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26 Apr 20
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genuine question which needs to be asked imo
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From the bbc just now...
Mr Eustice is asked if when the prime minister is back at work he will follow the first ministers of Scotland and Wales in publishing a lockdown exit plan.
Mr Eustice is asked if when the prime minister is back at work he will follow the first ministers of Scotland and Wales in publishing a lockdown exit plan.
There's a very bizarre dichotomy of some people being extremely concerned about the number of people still being killed by the virus in hospitals, care homes etc, but are also desperate to know when and how exactly the various lock down measures will be unwound. I suggest that they will find out the strategy for beginning to unwind the measures before they actually occur.
Some of the population are able to simultaneously contemplate multiple information sets.
Some are also beginning to break the lock down measures also, as the data speaks to, and don't need much of an excuse to take more chances. Just because I'm sensible and rational doesn't mean I ascribe those traits to 50+ million others.
i wonder when the buffoon pulls up at work tomorrow,the car doors all fall off and about 10 of his gang jump out the car before it goes on fire?
Thank goodness we have the Scottish and Welsh governments leading from the front, someone has to.
You've still not been able to quote a decision made by the first minister that had any jeopardy. Not a link to fluff and filler btw, a tangible decision that had consequences.
The bbc think they have been taking the lead. Boris and his sheep might follow eventually.
Thank feck for Leo Varadkar,twice the man Boris could ever be.
Apr 26, 2020 -- 6:13PM, lapsy pa wrote:
Thank feck for Leo Varadkar,twice the man Boris could ever be.
True.
must say that mark drakeford wales has been pretty good
Ireland 4.904 million
UK 66.65 million
so similar
the fact that London alone is double the population of Ireland, all squeezed into a densely populated city with about 30 times the amount of international travel has nothing to do with any differences
UK 66.65 million
so similar
the fact that London alone is double the population of Ireland, all squeezed into a densely populated city with about 30 times the amount of international travel has nothing to do with any differences
Apr 26, 2020 -- 6:26PM, Cider wrote:
Ireland 4.904 million UK 66.65 million so similar the fact that London alone is double the population of Ireland, all squeezed into a densely populated city with about 30 times the amount of international travel has nothing to do with any differences
Is the point you are making, the bigger the country, the bigger the fanny the leader is?
Nah Cider,himself and Simon Coveney ran rings around ye in brexitgate,locked the country down early.
Leo has been very very careful not to catch this and advocates not shaking hands with any one that has it.
Hold on that's 3 times the man.
Leo has been very very careful not to catch this and advocates not shaking hands with any one that has it.
Hold on that's 3 times the man.
So glad Boris is back tomorrow. The country needs a strong leader. He has been sorely missed.
The previous administrations were crap at brexit, I'll give you that but we've got the right team on it now. We won't know who has handled the crisis for years, but crippling a little economy like Ireland a bit earlier is not really comparable to a G7 member's actions.
Thing with Ireland though they were prepared to cripple their economy but putting its citizens first and foremost,end result will be everyones economy is crippled but to put your hand on your heart and able to say you done your best for your citizens is a different matter.
Short term gain for long term pain? As I've repeatedly posted, the overall detriment of the virus is much further reaching than simply counting the number deaths directly attributable to covid 19. It's not hard to comprehend, or at least it shouldn't be.
Ireland went into this with a cash surplus.
Not many can say that...
Not many can say that...
Bojo has followed the scientific advice throughout. If it all proves a horlicks, blame the "experts".
I understand you Cider, long term gain for short term pain? Twice the death rate of next in Europe,economy shut down longer than those who acted quicker,that plan unfortunately seems to be working, i don't know where the gain you expect will come because it won't.
Bozo is going to show us how strong he's come back tomorrow with a few arm wrestling contests to get the ball rolling again
said last week doris is like that 50 million Italian striker on the treatment table ,that your missing,till he returns and you remember before he was on treatment table ,he hadn't scored in 30 games and couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo
Around half a million people die in the UK every year on average. Many of those being killed by covid 19 would have been in that 500K this year anyway, around 60% of them. Recessions kill more people early, indirectly. We won't know the full toll, or who handled it best overall for several years.
Did he shake the hands of all of the staff upon arrival ?
Carrie getting beaten up as we speak, laptops smashed and red wine thrown about on furniture.
Rishi banging on wall saying he will have to call the police.
Apr 26, 2020 -- 7:07PM, Akak wrote:
What a silly question.
Why silly, he was proudly telling the nation that he chased COVID-19 patients around a hospital to shake their hands just over a month ago.
It was a good idea then, he may think that it is a good idea now.
