596

so thats 28, 000 rising

My father , in lockdown for 4 weeks along with my mother in total isolation , was admitred to hospital on Monday with a serious heart problem (89 yrs old with 2 previous cardiac arrests) . A swab taken by a paramedic before he left the house was tested and on Friday we were told it was COVID-19 positive . He was critically ill and we were told to expect the worse . He has responded well to treatment and an hour ago we received a call telling us that , provided he doesn't relapse , he will be able to return home . Would this be correct procedure if he had coronavirus given the fact that my mother is 86 and is classed as 'at risk' ? Of course not !
Basically , he was diagnosed as positive so that in the event he passed away with heart failure he would be added to the "with coronavirus" statistic that you and others keep churning out . If we really were in the midst of a COVID-19 pandemic there would be absolutely no need to bump up the figures the way they have been .
Conclusion : It is highly unlikely that there is a coronavirus pandemic

Let's hope that your father makes a full recovery.

Reynard

Don't waste your breath with goosey, he's a melon who's either getting off on this or he has shares in Billys vaccine

The coming financial meltdown will kill waaaaay more than this virus could dream off

The nightingale hospitals are for that in my honest opinion

i found it strange how they predicted after big numbers in london area, which i understood due to the dense population, they were then expecting it to travel north and them areas would see drastic rises. is it airbourne?

Bizarrely they seem desperate for more cases to try and explain why they have gone to the extreme lengths they have.

Trashing the economy and wrecking a generations pensions for a few deaths amongst the elderly with underlying health issues is not a good selling point to future electorates is it?

Thank you , Angoose . If he is able to go home on Tuesday , as we have been advised , just 4 days after a positive COVID-19 diagnosis this flies in the face of what we are being told re:quarantine . If he really has coronavirus this would be irresponsible , if he doesn't have it then they are returning false test results . Furthermore , if he does/did have it after a month in isolation in a very secluded house (which he remained inside throughout with zero contact with anybody other than my mother) then this lockdown/social distancing malarky is an absolute waste of time !

I think they are desperate for something, maybe civil unrest and riots, they seem quite hell bent on it you might say

That way this whole charade gets hidden

What I will say is I don't they will get it I think people are capable of looking after themselves, this whole thing has proved we can survive without governments in my opinion, they've been about as much use as a condom with holes in it

Please explain , Angoose , cos I'm at a complete loss for an explanation and I'm getting sick and tired of all this bollox

Reynard good to hear your father is making progress. It certainly does sound ridiculous that he could be home if he's tested positive.
They should test him again surely.

Don't Reynard

They are wanting anger and rage, they want civil unrest

The BBC are back to recycling how to wash your hands properly

Why test him for something that doesn't even exist ? I've said right from the outset that , in my opinion , there was NO VIRUS . My father has inadverdently provided me with evidential proof.



















































s . My father has inadvertently provided the evidential proof .
antly

oops

Thanks @clacton

Rey

I think they want us to know its utter turd

We can all get ill and they are basically making this an 18 months thing because chances are 90% of us will get a cold of some sort during that period

Its obvious ffs

But just sit tight and let them get on with it

Reaction causes the solution remember that

They are desperate because they've sent the likes of David Beckham out to hijack the clapping and tom moore side shows

Apr 19, 2020 -- 6:05PM, Reynard wrote:

Please explain , Angoose , cos I'm at a complete loss for an explanation and I'm getting sick and tired of all this bollox

Reynard, I don't want to inadvertently make any comments that may come across as insensitive on the subject given that your father is in hospital.
Just repeat my best wishes for his recovery.

Appreciated , Angoose , but surely you can offer up some sort of explanation , insensitive or otherwise , to account for the weeks events . If all these statistics and charts you keep regurgitating on here include false results then you are complicit in this international conspiracy , for surely there is no other way to define it .

Sontaran - Either you are correct with regard to your theory relating to civil unrest (I believed from the start that it was all about Social Control by way of government 'Ruling by Fear') or it is all part of some global cover up . With regard to the latter I've been rather dismissive of all this 5g stuff but I have to confess that I'm considering it as a possibility .

Reynard,

I wish your father well.

Just like to make the point, that in the UK, as far as I'm aware, there's no dispute that if a person dies from a particular condition but also tests positive for COVID-19, they will be included in the stats.

This is not the case in Germany.

I am not in a position to comment on the specific case of your father.

However, in broader terms as regards whether the virus actually exists, it would be the biggest conspiracy of all time if it didn't.
Just way too many people who understand these things way better than I do who have studied the virus and confirm that it exists for it not to.

Lots of strange things going on in the world, but we are not watching a live version of Capricorn One unfold before our eyes.

