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UK lockdown must not be lifted until Covid-19 transmission is understood, say scientists
Studies into spread of the disease will centre on those working in the health and social care sectors as cases continue to rise
Robin McKie https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/uk-lockdown-must-not-be-lifted-until-covid-19-transmission-is-understood-say-scientists

British scientists are racing to try to answer fundamental questions about the Covid-19 virus and its transmission before the lifting of the current national lockdown is approved by the government in the near future. Researchers say relaxing social distancing should occur only once it is understood why new infections of the disease are still being diagnosed in their thousands every day.

Such a rate means efforts to test and trace infected contacts – a key plank in the government’s anti-Covid strategy in coming months – would be quickly overwhelmed. Far more information is needed about the way the coronavirus is transmitted, they say. The new data will feed into the debate about the settings in which lockdown will be lifted first – for instance, whether it’s relatively safe to stage outdoor events.

And last week, several groups launched studies aimed at providing answers. These include projects to analyse how virus-laden aerosols behave in the air in a bid to understand how the disease is passed between humans. In addition, other schemes will target healthcare workers to investigate how the virus is being spread to them from patients and then on to others.

The importance of this latter approach was revealed in recent figures for cases of Covid-19 which have shown a drop in numbers of new cases in hospitals but reveal significant rises among health and social care workers.

This point was stressed by epidemiologist Anne Johnson at University College London. She said cutting transmissions of Covid-19 to health and social care workers had now emerged as a major priority. “Half of all new infections reported last week were among healthcare workers,” she told the Observer. “This has now become the leading edge of the spread of the disease.”

Lack of protective equipment and clothing may have worsened the situation, she added. “However, what is certain is that care workers are still at risk from their patients from whom they can pick up the virus and, in turn, pass it on to their colleagues, to their own families and possibly to other patients. We need to focus on limiting the spread of Covid-19 among health and social care workers as an absolute priority if we want to have a chance of bringing this epidemic to a halt.”

This view was backed by infectious diseases expert Tom Wingfield of the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine. “The numbers show that the rate of decline of new cases is slower in the UK than other European countries and that is likely to be down to transmission occurring within health and social care settings, transmission in the community despite social distancing and, to a lesser extent, chains of transmission that are still occurring within households, especially in larger households or shared accommodation.”

Last week, researchers at Bristol University launched a major study aimed at finding out precisely how health workers are being infected by the Covid-19 virus. “We have taken a group of 130 health workers and we are going to test them intensively over the next three months,” said Professor Adam Finn, the leader of the project.

“We will take swabs from them twice a week, take blood samples regularly, and catalogue their symptoms – in the expectation that some of them will become infected. Then we will be able to find out when they became infected; how that relates to their symptoms at the time; and how it relates to their immune response. We are going to uncover details of the disease’s natural history because none of this information is known in detail. On the other hand, it is vitally important if we are to understand how this disease behaves.”

Finn said current modelling of the disease – although superb – was based on assumptions. “Essentially, the models are guesswork about the way the virus behaves. To get rid of the guesswork we need to supply evidence about how the virus actually behaves.”

A different approach is being taken by another Bristol University group, led by chemist, Professor Jonathan Reid. His team is studying the way the Covid-19 virus is passed from one person to another. This happens when fairly large droplets are coughed up or sneezed out by infected people. However, it is also possible viruses may be spread by much smaller aerosol particles – although it is unclear if they can carry enough virus to be infectious.

“It is clearly important to find out because aerosols can travel much further than heavier droplets,” said Reid. His team has just constructed a high-containment, automated laboratory containing a device in which clouds of virus-laden aerosol particles can be suspended while researchers alter temperature, humidity, ozone, levels of sunlight and other variables.

“In this way we can study how the virus’s infectivity changes,” added Reid. “That might tell us if it is affected by heat. If it is there might be some seasonality to this epidemic. We could also get a better idea of how to run air conditioning in hospitals, care homes and public spaces – in terms of temperature or humidity – in order to reduce the lifetime of the virus so that exposure to it is reduced.”

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By:
Angoose
When: 03 May 20 09:41
Jenny Harries was specifically asked who the current new daily cases are at yesterdays press briefing and was unable or unwilling to provide answer.
By:
ericster
When: 03 May 20 11:01
I just saw a news article, could be fake news of course, on my yahoo home page.

"Millionaire launches legal challenge over lockdown".

What planet is HE posting from?
By:
Reynard
When: 03 May 20 11:05
Many of us are well aware that this lockdown contravenes our basic human rights and freedom of movement . The problem is a majority of us lack the financial clout to contest it .
Thank God for this man , whoever he is .
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 03 May 20 11:06
My name is Simon, and together with a few other like-minded souls, we are launching a legal challenge against the UK Govt Lockdown.