Unless this virus originated from Boris Johnstone then he has no case to answear
shaking hands,swigging Dettol, singing you cant touch me now,ive got immunity, I think
You know its silly. It goes against government advice. You may have achieved a few chuckles. Well done.
Boris approval rating in latest poll down 10 in three weeks.
Apr 26, 2020 -- 7:16PM, Akak wrote:
You know its silly. It goes against government advice. You may have achieved a few chuckles. Well done.
But he did it, didn't he.
Was that a display of great leadership ?
He did, and no doubt regrets it now. Just as Jeremy Corbyn our would be great leader,probably regrets shaggin Dianne Abbott. 
Do you think that he will publicly state that he regrets running round a hospital shaking the hands of infected COVID-19 patients ?
Admitting that you were wrong, admitting that you have made mistakes, now that's leadership.
It's tremendous you can remotely detect exactly how someone caught the virus, most definitely a spot for you in the 18K contact tracing team.
Jeremy would know about that, would he? Its all the fault of Brexit!!!!!
I have made no claim as to where Johnson became infected.
I have, however, pointed out his some of his behaviours.
I have, however, pointed out his some of his behaviours.
deffo hard to trace in doris,s case
shaking hands with corona patients
sneaking off to see his mum on mothers day
attending twickers with 70,000 others from all over the country
sat with Nadine dorris in commons
attending champagne reception with Nadine
partying down the pub with stanly,
the lists endless
shaking hands with corona patients
sneaking off to see his mum on mothers day
attending twickers with 70,000 others from all over the country
sat with Nadine dorris in commons
attending champagne reception with Nadine
partying down the pub with stanly,
the lists endless
So you know for sure he was not wearing the appropriate PPE on his visit to meet victims of the virus in hospital?
if he hadn't caught it ,should have asked for his money back no one tried harder,deserved it more
Apr 26, 2020 -- 7:37PM, Cider wrote:
So you know for sure he was not wearing the appropriate PPE on his visit to meet victims of the virus in hospital?
Again, I have made no claims as to what he was wearing.
I have pointed out what we himself wished to tell the nation, that he proudly shook hands with infected COVID-19 patients in a hospital.
Listen to him for yourself .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTJjBeAyHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTJjBeAyHU
He expected us to be pleased to know that he was shaking hands with everybody.
Were you pleased Cider ?
Were you pleased Cider ?
You're claiming that it was a mistake and wrong. If he was wearing PPE, I'm claiming it wasn't. Since neither us knows, you're just guessing.
And it was Akak who stated that Johnson will likely view it as an error.
A leader visiting victims of a virus and not treating them as lepers, yeah I'm fine with that. But, it's wholly irrelevant now.
Ya won't have Leo telling de country shure i was out ther shaking the hands of the coronavirus victims,everyone could have been out looking to shake hands with them with that kinda carry on.
Cider you are saying you don't know whether he was wearing PPE but you're defending him for shaking peoples' hands. Where is your logic coming from?
So irrelevant that you've spent 20 minutes posting on a forum about it ?
I'm watching tv and spending a handful of seconds posting responses on a forum thread.
OP, I think that would be too impertinent a question to ask someone just back from possible death door. Maybe ask if he's satisfied and happy with the performance of his motley crew whilst in hospital and convalescing?
I'm saying it's totally irrelevant Charlie, unless people know he wasn't taking precautions and wearing advised PPE, and they don't.
It's not irrelevant as he passed the message that it was ok to shake hands with covid infected people and, hence, people in general. We know that was wrong.
Not sure if that was directed at me but if so when he said he would go on shaking peoples' hands. The most damning thing is he caught it so he wasn't, shall we say, following government advice.
Tbf it was Trump comparing it with Flu so i was wronging him there.
Cider what can Boris do now and what you want him to do?
Cider what can Boris do now and what you want him to do?
It was on 3 March that he was happily telling the world that he would continue to shake people by the hand.
So it's not relevant now, I'd say the covid story and the world has moved on somewhat.
Cider
That's a pretty banal reply after arguing he may have been wearing PPE and so was ok. Why bother doing so?
The only true fact is he fcked up. Again.
That's a pretty banal reply after arguing he may have been wearing PPE and so was ok. Why bother doing so?
The only true fact is he fcked up. Again.
Could be an interesting line of defence in future criminal trials though.
I'm saying nobody knows on here if he was or wasn't wearing PPE for a hospital visit nearly two months ago. I'm saying that the situation now is not the same as it was then. I'm saying changes nothing either way. It only bothers the type of people that would clip it into a you tube video after announcing he was tested positive, in some kind of 'gotcha' effort.