Thank you @i_agree_with_nick

I'd like to know how an outside invader can do what its doing to the human body without having to enter the bloodstream to do its thing

If you get a thorn stuck in your foot guess what? it can stay there for weeks and cause no problem other than a bit of swelling, that's the bodies way of blocking it off and telling you to get it out, but you can leave it until the swelling becomes annoying, or the swelling basically aids in pushing it out almost itself. You don't get infections until it enters the bloodstream, hence why the body has multiple lines of defence

And IAWN they are adding them in, "888 more people die WITH covid-19"

Its all in the details mate, all in the details.

Goose its a piece of p*** to pull it off, done badly but it is a piece of pi**, people will believe in it for a while because they can't see it, but fear will turn to anger when they start to realise they could be getting hoodwinked, right now people are about past the fear stage trust me, they are starting to question it

Reynard, hope you're Dad gets better. Are you going to allow him to stay with your Mother if he's released on Tuesday?

your

Nick - that’s been confirmed in this article:     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783



To what extent is coronavirus shortening lives?
This is extremely hard to judge.
Nick Stripe, head of health analysis at the ONS, said understanding what the deaths from coronavirus meant was "difficult and challenging".
He pointed out the risk of dying from heart disease and strokes had fallen, which could suggest they were dying from coronavirus instead of other things.

How many of 596 had an underlying illness these figures are nonsensical and pointless

SS, That's what I'm saying - they are included in the COVID-19 stats in the UK and as far as I'm aware, this has been acknowldged.

In Germany, they're not which goes some way to explaining their low death rate.

In excess of 90% is the usual rate.

"SS, That's what I'm saying - they are included in the COVID-19 stats in the UK and as far as I'm aware, this has been acknowldged.

In Germany, they're not which goes some way to explaining their low death rate."

Or you could say they provide accurate figures and ours are inflated.

If it exists then how come the 'victims' have inconsistent symptoms ? My father had difficulty breathing , not unusual with a heart attack , yet had no fever , no sore throat , no loss of taste/smell , no flu-like symptoms .
Apparently when they test they test for genetic material (which is present in >90% of us) because they haven't been able to isolate the 'virus'

Cheers @lurka . Yeah , he's gonna go back and transmit this coronavirus that they said he had on Friday to his 86 yr-old wife ! For the last 7 days it was deemed unsafe for her to visit him in hospital , potentially to say goodbye after 65 years together , but it's perfectly fine to share a bed back home . All the proof us doubters require !

This thread is better than watching the Trump cheerleading whackos on Fox News

Reynard, it's either fake or it's not. If it's fake why wouldn't they keep him in past Tuesday?
Sounds like there's a chance the hospital have f'd up here. And whether it's fake or not, not a risk I would take with people of that age for what will be a matter of days of further isolation from your Mother to remove that risk entirely.

So duffy who do you think records figures accurately us or Germany?

Apr 19, 2020 -- 6:47PM, Dotchinite wrote:

So duffy who do you think records figures accurately us or Germany?

Angoose does it . Collates it all on the back of an envelope

New technology is accused (by some scientists) of causing breathing difficulties, where the body is unable to absorb oxygen.

I’ve no idea if electromagnetic waves have the power to do this or not. But the shutdown of any and all voices questioning this is a worry.

SS - yes. If the ONS are right to say stroke and heart disease deaths are falling, there must be a clear overlap in the stats. I should think this also applies to cancer and other very serious complaints.

I’m still shocked by 2017-18 excess winter mortality of 50 100

But the shutdown of any and all voices questioning this is a worry.

It just adds to the suspicion and going over the top using the law and censorship, what do they think they are going to achieve?

Injera • April 19, 2020 6:54 PM BST
SS - yes. If the ONS are right to say stroke and heart disease deaths are falling, there must be a clear overlap in the stats. I should think this also applies to cancer and other very serious complaints.

Wakey wakey ...............................

Anyone got a link to show that deaths with underlying health conditions are not recorded as Covid-19 deaths in Germany? First I've heard of that tbh. I know they don't test post-mortem, unlike Italy, but neither do most countries.

For those married to German way of moving forward, they have banned all events, public gatherings, sports events with public in attendance until at least September, hell, yes, let's follow the Germans

Old people die of stroke, heart disease, cancer and Covid-19. Of course there's an overlap in the stats. You can't die twice. It would be unusual if those deaths weren't falling.

Very sensible..

That wasnt my question duffy.

Only a couple of months since we rid ourselves of German influence . Can't believe there are still folk looking to 'em for guidance

I know nobody who's had it . All my friends and family (many living in London)know nobody who's had it . Surely if it was that bad I would have heard of one case ?