We believe that the Govt has acted illegally and disproportionately over the COVID 19 lockdown and we are taking action.

By forcing people to stay at home, and forcing businesses to close, they are, we believe, in contravention of basic Human Rights offered under English Law, that of the right to enjoy your property peacefully.

We can't do this without you and urgently need your support. We're going up against the government, so please contribute to our legal action now and most importantly share this page with your friends, family and on social media.

The lockdown has and will lead to devastating economic impact (massive unemployment, tax increases, closure of businesses, reduced tax receipts etc) It has, and will lead to far more deaths from suicide, undiagnosed conditions, untreated conditions - indeed far more than would have been potentially saved by the lockdown.

What we wish to achieve in bringing this case, is simply the freedom of individuals - the freedom to visit friends, freedom to earn a living, to socialise, in essence, the freedom of choice. That, of course, includes the freedom to stay inside - should you choose.



The “Letter before action” is a very detailed piece of work!



https://static.crowdjustice.com/group_claim_document/Letter_to_The_Rt_Hon_Matt_Hancock_MP_Secretary_of_State_for_Health__DgnuEzh.PDF
By:
John.W.Henry.
When: 03 May 20 11:08
I havent read it as yet there4 cannot comment. Just noticed a few were interested so looked it up
By:
ericster
When: 03 May 20 11:11

May 3, 2020 -- 11:05AM, Reynard wrote:


Many of us are well aware that this lockdown contravenes our basic human rights and freedom of movement . The problem is a majority of us lack the financial clout to contest it .Thank God for this man , whoever he is .


Do you really not mind gambling with people lives?

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 03 May 20 11:25
The evidence suggests 'lockdown' that we have makes relatively little difference to allowing people out as many times as they want, allowing all shops to open (to stop everyone going to same shops), allowing bars and restaurants to open with basic social distancing.
By:
1st time poster
When: 03 May 20 11:43
before these loons waste their money ,they need to get their head out of their arrises,the public don't want lockdown lifted so even if it were be a while before anything returns to anything like normal,unless doris and co starve people back to work,stop furlough msake it hard to get benefits etc,like trump in America and face the consequences if it goes belly up
By:
Racingqueen
When: 03 May 20 11:53
Finn said current modelling of the disease – although superb – was based on assumptions.


How can a supposed "expert" proclaim modelling as "Superb" yet in the same sentence state its based on assumptions and is basically guesswork with no proof that as to how accurate it is
By:
Baphornet
When: 03 May 20 11:54
UK lockdown must not be lifted until Covid-19 transmission is understood, say scientists

boffins petrified that their crust is being eaten away; the feckers would have ye locked up forever based on the above
By:
1st time poster
When: 03 May 20 12:03
from my own experience this generation as opposed to mine[ I,m 60] but their kids,family way above anything else,they leave work at a seconds notice if if their kids have as much as a headache, tory,s stuck because the 1st people they have to get on board to start unlock lockdown are all run by big public sector unions,the countries present darlings, their obviously going to nail this governments arris to the shoitehouse wall as this unwinds,cant blame really as this cabinet 4 months ago was btragging about nailing the big unions to the same shoithouse wall,taking another giant tory axe to so called red tape,mind you if the last tory axe to quango,s is anything to go by ,we,ll end up with more red tape, Laugh,
the people/groups who the brexiteers/torys considered history only 4 months ago are now holding all the cards
By:
MALAY
When: 03 May 20 20:48
stop the furlough and see how many don't want lockdown lifted ? I think the polls will change dramatically, furlough was a crazy policy, offering charlatans free money.
By:
Angoose
When: 03 May 20 20:54
What percentage of the working population are, in your opinion, charlatans ?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 May 20 21:04
We will lift the lockdown in stages.

I doubt they will understand transmission fully before it is fully kifted


If things go t1ts up we will lockdown again, probably in stages.


Sooner the better, as it becomes safe to do so.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 May 20 21:05
Fully lifted
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 May 20 21:07
If they work out how many lives are being saved by keeping cars off the road I can see a decent debate arising!
By:
Angoose
When: 03 May 20 21:10
And planes in the sky, and no drunken brawls outside boozers, and no drug dealing outside school gates ……...
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 03 May 20 21:17
Indeed
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 04 May 20 02:35
We cannot continue Lockdown indefinitely

Once the deaths drop to a reasonable level we must end it....

The virus will kill some...but those it does not kill will have herd immunity.
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