The Mail On Sunday revealed the source of his infection several weeks ago.
Cider
You seem to be ignoring what happened and the effect it had. You can't just dismiss it as if it never occurred. It may not suit your agenda but it was a big mistake. You're trying to defend the indefensible and not making a good job of it.
You seem to be ignoring what happened and the effect it had. You can't just dismiss it as if it never occurred. It may not suit your agenda but it was a big mistake. You're trying to defend the indefensible and not making a good job of it.
dont know why the clown fans cant just say the clown cocked up again
Perhaps PM's should be legally exempted from scrutiny and public criticism.
It would make their job so much easier.
It would make their job so much easier.
He was spreading the message that social contact was ok. It wasn't. Thousands of people have died because of his stupidity.
Just for perspective
3 March
A female in the east of the country, who travelled here from northern Italy, was confirmed as the second case of coronavirus in Ireland.
At the briefing on this new case, Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan said he saw no reason why, as things stood, that the St Patrick's Day festival should not go ahead.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0320/1124382-covid-19-ireland-timeline/
UK had 50 odd cases at this point.
3 March
A female in the east of the country, who travelled here from northern Italy, was confirmed as the second case of coronavirus in Ireland.
At the briefing on this new case, Chief Medical Officer Tony Holohan said he saw no reason why, as things stood, that the St Patrick's Day festival should not go ahead.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0320/1124382-covid-19-ireland-timeline/
UK had 50 odd cases at this point.
That the western world was under-estimating the threat of the virus at that point, not just Ireland.
As you're just after timing, using knowledge that wasn't around at the time, to somehow implicate Boris. Unless you're holding every single government that has had a covid 19 positive death as personally responsible.
Apr 26, 2020 -- 9:10PM, Cider wrote:
As you're just after timing, using knowledge that wasn't around at the time, to somehow implicate Boris. Unless you're holding every single government that has had a covid 19 positive death as personally responsible.
That is nonsense. There was information around at the time but doris chose to do nothing.
So you seen my post from Ireland on 3rd of March, are you saying their government is equally responsible for deaths since they said there was no reason social gathering should not go ahead.
Bozo, doris has no control over Ireland so what's the obsession?
I think that now he has accepted that past actions don’t become irrelevant simply through the passage of time, finding others who made mistakes somehow diminishes the mistakes of those you worship.
Sturgeon and Macron are two leaders who are prepared to admit that they made mistakes.
The UK government are not.
Instead, they continue to hide behind the line that they “took the right measures at the right time”.
We’ll hear that line many more times before this crisis is through.
The UK government are not.
Instead, they continue to hide behind the line that they “took the right measures at the right time”.
We’ll hear that line many more times before this crisis is through.
Ireland offically "stopped" the parades on 9th of March,between 3rd to the 9th various towns and cities were dropping out.
Cheltenham went ahead on 10th of March
Football matches UK were going ahead.
The tubes were rammed until 20th of March
Cheltenham went ahead on 10th of March
Football matches UK were going ahead.
The tubes were rammed until 20th of March
Apr 26, 2020 -- 9:20PM, Charlie wrote:
Bozo, doris has no control over Ireland so what's the obsession?
Cider seems equally obsessed by Scotland. I don't get it.
https://twitter.com/Saffiya_Khan1/status/1252301244154220545?s=20
People were shaking hands well into march!
Listen to the advice on this video from one of the top medical officers.
Why are the government getting the blame when it should be them being held to account?
People were shaking hands well into march!
Listen to the advice on this video from one of the top medical officers.
Why are the government getting the blame when it should be them being held to account?
Piss poor punter obsessed with sturgeon, he must have a fetish for ugly dwarf women who like to dress in boy's school uniforms.
A proper wrong in
A proper wrong in
No matter how much the lefty incel toerags rage, your lot ain't getting back into govt for a long long long time
the info was around at the time about the virus
boris the clown decided his advisors knew better and made a big thing
of shaking hands with folk with virus and went on to announce he would
continue to do so.
it was a photo op and attempt to influence his gullible minions,
afterall they would defend him even if it went wrong.
how did it go?
why are folk reluctant to admit he was silly?
boris the clown decided his advisors knew better and made a big thing
of shaking hands with folk with virus and went on to announce he would
continue to do so.
it was a photo op and attempt to influence his gullible minions,
afterall they would defend him even if it went wrong.
how did it go?
why are folk reluctant to admit he was silly?
He said on the video that he thinks there were covid patients in the hospital
He then talks about washing hands and refers to the medical guy who does not state that shaking hands is unacceptable
He then talks about washing hands and refers to the medical guy who does not state that shaking hands is unacceptable
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