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Coronavirus: Scientists say a more contagious mutant strain has been sweeping globe
"The story is worrying, as we see a mutated form of the virus very rapidly emerging," the study's authors say.
Alexander Martin  Technology reporter @AlexMartin  https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-identify-more-contagious-mutant-coronavirus-strain-sweeping-europe-and-us-11983554

Scientists say they have identified a mutation in coronavirus which they believe means a more contagious strain has been sweeping Europe and the US - and could even reinfect those who already have antibodies.

Researchers at Los Alamos National Laboratory in the US detected 14 mutations in the COVID-19 virus spike proteins, one of which - known as Spike D614G - they said was of "urgent concern".

Their research paper suggests the mutated strain of coronavirus that has become dominant across the world was first indentified in Europe and is different to those which spread early on in the pandemic.

So urgent is the issue that the research paper describing their findings has been made available before being peer-reviewed, although this has caused concern among some observers.

By analysing more than 6,000 genetic sequences of coronavirus samples taken from patients globally, the researchers found the mutated strain was persistently becoming the most dominant version of the virus in every region it was detected in.

While first discovered in Europe in early February, the researchers believe the coronavirus mutation has now become the most prevalent strain across the whole of the world.

The study indicates it has been consistently out-competing the original strain detected in Wuhan, which spread through that region of China and some other Asian countries before March.

Dr Bette Korber, the study's lead author, said: "The story is worrying, as we see a mutated form of the virus very rapidly emerging, and over the month of March becoming the dominant pandemic form.

"When viruses with this mutation enter a population, they rapidly begin to take over the local epidemic, thus they are more transmissible."

The mutation to the spike protein has caused concern because this is one of the most effective parts of the virus, and the aspect which most treatments and vaccines are targeting.

For instance, the discovery of a "groundbreaking" antibody - that prevents the virus from infecting human cells - works by binding to this protein instead of allowing it to bind to cells and replicate.

The spike proteins are molecules on the outside of the virus which it uses to grab hold of and then penetrate the outer walls of human and animal cells.

There are two key features in the protein which have been attributed with its enormous infectious ability.

The first is called the receptor-binding domain (RBD), which they describe as "a kind of grappling hook that grips on to host cells", while the second is known as the cleavage site, "a molecular can opener that allows the virus to crack open and enter host cells".

The researchers acknowledge they do not know how the mutations have changed these key features.

However, the fact the team's findings have not yet been peer-reviewed has concerned some observers, who fear the potentially alarming report should be rigorously analysed before being made public.

On the website hosting the study, one user suggested the "title of the manuscript seems a bit disingenuous" and warned that the prevalence of the mutated spike protein could be a matter of correlation rather then causation.

Although the mutated form of the virus is quickly out-competing the one initially detected in Wuhan, the researchers say they are not certain of their hypothesis that this is due to the spike protein mutation rather than another mutation.

Given the spike protein's "vital importance both in terms of viral infectivity and as an antibody target, we felt an urgent need for an 'early warning' pipeline to evaluate spike pandemic evolution", the study's authors said.

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By:
Angoose
When: 05 May 20 21:08
Geez a break Sad
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 May 20 21:10
So urgent is the issue that the research paper describing their findings has been made available before being peer-reviewed, although this has caused concern among some observers.

^

Rinse and repeat.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 05 May 20 21:11
This is bad news. I was reading earlier if this is confirmed the lockdown may have to continue for 15 years.
By:
Angoose
When: 05 May 20 21:13
IT, any chance you could read the paper and give us the benefit of your expert data analysis skills. ?
By:
jollyswagman
When: 05 May 20 21:15
no more deadly than earlier versions is what i read?

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 May 20 21:16
How will the vaccine work against mutating viruses?
By:
eyeball
When: 05 May 20 21:19
All viruses mutate
By:
Angoose
When: 05 May 20 21:24

May 5, 2020 -- 9:15PM, jollyswagman wrote:


no more deadly than earlier versions is what i read? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-e...


That's part of the problem, so many papers being written on the same topic, so little time for them to be adequately considered.
Lots of dedicated individuals all trying to make the key breakthrough.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
There continues to be more not known about COVID-19 than is known.

By:
Dotchinite
When: 05 May 20 21:27
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know so its best we stay in lockdown until we know.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 May 20 21:29

May 5, 2020 -- 9:19PM, eyeball wrote:


All viruses mutate


How effective can a vaccine be against a virus like this?

By:
black shuck
When: 05 May 20 21:35
Ffs just unlock us..feck the consequences we are all going to die one way or another
By:
peckerdunne
When: 05 May 20 21:41
This is a concern on a number of levels, including recovery.

The US death rate is currently rather high..

