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Another pitiful attempt at a re-make. Policing has rarely been so “Progressive”. Or so wholly unconvincing.
All elements nicely in place :
1. The female Chief Commissioner of Police.
2. The female sidekick cop who is a lot more sharp and “cool” than her boring male boss VDV.
3. The black junior cop who is a lot better educated than the rest of the team.
4. The nasty white monocultural, right-wing, anti-immigration, WAAYYYYYCIST political party whose followers might be murdering the Lovely Passionate Lefty Progressive Activist boys, two of whom were (surprise surprise) in a homosexual relationship.
5. The sex-hungry, drug-taking, party-loving, female Coffee Shop worker who makes all the running with the males who take her fancy. Another Modern Telly fabrication that has become the norm.
I think it’s a definite 1.01 that the green-lighting of this execrable project was dependent on these above elements being present.
The only shock was the complete absence of any ‘Trans’ characters. Omitting them must surely constitute some sort of Modern Telly Drama Hate Crime?
Still, I’m sure there’s plenty of time for them to appear in subsequent episodes. Alas they will have to do so without my watching.
Dire and embarrassing. Nicolas Freeling must be turning in his grave.
1 out of 10, and that was for the delightful drug-detecting dog.
All elements nicely in place :
1. The female Chief Commissioner of Police.
2. The female sidekick cop who is a lot more sharp and “cool” than her boring male boss VDV.
3. The black junior cop who is a lot better educated than the rest of the team.
4. The nasty white monocultural, right-wing, anti-immigration, WAAYYYYYCIST political party whose followers might be murdering the Lovely Passionate Lefty Progressive Activist boys, two of whom were (surprise surprise) in a homosexual relationship.
5. The sex-hungry, drug-taking, party-loving, female Coffee Shop worker who makes all the running with the males who take her fancy. Another Modern Telly fabrication that has become the norm.
I think it’s a definite 1.01 that the green-lighting of this execrable project was dependent on these above elements being present.
The only shock was the complete absence of any ‘Trans’ characters. Omitting them must surely constitute some sort of Modern Telly Drama Hate Crime?
Still, I’m sure there’s plenty of time for them to appear in subsequent episodes. Alas they will have to do so without my watching.
Dire and embarrassing. Nicolas Freeling must be turning in his grave.
1 out of 10, and that was for the delightful drug-detecting dog.
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Completely agree, earlier this year I watched originals on Talking Pictures with Barry Foster, bit corny nowadays and definitely non PC (part of enjoyment) but much better than that effort the other night.
high blood pressure due to heavy snowflaking is said to be one of the most dangerous underlying conditions when it comes to covid-19, alun.
I didn't watch it alun and after reading your synopsis i most definitely will be swerving.Its got to the point where every new series(plus adverts come to that) HAS to have the "make up" as you describe...Oh how i long for non politically correct TV...doubt whether we will ever see the like again of truly funny comedies such as "Men behaving badly and Fools and Horse's.Having a strictly white cast just wouldn't be allowed.
Denzil was not a main character before someone mentions it.
Wasn't TV also politically correct, for its time, when homosexuality was banned, women served their role as housewives and blacks were all gangsters?
Mummy, there was a black man on telly. Can I have some milk please
blacks were all gangsters? edy
Not all...surely...
Homosexuality was legal then
But Barry Foster is safe
I never attempted to watch this rubbish...wisely it seems
Not all...surely...
Homosexuality was legal then
But Barry Foster is safe
I never attempted to watch this rubbish...wisely it seems
Its a good job eurovision was cancelled this year otherwise Sweden being represented by black women after a black man last year might have killed Alun off
Banned from TV, UBLE.
I'm simply saying TV always reflected what was "politically correct" at the time. This includes homosexuality being less represented than its real occurance (and if it was represented on TV, you saw them caricatured or shown as bizarre or something). Women were there as the sexy brainless sidekick or diligent housewife for the heroic white men and black people somehow were mostly criminals on TV.
I'm simply saying TV always reflected what was "politically correct" at the time. This includes homosexuality being less represented than its real occurance (and if it was represented on TV, you saw them caricatured or shown as bizarre or something). Women were there as the sexy brainless sidekick or diligent housewife for the heroic white men and black people somehow were mostly criminals on TV.
I was not criticising edy…..just observing
I wish the world was like that now...
I wish the world was like that now...
Apr 28, 2020 -- 11:42AM, aaronh wrote:
Its a good job eurovision was cancelled this year otherwise Sweden being represented by black women after a black man last year might have killed Alun off
Would he really have watched that known utterly PC rubbish with the lone intention of raging about it yet again?
