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Angoose
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Coronavirus health passports for UK 'possible in months'
Tech firm Onfido in talks with government about system to help Britons return to work
Kate Proctor and Hannah Devlin https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/03/coronavirus-health-passports-for-uk-possible-in-months

Tech firms are in talks with ministers about creating health passports to help Britons return safely to work using coronavirus testing and facial recognition.

Facial biometrics could be used to help provide a digital certificate – sometimes known as an immunity passport – proving which workers have had Covid-19, as a possible way of easing the impact on the economy and businesses from ongoing physical distancing even after current lockdown measures are eased.

The UK-based firm Onfido, which specialises in verifying people’s identities using facial biometrics, has delivered detailed plans to the government and is involved in a number of conversations about what could be rolled out across the country, it is understood.

Its proposals, which have reached pilot stages in other countries, could be executed within months, it says. The firm could use antibody tests – proving whether someone has had the virus – or antigen tests, which show current infections.

Digital identity experts say they are in the “discovery stage” of what could be tailored for the UK government, but developing a type of health certificate through app technology is gaining traction.

The government is understood to be moving away from the phrase “immunity passport” as evidence continues to emerge on exactly how immunity develops after someone has had Covid-19. The World Health Organization has also issued a stark warning over attempts to give people false assurance through a passport scheme.

On Monday, Boris Johnson will call on countries to come together in a “truly global effort” to defeat the coronavirus as he co-hosts a virtual Coronavirus Global Response International Pledging Conference, and confirms the UK’s promise of £388m funding for research into vaccines, tests and treatments.

It comes ahead of the prime minister outlining a “roadmap” out of lockdown, including the need to tackle workers’ fears of being in close proximity to others.

Over the weekend, two firms made breakthroughs on developing antibody tests. The Swiss drugmaker Roche received emergency use approval from the US Food and Drug Administration for a test they have developed, while Quotient, in Edinburgh, says its screening machines have capacity for up to 36,000 antibody tests a day and produce results in 35 minutes with 99.8% accuracy.

These are lab-based tests, however, relying on blood to be taken by a medical professional and requiring large machines for analysis, taking time.

The holy grail in antibody testing is a home pregnancy test-style kit that would provide almost instant results. So far none on the market, including 17.5m ordered by the government, have been demonstrated as sufficiently accurate. Typically these tests produce false negatives about half to 70% of the time.

Onfido, which is in talks with ministers, was founded by three former Oxford University students in 2012 and has worked with Monzo and Zipcar. It says it has the ability to roll out a system within months and could be the “linchpin of the new normality” and stimulating the economy.

Their solution would embed Onfido technology within another organisation’s app to establish someone’s identity. The person would be asked to take a selfie and an image of their government-issued identification, such as a passport or driver’s licence. The technology can determine whether the person’s face matches their ID, and also if the ID is genuine. This creates a digital identity.

They are then tested for coronavirus under a system endorsed by the government and the result is stored by another provider – in the UK this would most likely be the NHS.

When the person goes to their workplace, they open the app, take a photo of their face and that unlocks a QR code. That QR code would be scanned by reception using simple camera technology and on their system they would see the test result and a photo of the employee’s face for a short time, allowing them to visually determine the identity of the person in front of them.

The only technology a business would need to make this work would be a camera to take an image of the QR code as they arrive. No information about someone’s name, date of birth, address would be visible to the person on reception, only that they are fit to go into work.

There are remaining questions about the extent to which the presence of antibodies in the blood ensures immunity. Early reports of apparent Covid-19 reinfections in South Korea now appear to have been explained by a combination of false negative results and because the body’s healing response can lead to infected cells from the lungs being expelled weeks after initial infection, causing people to test positive even though they are recovering.

However, many experts still think it likely that immunity will wane over a period of months or years, potentially leaving people vulnerable – and some people could acquire more robust immunity than others.

A government source said a form of certification system is “still on the table and being considered” and that conversations around this concept fall under the government’s “track and trace” plans.
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Report Angoose May 4, 2020 6:44 AM BST
No need to worry though, the government aren't really in talks with Onfido, The Guardian has made it all up as part of their communist plot.
Report Reynard May 4, 2020 7:25 AM BST
A very sinister development , but not entirely unexpected Scared
Report John.W.Henry. May 4, 2020 8:43 AM BST
There will be plenty working on getting the forged ones just to make sure they anit banned from anywhere. Wink
Report nineteen points May 4, 2020 8:46 AM BST
its a ridiculous idea and the thin end of the wedge.
Report InsiderTrader May 4, 2020 8:53 AM BST
What next a ban on cash because it is too dangerous?

