons where found with virtually no changes. Similar the penguin, was put up as a transition animal, but again ancient fossil finds suggest it has not changed much apart from getting small

Who said  platypuses and penguins were examples of species in "transition". I'm not sure what a transition is - is it the same as a crossover?

yes, if evolution can change one species into another species we must see some species in the middle of this crossover. Both Platypusses and Penguins have been put up as such animals in the crossover. However fossil remains show they have been the same for thousands if not millions of years, (apart from size reduction). So we do not seem to have any cross over species currently. This is very strange as evolution suggests crossover/transitions are both commom and relatively easy.

I'm sure there are many 'top predators' that "thought" fck me this is easy pickings and then went bust. We seem to be doing the same.

What do you mean by change one species into another?

The **** species all from the same branch and eventually left just us.

But no other branch of evolution has ever gor close to us in terms of knowledge and technology. Why hasnt it?

Aparently we went from Ape to our current form in 200,000 years, a very short time frame in the history of the earth. But nothing else in millions of years of evolution has got anywhere close! Very odd.

As I said above we bumped them off probably.

There are lots of different animals such as a camel, a chameleon, a cobra, a chicken which all found their niche in the world. Different h o m o s' didn't.

How could we possibly know what species are currently transitional. We can't come back in 100,000 years to see.

I don't know who on earth said penguins and platypuses are transitional species.

Traits are passed on because they are useful in helping an individual to thrive in his environment so that he can then stay alive to breed and have descendants.

Intelligence is not necessarily going to help an individual.

If a lion is born with a mutation that makes him more intelligent than other lions is that going to make him a more successful lion ? Being a successful lion involves hunting, killing Hyenas and fighting other lions, not thinking about making technology from your environment.

Ape to human was a transition of a couple of million years, rather than 200k

eg fish to mammal, you know not a mammoth into elephant or sabre tooth tiger to a tiger. It was not a difficult thing.

I can see things getting bigger/smaller to suit enviroment, as we have got taller. But no evidence exists of a the crossover, and even though it takes thousands of years we should see evidence lets say of a fish species becoming a mamal, where some are still fish, somer are technically mamals as the transition/crossover isnt fully complete amongst the species.

We see none of this.

As mentioned, this question is a big one and one not answered as of yet, the 2 candidates where the platypuss and the penguin, but both now seem to be a fairly stable animal with no significant changes in 10s of thousands of years, only thing to have changed is the size.

Re the wings it was rather flippant, however we could all make a few changes to species to give them a better defence system should we say, such as poisinouss to predators, but not all go down this route. This is argued by abundance in numbers so not necessary to keep the species going. But how does evolution know this, or does it say we will think about it when numbers drop to below xy or z?

eg fish to mammal, you know not a mammoth into elephant or sabre tooth tiger to a tiger. It was not a difficult thing.

I can't understand what you mean can you explain please.

As said above sabre tooth cats and mammoths did not evolve into anything. They are extinct with no descendants living today.

Reptiles evolved from fish 300-400 million years ago and mammals evolved from reptiles.

Those questions are without asking how evolution often seems to have an end result, such as how an eye becomes into place.

It is extremley complicated, how can it just slowly develop, just the retina say with no purpose at all, then adding on top the other things to make it function. I have seen very sketch arguements re this fact, but none are convincing.

Same as put carbon, water, electrity etc into a soup, and voila, life.

Well we cannot get life without DNA and DNA needs RNA, we cannot get any life without adding the RNA ourselves, but science skips over this.

As i say evolution does happen, not an anti evolusionist, but the current model i dont believe is right and there is more to it.

maleuk01
You are jumping from one thing to another seemingly at random. Try discussing one thing at a time. I must admit I've lost interest because of this. I'll leave it to tobermory for a while.

^^the "eye" has evolved many times.  It is one of the least puzzling evolutionary developments in animals.  It provides advantages no matter how poorly developed it is and more advantages the better it develops.

im not at all, u admitted u dont understand.

Fair ennough u dont understand.

Devout Evolusionts have no answers to some of the questions i posted, and are at a struggle to get the answers. So i doubt u could just come forward with them.

The development of say vision and the complexities of how it randomly arises is one where arguements have been put forward, but as i say not very convincing, The others are still unanswered. So i doubt you can answer them Charlie as you dont even understand the questions.

Thanks for trying your best though.