Watching an episode of The Walking Dead the other day , my wife (not me ) said how ridiculous it was that there were umpteen brawls with petite women beating the cr@p out of blokes.
TV drama is almost entirely ruined these days by agendas and social engeneering diktats.
Thank goodness for Better Call Saul.......and the wonderful non PC Curb Your Enthusiasm
TV drama is almost entirely ruined these days by agendas and social engeneering diktats.
Thank goodness for Better Call Saul.......and the wonderful non PC Curb Your Enthusiasm
It shows how much we are programmed by the media when young...
We have changed the programming I do notice that....I am more comfortable with what I was brought up with
I think most of us are
We have changed the programming I do notice that....I am more comfortable with what I was brought up with
I think most of us are
Why isn't there realism in my programme about a zombie apocalypse
Most drug dealers on my estate are Black...but West Indian Mothers are wonderful... why are most of em SINGLE MOTHERS ??? you dont see that on these poxy pc sicko TV adverts....
Better call Saul is TV drama at its best.To those subscribing to Netflix i can highly recommend.
I live on a small estate. It sure how many acres
Bring back White Van Man der Valk.
Aaron and Edy would need heart by pass if Benny Hill was on or if they actually watched Curb Your Enthusiasm
A couple of Lentil soup virtue signallers who jumped on here to always say it happened in the past when that is totally different, Edy if your grandma had balls she would be your grandad?
A couple of Lentil soup virtue signallers who jumped on here to always say it happened in the past when that is totally different, Edy if your grandma had balls she would be your grandad?
Edy: When you were growing up in the DDR, were you close enough to the border to watch western TV?
Couldn't really care less about the PC aspect... it's modern telly so that's a given. What I thought was outrageous was the ridiculous storyline and plotting. If that is supposed to represent modern policing methods in Holland then they are truly finnish!
Thanks, edy. I wondered how you would be able to make a judgement on how women and black people were portrayed on western television before 1990 if you weren't able to see it.
I'm amazed that people are affronted by the fiction in fictional drama. Since when has chit-chat become such hysterical identitarians?
Don't really have to go to before 1990 to see what I described. There's also re-runs and storage media.
I'm amazed that people are affronted by the fiction in fictional drama. Since when has chit-chat become such hysterical identitarians?
When people want to parade their nasty prejudices!
That doesn't mean I get or got offended by it. Again, I'm merely amused by the snowflakes throwing hissy fits when TV has always been political and always served to portray things that were politically correct during the respective time.
Edy: If you rely on reruns and YouTube for pre-1990 TV, then you're going to see only the most egregious examples. You had to be a channel-hopping viewer of the time to understand what it was really like.
Here's an example: an ITV sitcom of the 1970s called Love Thy Neighbour. The theme was a black couple and a white couple living net door to each other. It's vilified now, and will never be shown again, because of the appalling language and attitudes of the white male characters in the series. BUT, it was the women (black and white) who were sensible, tolerant and sorted things out, while their menfolk bickered and ranted like children. And the it was the black male character who was well-spoken and wanted to get on in life (he voted Conservative). The women explicitly were not bimbos, and the black character was not a gangster.
The white men in their working-men's club, by contrast, were the ignorant, bigoted trades unionists.
This was one of the most popular shows on television at the time. You could write a whole book on how it reflected and influenced society. But it's been completely "disappeared" from history now.
As I said, be careful of making judgements on what the past was like on the basis only of later, selected aspects of it.
Here's an example: an ITV sitcom of the 1970s called Love Thy Neighbour. The theme was a black couple and a white couple living net door to each other. It's vilified now, and will never be shown again, because of the appalling language and attitudes of the white male characters in the series. BUT, it was the women (black and white) who were sensible, tolerant and sorted things out, while their menfolk bickered and ranted like children. And the it was the black male character who was well-spoken and wanted to get on in life (he voted Conservative). The women explicitly were not bimbos, and the black character was not a gangster.
The white men in their working-men's club, by contrast, were the ignorant, bigoted trades unionists.
This was one of the most popular shows on television at the time. You could write a whole book on how it reflected and influenced society. But it's been completely "disappeared" from history now.
As I said, be careful of making judgements on what the past was like on the basis only of later, selected aspects of it.
You are also just providing anecdotal evidence of a single TV show and I don't think it really invalidates my comment on the overall picture, and that the thread starters just wants his own nostalgic bizarro pc TV world back. Especially also taking his posting history into account, which you might not be familiar with.
Just read his opening post. He wants his politically correct world where women and minorities know their friggin' place.