I wont be going down to the local this year, sadly...
By:
eyeball
When: 05 May 20 21:44
I would not know , Denzil . Influenza jabs have to be changed every year covering new strains . I would think that people have already produced antibodies against it . Your guess is as good as mine on the effectiveness of a new vaccine but they will eventually find one . Keep fit and enjoy a good diet . You'll be fine .
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 May 20 21:49
Cheers eyeball good straightforward advice,good time of year to eat clean (allergy season).
By:
eyeball
When: 05 May 20 21:51
Exactly Denzil
By:
Dotchinite
When: 05 May 20 21:58
Eating well wont protect you from Covid if you are 95 and have a terminal illness though.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 05 May 20 22:00
Post of the day ^^^^
By:
jollyswagman
When: 05 May 20 22:03
many of the people who died of covid had years to live, even the old ones with comorbidities

https://www.actuaries.org.uk/news-and-insights/news/what-difference-word-makes
By:
eyeball
When: 05 May 20 22:14
Can't argue with that , Dotchinite Laugh
By:
edy
When: 05 May 20 22:15

May 5, 2020 -- 9:15PM, jollyswagman wrote:


no more deadly than earlier versions is what i read? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-e...


I think a widespread assumption was all along that the virus was likely to mutate before long into something more contageous, but still less deadly overall.

We'll see if these mutations that are happening are really less deadly. Happy

...if humanity survives to compile and analyse the stats Scared

By:
eyeball
When: 05 May 20 22:37
jollyswagman, you can't really say with any assurity that many of those people had years to live , anymore than I can say that they didn't . There

is only one factor I have found (with limited available results)that links mortality . The only way you can prevent infection is by isolation or

thorough protection (very difficult)but infection is not the problem . Death is what we need to prevent . The blog made assumptions without any

links to data or scientific analysis and I would rather rely on my research rather than opinion or heresay . Not to say I am correct but it is my

hypothesis and I stand by it .
By:
Angoose
When: 05 May 20 22:41
The ONS provided data of registered deaths, showing a highly significant number of "excess deaths", provides strong evidence that many of these  individuals would still be alive if they not been infected by COVID-19.

Do you have any reliable evidence to counter that of the ONS ?
By:
jollyswagman
When: 05 May 20 22:47
eyeball,the actuaries say you are wrong and they are professionals in this area, read the link i provided.
By:
eyeball
When: 05 May 20 22:54
No , I believe that to be true . It is a virus that attacks the respiratory system and is particularly deadly to certain groups. I don't disagree .
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 22:57
There is no 1st wave of any virus

Until people get that through their tiny skulls the better
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:01

May 5, 2020 -- 9:11PM, Dotchinite wrote:


This is bad news. I was reading earlier if this is confirmed the lockdown may have to continue for 15 years.


These stories will pop up everywhere

A new lie to with the old one, get caught in the lie and just lie some more

Being led by the most moronic shower of s****

"make a lie big enough", but the lie has to have some consistency, any lie we get fed nowadays is so far away from reality its pathetic

By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:06

May 5, 2020 -- 9:24PM, Angoose wrote:


May  5, 2020 --  8:15PM, jollyswagman wrote:no more deadly than earlier versions is what i read? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-e...That's part of the problem, so many papers being written on the same topic, so little time for them to be adequately considered.Lots of dedicated individuals all trying to make the key breakthrough.I've said it before, and I'll say it again.There continues to be more not known about COVID-19 than is known.


You'll never know everything because they muddy the waters and bounce from one narrative to another quicker than the speed of light

Hospital deaths, wider community deaths, care home deaths, people got it before we knew deaths, all the way back to December we go, dig bodies up and check them out, add 3000 deaths here, 3000 deaths there, 100,000 tests, oh no we've gone under 100,000 deaths, he's been sacked, she's got corona virus, NHS overwhelmed, NHS not overwhelmed, nightingale hospital opens, nightingale on pause, body bags here, coffins there, they've been sacked, oh look King Jong Un might be dead, oh no King Jong Un is alive, 2000 deaths added there, 1000 deaths there..... etc etc etc

How can anyone even begin to know where the fack they stand with all that going on?? how can they even possibly piece the puzzle together?

Come back next week when another load of horse s*** has been dumped on the dumpster fire

By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:08
Make a lie big enough

More like just make it up as you go and confuse people to the point of just going out for a walk
By:
eyeball
When: 05 May 20 23:18
jollyswagman , he is an actuary working for Willis Towers Watson dealing in risk management . I have not disagreed with his assumptions . I always

read the links . It would be rude for me to comment otherwise . He makes a percentage guess on historical statistics which over a period of time

will make the companies he works for , and ultimately himself , money .
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:18
And I've just checked the link out and they are claiming its weakening...

So Angoose again fails to add this in his pathetic attempt at fear porn
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:18
All Angoose has done throughout this is constantly post fear porn after porn
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:19
Along with his cronies, Gigg and co
By:
peckerdunne
When: 05 May 20 23:19
so why is the rate of death so high in the US
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:19
Why not post the whole story angoose?

Prat
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:21
It ain't Laugh

The more testing is revealing its actually coming down quickly

I explained this yesterday, first up they only test the death bedders

Then the at high risk bedders

Then the underlying conditions

This gives a false high death rate, once they start testing everyone else they move the narrative on to something different ie masks, tracing apps etc
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:22
No one has any time to know they've been duped because they move from one narrative to another
By:
peckerdunne
When: 05 May 20 23:30
read the question
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 05 May 20 23:41
Read my answer
By:
winningthought
When: 05 May 20 23:43
A More Contagious Mutant Strain Has Been Found

But is it friendly?

Reminds me of my second wife Sad
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