Tober yes it has taken millions of years for apes to human species, but only 200,000 years from first human species to evolve to what we are today. Given that is a drop in the ocean time wise its a bit odd no other species have had the same rapid progress or to reach a fraction of what the human mind is capaable of.

furthermore on vision, animals living in caves mutate to lose vision.  There is no "drive" for that to happen, it happens randomly, merely that they die out if they venture beyond the darkness.

I don't know why you find the arguments for eye evolution unpersuasive. As Dave says there are advantages with only the most basic vision; knowing night from day, knowing something moved or not etc

The first human species is debatable, but I don't know of anyone that disputes Home erectus was human and that is 2 million years old at least. I think some sort of human species will have been around a lot longer.

In the last 200,000 years, actually more probably 300,000+ , our own species has been around. And it is debated how much we have evolved during this time. My guess is not very much and people 100,000 years ago, if you brought them back in a time machine when they were babies, would probably go unnoticed in modern society after growing up with our culture.

you lose what you don't use, when fish left the water they lost their fins because they were no longer needed, animals living complete darkness lose their eyes because they don't need to see.

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the key point is that change occurs randomly.  Because an attribute provides no advantage or even a disadvantage in a changed environment, the randomly lost attribute is passed on to future generations.

Letter p. Penguin and ptata****. Xxx rated ttile.
I thot about the story of how life started and how they DNA began. Bearing in mind Darwin did not know the cell contained three bbillion amino acid letters. If life began quickly on our planet. Then more startup should have been generated. CAGT. Symbolizes the amino acids. Where are the others. SYTR. GDWT. All eight million species use CAGT.
Dawkins and Crick push evolution off the planet. Panspermia. This is twilight zone science. Last excuse beforevthe house falls down. He also tries to rope in multiverse theory?. A comic book idea of dc comics from wonderwoman. Early fifties. He convinced an audience that Steven Weinberg a Nobel prize winner in physics was exploring this. He then interviewed him thinking he had ammunition. Stevie set him straight. No fkin physicist anywhere has published a paper on multiverse theory. He told him in stark terms it's a non starter. Never will I eat green eggs and ham lunacy. The flash and green lantern can travel to quark . The rest of us to Tesco. Stevo then tells Dawkins the universe is so finely balanced and so exotic and complex that the will never have a theory of everything. During their discussion Dawkins squirmed in his chair and looks up at the ceiling in despair. What's up there? The second floor or God,
The universe is so finely tuned . The cosmological constant is 10 to the power of 120. . That is one constant in twenty five. All balanced at huge levels. A ruler trillions of miles long and you place a pencil mark on it.
Nature uses the Fibonacci sequence. 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89.. Etc. Adding the two previous numbers. Petals are arranged like this. Patterns on pineapples. Trees all use this.  It screams design. Dawkins says you caknot trust your eyes? WTF. It oonly appears to be designed... Atoms use the Fibonacci seq. Spiral galaxies. Too.    If the universe was billions of yrs old. All the spiral arms woyod have twisted into a circle

Evolution is full of holes . I made a list of 100 and some are very relevant. My mob. The Christians delve backwards about 12,000 yrs. Evolutionist expand this to absurdity.
If  plasma physics is right. The universe began much sooner. It explains all matter and Dark dark energy and matter is not needed. It's 99 percent all there.
If you explain the universe to 100 percent and it stands up. Then all the physicists iinvested in dark matter are out of a job. Einstein must have got a few people fired who thot contrary to him. Science moves on. Evolution is a idea from Hinduism. The ladder of life. One animal looks similar to another. Morphological ssimilarity. Look at that apes hand it's like me?   another view. Eight million designed animals. There will be similarities. Take comic book ccompanies. One company does Batman. So marvel does daredevil. Aqua man-submariner. Thanos-darkseid. . You try creating millions of planes or cars and corkscrew openers and not get things looking similar. Draw ten faces. Try and draw ten animals with different combinations. We get similarities. Columbo-quincymonk, Quincy-csi Vegas. Hollywood pumps oit the same stories again and again . People,aka women, mix up star trekkers with starwars. so we look at an ape and look at us. We see similarities . Compare and contrast. So we trust our eyes. Flip.

Orphan genes destroys evolution.
Plasma physical will destroy mainstream physics.
Electromagnetism is the king force.  .
I destroyed an old pc I had. I salvaged the parts. Fan.memory. CPU fan. Etc. Old hard drive kaput. I tore it apart and got a super magnet that is hard to separate.  A magnet is a small reminder of a vast force.