Just read his opening post. He wants his politically correct world where women and minorities know their friggin' place.
I think he just wants a world where people are judged and portrayed primarily according to their characters and abilities rather than their gender, skin colour or sexuality.
Dude had a huge meltdown this year last time when a black man represented Sweden in the ESC, as aaronh hinted earlier. Alun ain't exactly colourblind.
Hysterical identitarians are obsessed with gender, skin colour [and] sexuality
exactly, his entire posts centers around how people with certain genders, skin colours and sexuality dare even be mentioned, have certain jobs or characteristics.
Edy, the objection to identitarian drama isn't the presence of characters of varying genders, skin colours or sexuality. It's the way their actions, abilities and motivations are divorced from their characters. You just end up with an artificial mess of contradictions.
The female sidekick is sharper and "cooler" than van der Valk, the implication being that he's only her boss on account of being white and male. Yet van der Valk's boss is herself female. So why hasn't the sidekick been promoted too? There's evidently no prejudice in this police force.
The programme makers want to portray women both as powerful figures able to rise to the top and as downtrodden figures held back by the patriarchy. It just looks like characters being shoehorned into roles for the sake of making didactic points rather than telling a story.
The female sidekick is sharper and "cooler" than van der Valk, the implication being that he's only her boss on account of being white and male. Yet van der Valk's boss is herself female. So why hasn't the sidekick been promoted too? There's evidently no prejudice in this police force.
The programme makers want to portray women both as powerful figures able to rise to the top and as downtrodden figures held back by the patriarchy. It just looks like characters being shoehorned into roles for the sake of making didactic points rather than telling a story.
Maybe she's only sharper and cooler because alun wants her to be so he has more to be hysterical about.
Oh my, hysterical identitarians don't even see themselves as hysterical identitarians! Hillarious!
I think you and alun are just looking for different things from their drama, depending on what you grew up with.
He wants a plausible story. You're looking for education.
He wants a plausible story. You're looking for education.
I'm not looking for education in drama, and I also don't heavily overthink drama and potential movitations of the creators. I'm just not a Hysterical Harry.
Excellent stuff as ever from Alun2005 
I've got this recorded but after reading this most informative thread, I think I'll free up some much needed space on the hard drive.
Then again, I'm wrestling with idea of giving it a blast, just so I'll be able to contribute to the thread, but there'll undoubtedly
be a mental price to pay with raised blood pressure...and inevitable tedium.
Not to mention a forum ban if I post my observations after downing a few - I'll pass
I've got this recorded but after reading this most informative thread, I think I'll free up some much needed space on the hard drive.
Then again, I'm wrestling with idea of giving it a blast, just so I'll be able to contribute to the thread, but there'll undoubtedly
be a mental price to pay with raised blood pressure...and inevitable tedium.
Not to mention a forum ban if I post my observations after downing a few - I'll pass
When tv or films are agenda driven they insult intelligence and lose credibility.
It can often be so obvious it’s painful. A classic example is Hollywood’s boundless attempts to portray America as great and the rest of the world evil. It becomes tiresome.
It can often be so obvious it’s painful. A classic example is Hollywood’s boundless attempts to portray America as great and the rest of the world evil. It becomes tiresome.
dunno, people seem to have bought a lot into how great and good America is
dont worry .. the good old bbc just mentioned the name Stephen Lawrence as per every week
Apr 28, 2020 -- 5:17PM, woundedknee wrote:
Strange they never mention soldier Rigby
Or Kriss Donald etc etc
alun, it was f--kin pathetic, I think I lasted 12 minutes, cheers.
Apparently if you point out the origins of these narratives you are an identitarian or you have nasty prejudices. I guess it is easier to virtue signal than it is to actually do some research.
not at all but freaks who talk about cultural marxism and THE JEWS!!! certainly are
Its easy to see why we the citizens of the uk are such pushovers. Lots of spineless mugs who refuse to call a spade a spade.
Apr 28, 2020 -- 7:13PM, ffaith wrote:
Its easy to see why we the citizens of the uk are such pushovers.
Apr 28, 2020 -- 6:29PM, ffaith wrote:
Apparently if you point out the origins of these narratives you are an identitarian or you have nasty prejudices. I guess it is easier to virtue signal than it is to actually do some research.
>Huh? You just complained in your 6:29 PM BST post that people called a spade a spade. Now you bemoan that people don't do it? Make your mind up!
The whole thing about tv dramas is that the characters should be sympathetic, in the sense that the viewer can identify with them in some way. As the world changes so does tv drama.
But then again there’s always been good and bad.
But then again there’s always been good and bad.
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