Apr 19, 2020 -- 6:27PM, i_agree_with_nick wrote:

Reynard,I wish your father well.Just like to make the point, that in the UK, as far as I'm aware, there's no dispute that if a person dies from a particular condition but also tests positive for COVID-19, they will be included in the stats.This is not the case in Germany.

Can you give a source for that?

As far as I am aware, every person that tested positive in Germany and then dies (before having been declared cured from the virus), will be included in the deaths in relation to covid-19. What Germany doesn't necessarily do, unlike e.g Italy, is to test people post mortem.

Apr 19, 2020 -- 7:11PM, eyeball wrote:

I know nobody who's had it . All my friends and family (many living in London)know nobody who's had it . Surely if it was that bad I would have heard of one case ?

That's because nobody has had it . You can't have what don't exist . They only test people who've been admitted to hospital and automatically tell 'em they've got it

the whole point of the Lockdown is spreading out the Infection ,Bar some unforeseen circumstance

the NHS will deal with the Current figures ,We know unless a vaccine the Virus will still be here

For years ,18000 is not good but could be a lot worse Considering it was 9000 2 weeks back ..

It was 24,000 a couple of years ago

Apr 19, 2020 -- 6:40PM, Reynard wrote:

If it exists then how come the 'victims' have inconsistent symptoms ? My father had difficulty breathing , not unusual with a heart attack , yet had no fever , no sore throat , no loss of taste/smell , no flu-like symptoms .Apparently when they test they test for genetic material (which is present in >90% of us) because they haven't been able to isolate the 'virus' Cheers @lurka . Yeah , he's gonna go back and transmit this coronavirus that they said he had on Friday to his 86 yr-old wife ! For the last 7 days it was deemed unsafe for her to visit him in hospital , potentially to say goodbye after 65 years together , but it's perfectly fine to share a bed back home . All the proof us doubters require !

The fact they are saying its peaking and the curve has flattened is a red flag in itself

How can a pandemic, whereby you've tested well under 2m people be "flattening"?

Surely we'd see mass deaths by now, far to controlled

But there's something suspicious going on, like they are making it this bad and obvious on purpose, people are going to get peeved more and more

They want the civil unrest, whatever agenda I don't know, maybe its to test their frequency technology?

Once people see that they ain't going to kick off again trust me, and then its "bye bye rights", and "now you do as we facking tell you"

Riots wont work, the tech they have is way beyond our imagination

Apr 19, 2020 -- 7:16PM, Reynard wrote:

Apr 19, 2020 --  6:11PM, eyeball wrote:I know nobody who's had it . All my friends and family (many living in London)know nobody who's had it . Surely if it was that bad I would have heard of one case ?That's because nobody has had it . You can't have what don't exist . They only test people who've been admitted to hospital and automatically tell 'em they've got it

Many other countries test outside of hospitals.

Yet its a pandemic edy ?

Testing doesn't stop deaths? if it did we'd have a much smaller cancer death rate ffs

Germany has less than 4000 deaths, South Korea even less than that

So testing stops the deaths?

Testing prevents deaths as it will reduce people unknowingly spreading it to the most vulnerable.

But they could have been carrying it for days before testing? A week even

I should have explained better . My sister in law works as a nurse in a and e so she has witnessed people testing positive and deaths . That is the only person who has had contact with a case .

That's why I said "reduce", not "eliminate"

lockdown is a form of mass testing its not the testing that saves lives but the a quarenteen  that follows,without the lockdown deaths would still be doubling every 2,3 days, cases ,deaths will rise again when restrictions are lifted

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really ?

Germany has way fewer deaths but more cases, it doesn't show that we are attributing too many deaths to Covid-19, it shows that their system, i.e. a far better delivery of PPE, public adhering to the rules better etc etc in short, how they do it is all conducive to keeping more people alive.

Apr 19, 2020 -- 7:28PM, eyeball wrote:

I should have explained better . My sister in law works as a nurse in a and e so she has witnessed people testing positive and deaths . That is the only person who has had contact with a case .

How old were they eyeball? and did they have underlying health conditions ?

Sorry ,I would be guessing but if the figures can be believed they talk for themselves .

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1251891501036113927

Oh my who couldn't have forseen this ?

I said this would be rolled out when it was Labour pushing it

120,00 roughly tested positive why would you expect to no someone , and it could turn out you no 2,3,4, people who,ve got it,had it but didn't nno,
if you were one of these young bravehearts no reason to tell anyone ,early on it would get you isolated for 14 days whilst doris was still telling your mates to party

Free internet will be a thing anyway, we're all going to need it for the internet of things

So wasn't really a bold prediction ffs

We'll soon be out of the days where it was kinda fun to have it

Now its a necessity and without it you can't function in the brave new world

Sad times

In the week ending 4 April, 132 laboratories across Germany carried out an average of 116,655 swab tests per day.

