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A reasonably balanced article, in my opinion.
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In mid January they were still declaring that there was no evidence of human to human transmission.for whatever reason they believed everything China reported.they were asleep on the job & should take a lot of blame for the spread of the virus.Trump may be a **** but he’s not always wrong.
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Disagraceful and need to be reformed or replaced with something else.
The fact it is funded by corporations as well as countries is a big problem. Certain private individuals with their own agendas how too much power. Trump was right to act. Other democracies need to follow to ensure the reforms happen. |
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China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
DJT 24th Jan |
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Yes Dave, but the WHO misled Trump, they really are nasty people.
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The explanation is that the WHO took everything China told them as Gospel, despite evidence that they had covered up the inital outbreak and evidence of human-to-human transmission coming from Taiwan on 31 December, which they chose to ignore. Yes, China deceived them, but the WHO should not have taken it as Gospel in those circumstances, where there was clear evidence that they weren't being up front about everything and clear contradictory evidence of human-to-human transmission from another source.
“Even as the WHO under Tedros refused to brand the outbreak as a pandemic for precious weeks and WHO officials repeatedly praised the [Chinese Communist Party] for what we now know was China’s coordinated effort to hide the dangers of the Wuhan virus from the world, the virus spread like wildfire, in no small part because thousands of Chinese citizens continued to travel around the world,” Navarro wrote to me in an email. This part is nonsense too. The WHO have never praised China for their 'coordinated effort to hide the dangers of the Wuhan virus from the world'. They praised them for the measures taken to contain the virus, which were worthy of praise. Then after praising the Chinese measures, one of the most effective of which was to ban international travel into Wuhan, they didn't recommend to any other country to ban travel into their country. What else is the WHO there for, other than to be on top of outbreaks like this? Also it is very noteworthy that they parroted the Chinese verbatim re no evidence of human-to-human transmission on 14 January. This was the day before the Chinese signed their trade agreement with the US. |
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It's ok, they won't get fooled again.
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^^China was blocking access to WHO inspectors at the time trump was tweeting about China's transparency. Where was the WHO meant to get its info other than from China?
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lurka, the key words in that passage you have quoted are "what we now know".
The author isn't saying that the WHO were knowingly complicit in China's cover up, he is saying they were hoodwinked and possibly naive. |
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I have seen 2 people making statements representing the WHO.
Both were Non-White (politest way that I can put) - and neither of them spoke with any CLARITY of Diction - making the presentations almost incomprehensible. In both instances I thought ... How can you give ANY CREDENCE to these people's opinions, when they cannot communicate in the recognised - and in this scenario NEEDED - PROPER global manner of speech. Simply sounded like well-paid Gravy-Trainers. |
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Both were Non-White (politest way that I can put)
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Angoose, what they did to cover it up is completely separate to what they did to contain it internally. Lying to the WHO and the world about the extent of the virus had no effect on what they did to contain it. They shut off travel inwards, tested, traced and quarantined and got on top of it before they entered the type of curve trajectory the rest of the world is on.
That is completely separate to lying, suppressing doctors, hiding the extent to the world. The WHO haven't to my knowledge made any comment whatsoever about that part, never mind praised them for it, and I don't think it is within their remit to do so, certainly not while the pandemic is still active. |
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17 Apr 20 12:10 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 12,384 | Blogger: dave1357's blog ^^China was blocking access to WHO inspectors at the time trump was tweeting about China's transparency. Where was the WHO meant to get its info other than from China? If China were withholding information and blocking access then the WHO should have stated this and not praised China for their efforts and just parroted the information that they gave them. |
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They have praised how they tackled it, that's all they did. That is not praising them for covering it up and that is not something a health organisation would normally get involved in anyway.
The question is why the WHO didn't recommend similar measures to other countries if the Chinese approach was so worthy of praise. Why didn't they recommend cutting off travel inwards to anyone else? They actually came out and said they didn't recommend cutting off travel to other countries. On Feb 29 they said 'WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.' |
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The reality is that they have little or no teeth.