Remember the goals are:

1. Ban cash so they can trace exactly what everyone is doing and switch money on and off if you behave ending individual control.
2. Pump vaccines/drugs into everyone rather than suggest foods/exercise for healthy living because the drug business is big business causing dependency ending individual control.
3. Keep people in a constant state of fear so they beg the state to intervene and people shame others who do not comply under individual control.
Report John.W.Henry. May 4, 2020 9:00 AM BST
schussss Trader... Many on here do not want to read posts like that. They are scared by them Grin Easier to live in denial for them Crazy
Report nineteen points May 4, 2020 9:05 AM BST
what do you mean by scared?
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:08 AM BST
Why let the govt brainwash you when you can log onto a betting exchange forum and be brainwashed there instead. Cool
Report aaronh May 4, 2020 9:16 AM BST

May 4, 2020 -- 8:53AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


What next a ban on cash because it is too dangerous?Remember the goals are:1. Ban cash so they can trace exactly what everyone is doing and switch money on and off if you behave ending individual control.2. Pump vaccines/drugs into everyone rather than suggest foods/exercise for healthy living because the drug business is big business causing dependency ending individual control.3. Keep people in a constant state of fear so they beg the state to intervene and people shame others who do not comply under individual control.


Sometimes things just aren't that deep IT

Report John.W.Henry. May 4, 2020 9:22 AM BST
nineteen points04 May 20 08:05Joined: 18 Feb 02 | Topic/replies: 19,141 | Blogger: nineteen points's blog
what do you mean by scared?


Once you open up the box of pandora you will begin to realise the scale and magnitude of the lies and deceptions which have passed you by.

Easier for many to live in denial as the truth scares them.

You dont have to agree. Make up your own mind. Thats why you have one.
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:22 AM BST
Pump vaccines/drugs into everyone rather than suggest foods/exercise for healthy living

Are people in this country really that stupid generally that they don't know what's good for them and what they should be doing for the best chance of a healthier life?

Or are most fully aware what they should be doing but for a myriad of reasons they aren't taking what they really know to be the best action regarding looking after themselves.

It's past the point for me where stronger action needs taking from the govt regarding the nations health but then you'd have plenty (as evidenced by this forum alone) who'd be up in arms that this goes against their civil liberties. Cry
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:25 AM BST
John Henry

People brainwashed by the govt so you thought it a good idea to post random carp by whacko's because they have sold books to people they have brainwashed with their completely unfounded tripe based on conspiracy and paranoia themselves.

You couldn't make it up Grin
Report nineteen points May 4, 2020 9:27 AM BST
jwh.i am dead against it and agree we are being kept in the dark and treat like very small children.i have definatly made my mind up about whats going on.not only this but in general going forward
Report John.W.Henry. May 4, 2020 9:32 AM BST
Each to everyones own. Matters not to me.

@ striding .. all a matter of opinion. Look at the presented facts and work it out for yourself. Or just keep tuning in at 5pm for the magic numbers show. Your call Crazy

But you can make it up.. they do every day Silly
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:33 AM BST
JH

Regarding politics I was lost a long long time ago, completely apolitical these days and very little trust in what is quoted by politicians.
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:35 AM BST
The difficulty with the current situation has been having absolutely no expertise on the subject so trying to form judgements as the reliable evidence presents.

Insider Trader has actually posted some interesting stuff in this regard, certainly food for thought.
Report John.W.Henry. May 4, 2020 9:37 AM BST
No interest whatsoever in politics for me striding. Just another charade for punch and judy Grin

Do i vote ? Only if we have a candidate standing for the monster raving looney party Silly
Report InsiderTrader May 4, 2020 9:39 AM BST
stridingedge
04 May 20 08:22
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Pump vaccines/drugs into everyone rather than suggest foods/exercise for healthy living

Are people in this country really that stupid generally that they don't know what's good for them and what they should be doing for the best chance of a healthier life?

Or are most fully aware what they should be doing but for a myriad of reasons they aren't taking what they really know to be the best action regarding looking after themselves.

It's past the point for me where stronger action needs taking from the govt regarding the nations health but then you'd have plenty (as evidenced by this forum alone) who'd be up in arms that this goes against their civil liberties. Cry


^

Again you are asking for government action.

The only action required is basic education on healthy living. Nothing forced.