Here though:

The aim to do 25,000 tests a day within four weeks was first announced on 18 March. Four weeks later on 15 April (yesterday) 18,665 tests were performed, with 13,839 people tested. The number of tests has not surpassed 25,000 on any single day, meaning the government has missed that target.

The government could still meet its more vague “mid-April” or “mid to late April” targets to achieve 25,000 tests per day.

Consider the enormous gulf between the amount of tests that Germany have carried out more than us, the relative fewer positives they have compared to us and the huge fewer deaths than us.

This is why we desperately need to adhere to the lockdown, because we can't keep people alive through this, if we release the lock down, with all the drawbacks our NHS has to deal with in this country, people will die needlessly because our NHS won't cope as the inevitable increase comes.

Lockdown is a complete and utter waste of time .

I wish our Health system was as efficient as the German one. And that our covid Death rate was as low as their's.

We all do Des..but we voted these idiots into power and now we are paying  a terrible price.

Lockdown is a waste of time because no one truly believes in this and are still venturing out

When you break it down its still only affecting the elderly who have underlying health conditions anyway

I think people know its next to nothing even if its legit

The shutdown has been utterly pathetic from day 1, even Boris knew it was and decided to play ill for a few weeks, I think he could be on his way out soon because there's no way he wants anything to do with this

They just simpley can't stop scoring own goals ffs

China have not reported half the symptoms we seem to be getting told

"the virus rampages through the body, from brain to toes"... They are taking the utter pis*

Forget the difference in death rates between us and germany and whether the causes of death are being accurately recorded.

What you can't argue with and what does raise an eyebrow is the relative small difference between positive tests when you consider the huge amount of more tests that Germany have carried out, you'd assume that their positives would be far higher.

I mean we're getting told today its affecting kidney function, they are just adding in all known diseases and passing them of as covid

Its disgraceful

SS so those 56 health workers were just unlucky or next to nothing ffs man show some compassion
nobody likes the lockdown but it is what it is and at the end of this people will be able to judge

What has people venturing out and claiming that they are happy to get on with things and get back down the pub isn't anything to do with the figures, infection rates or whether we are over-reacting etc etc etc it's down to something entirely different, consider this,

Imagine that instead of a dry cough, loss of sense of taste and smell, headache.

was replaced with, convulsions, internal bleeding, vomiting

But the mortality rate was still the exact same as it is now, would there still be the same laissez-faire approach that some promote now?

I don't think so, the truth is that the symptoms aren't scary enough!! but this flags up just what a smart little fooker this virus is.

Sort of agree there Duffy but think there other factors.

Some poor information from authorities in the beginning, some deliberate misinformation from "alternative sources ".
The death rate is in that range where it is serious enough to kill far too many but not so high that some people would like to take their chances in a pub or watching horse racing.

I know a family (parents in 40s children at secondary school) who had it and basically not that I'll. They won't appear on any stats as policy is not to test any of them.

We are still having over 5000 people dying each week in UK. This needs to drop a lot & that seems unlikely to happen in this 3 week lockdown.

Spain 4,258 cases 1464 deaths..open the economy.

Showing as 1,195 deaths, no additional information as yet, likely there will be some form of catch up from care homes in those figures.

Absolutely no idea where gigg as got that figure from

I think some numbers are plucked from thin air

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/19/coronavirus-live-news-europe-deaths-approach-100000-as-us-looks-to-lift-restrictions

Yet this site has it listed to a one month low ffs

Wherever he's got that figure from I have no idea

As I've said its far to controlled in the numbers

Controlled spread, controlled death rate, controlled cases curve, controlled slowing of cases, controlled declining ICU patients and deaths

Angoose 19 Apr 20 21:51 
Showing as 1,195 deaths, no additional information as yet, likely there will be some form of catch up from care homes in those figures..

Not looking like going away anytime soon though,weeks of this yet..

Figures now adjusted, 410 deaths for the day.
Reckon the worlodometer Spanish translator was having a siesta but now back at the helm.

Do you honestly believe that the spanish figures are any more reliable as the UK , China or Russia ?

*than*

probably more reliable than the numpties/liars reporting ours.

Ours are around 7k short..

Spain updates their figures at least twice a day, prob different regions. Every night they are updated after 10pm. Showing as 552 for the day now

The rent boy giggilo desperate for more death.
He waits for the daily figs praying they increase
Obviously some massive weirdo who should be sectioned away from society

Back to 410 now after a refresh. The other 142 will carry over to tomorrow I'd imagine. Dunno what the story is with them reporting figures so late every day

maybe the so called hidden numbers are illegals... just like Grenfall

well the Uber mob have about 15 different names per taxi , that might be causing a bit of confusion ...