China does as it pleases with everyone, they aren't suddenly going to become a model government because a humanitarian organization asks then to be nice. |
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WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.
In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries. However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities. Travel measures that significantly interfere with international traffic may only be justified at the beginning of an outbreak, as they may allow countries to gain time, even if only a few days, to rapidly implement effective preparedness measures. Such restrictions must be based on a careful risk assessment, be proportionate to the public health risk, be short in duration, and be reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves. |
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Yes, but they had ample time to recommend effective travel bans to the whole of Europe and the US based on what the Chinese did. They could have done this on January 14 when they were praising China for the effectiveness of their measures, one of which was a travel ban.
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I want to know which people from the W.H.O visited China during the outbreak, the dates of all there visits and the full results of their findings.
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You have access to the internet, make the effort to find out.
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lurka and dave on this thread have a big sense of denial.
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Right, so you think the WHO should have come out and slated China when China was the only country on the planet with info about this virus, info they were desperate for in order to carry out their duties? And still is and prob will be for the foreseeable the country with the most knowledge about the progression of this virus? How will that help the WHO exactly?
It's a health organisation, not a court or a police force. Not its job to go throwing around accusations. That will be for another day by another more appropriate body. To clarify, China deceived everybody, but the WHO should have known at the time they weren't being transparent and shouldn't have taken their word for it. The WHO are at fault for that and their advice to other countries was poor, especially in not advising travel being closed off ASAP, something they praised China for. They are due a lot of stick as well as China. Again, probably for another day. |
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WHO did not need to:
1. Parrot China's comments on unlikely human to human transmission in mid Jan. 2. Say it was all good for flights to keep going for Wuhan to the rest of the world. 3. They also did not need to not listen to Taiwan's H2H warnings at the end of December. Those three things made the situation worse rather than better. If you cannot get decent information then it is surely best to say nothing rather than spread disinformation? |
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Yes I 100% agree with you. Why are you saying I am in denial then?
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And China was working hard to contain the coronavirus. Very hard indeed. Even dragging people kicking and screaming from their houses just for being suspect cases and welding others into their homes so they couldn't spread it.
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It hardly gave the WHO leverage to get into the country quickly and the key word is "transparency" in this debate.
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China has half wrecked the world dave, not Trump, Boris or Hancock.
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and why are you telling me that?
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Why would you answer such a question like that, dave ?
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Why would you answer such a question like that, dave ?
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it wasn't a question - it was a statement
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It was dave. You seem to think Trumpy's tweet caused the disease, it was China really.
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America is a special case. The context is that they were finalising a trade agreement with China which they both wanted signed ASAP. I wouldn't read to much into Trump's praise, they were days away from getting what they wanted. It looks to me that China tried to hoodwink Trump by keeping human-to-human transmission evidence back until after the agreement was signed. I'm surprised Trump hasn't accused them of this and promised to go after them but he's probably saving that for nearer the election. Like him or hate him, he's probably the guy you'd want to go after China when all this is over.
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If you were Trump what would you be thinking? I'd be thinking 'these guys tried to pull a fast one on me and the US AND they also tried to ruin my chances of re-election'. But it could backfire on the Chinese if he can use it to his advantage and it will be personal if he gets re-elected.
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Now it was a statement:
Please expand ? |
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Too much hatred against China. Whatever they did, there's a lot of politics to be played over this. I'm sure politicians will never want to hold China accountable, for various reasons, one of them being that accusing China has way more value in their politics than holding China accountable and as a result creating more issues, especially Re trade.
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China sells the most than any other country in particular USA and the EU, but mainly carp eg toys and games; no heavy machinery, vehicles, etc, unlike USA or Germany. I think a boycott of Chinese goods would not inconvenience consumers at all - they produce cheap tad. However, if remain unchecked they soon will do like the USA or Germany.
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