The idea of drugs, tests and vaccines being pushed through with limited testing and giving big pharma immunity from prosecution if these drugs cause damage to people is unacceptable.
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:43 AM BST
The implication Then IT is that i credit too much intelligence to the population in general. most people know what they should be doing regarding their health but they aren't doing it.

Fat parents thinking it's ok for their kids to be obese by the age of 5.

How can you not know this is just plain wrong!

I just don't understand it, there has to be more going on than a lack of education.
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:45 AM BST
I think in the case of obesity FEAR and consequences are more needed than gentle persuasion.
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 9:48 AM BST
ie it needs to be drummed into people exactly what the impacts are of being overweight and obese both for the individual and the nation. Any education needs to be more hard hitting, somehow the message just isn't there.

In general regarding exercise and diet, we need a revolution.
Report InsiderTrader May 4, 2020 9:48 AM BST
Some of it is just lack of knowledge. Eat a bag of sweets and that is your calories for the day. Education needed for that.

A lot of serious obesity in adults is due to child abuse.
Report stridingedge May 4, 2020 10:03 AM BST
Yes some of it lack of knowledge, abuse would be a factor along with so many more factors but 2/3 of the population are now overweight and obesity has almost doubled in 20 years.

If you went out and surveyed 1000 people , I believe your finding would suggest what people know they should do and what they actually do are too often miles apart with their lifestyle.

However it's done this needs doing regarding getting the nation healthier.People have to start taking more responsibility themselves.
Report 1st time poster May 4, 2020 10:13 AM BST
a brexiteer government who,s leading mp,s voted consistently against ID cards,bringing back control by rolling out immunity passports,cant see  it myself,more knicker elastic getting twanged by the right,the rights in a tumble drier at the moment
Report morpteh mackem May 4, 2020 10:27 AM BST
onfido- i take it dominic cummings brother is involved ?
Report jucel69 May 4, 2020 11:00 AM BST
You are going to have firms offering controlled infection soon so people can get back to work.
Give you an injection of Chinese flu and then look after you for 14 days or so until you are over it and become immune
Could be a nice little earner as majority of people have very mild symptoms
Report sofiakenny May 4, 2020 11:01 AM BST
16 of the 23 boffins in SAGE are govt employees.
Report aaronh May 4, 2020 11:31 AM BST

May 4, 2020 -- 11:00AM, jucel69 wrote:


You are going to have firms offering controlled infection soon so people can get back to work.Give you an injection of Chinese flu and then look after you for 14 days or so until you are over it and become immuneCould be a nice little earner as majority of people have very mild symptoms


Will be able to tell who the arsekissers are at any workplace who wants to willingly infect themselves for their boss

Report aaronh May 4, 2020 11:36 AM BST
If governments want people to go back to work, then strengthening sick pay should be one of their first things to look at
Report 1st time poster May 4, 2020 12:11 PM BST
no idea of numbers infected,essential workers only getting tested, still to hear from a single person who,s tested positive with mild symptons,cabinet minister Wallace on today supposedly mild dose said he wouldn't wish it on anyone and wouldn't like it again,but they keep trotting the line out
Report 1st time poster May 4, 2020 12:19 PM BST
of the over 300,000 tested towards the end of the last week,apparently jogging on suffering from mild symptons,95% of them never had it, Wallace was unfit for work for 2 weeks and he,s got a desk job
Report wondersobright May 4, 2020 2:08 PM BST

May 4, 2020 -- 8:53AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


What next a ban on cash because it is too dangerous?Remember the goals are:1. Ban cash so they can trace exactly what everyone is doing and switch money on and off if you behave ending individual control.2. Pump vaccines/drugs into everyone rather than suggest foods/exercise for healthy living because the drug business is big business causing dependency ending individual control.3. Keep people in a constant state of fear so they beg the state to intervene and people shame others who do not comply under individual control.


exactly right imo

Report InsiderTrader May 4, 2020 2:11 PM BST
China, on the other hand, has decided to colour-code people rather than places - the first nation effectively to license people to go about freely.

A month ago it rolled out a health status smartphone app. In the coronavirus epicentre of Wuhan, residents must show their status to use public transport. If they're green, they're healthy and good to go. If they're red, they should be in isolation as a known sufferer of Covid-19.

Aside from privacy issues that would be a major factor in Europe, critics say there is no guarantee the health status will be accurate when it's checked by an official. Those kinds of concerns have played into a World Health Organisation recommendation to all governments not to issue "immunity passports".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52470472

Terrifying if a western democracy even considered making this mandatary.
Report DenzilPenberthy May 4, 2020 2:14 PM BST
Do they have vaccines for the mutated coronaviruses as well?
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