LIFE AFTER LOCKDOWN

A somewhat tetchy response.

Not at all. You know that im not worried about this so why would I change anything I do any more than smokers or drinkers dont stop even though they know they are taking a risk.

Ok, in that case, would you wear a seatbelt or not ?
There was no implication in the question, for all I know you may not drive or currently drive without a seatbelt.

As for me struggling to understand the idea that some people aren't even moderately worried about this virus, you couldn't be more wrong, I very much understand that some people aren't even moderately worried about this virus, that's the bit that worries me.

I wear a belt because i judge it to be a sensible thing to do not because its compulsory. You could of course argue that if pubs were open (as in my earlier post) the Government would be saying they were safe to attend so whats the issue.

Ever since this event started Angoose has been all over it like a rash posting up ridiculous graphs and figures without any evidence to back it up

Anyone can make a graph and present it angoose

I could do the same and I could get it down to suit my personal argument

Like the one you posted on the other thread with regards to 5 year average death, the spike has gone level with the same spike we saw a few years back, so I could claim its not as bad as it was then

I'll treasure the ability to wander around leisurely anywhere and anytime without fearing something untoward (not mugging) will come to me because of Covid-19. But, I'll take it cautiously at the beginning until death and admission rates in hospitals and care homes are significantly lower and permanent.

I also work and re-consolidation of finances will hopefully follow.

Will be a sad world we return to if we Ever do , People sprinting across the road if they see another Human Being as it is ,Life will never be the same Coughing and Sneezing will still cause
panic ....Avoidance will still be a priority for many , No difference for 90 % of the posters on here

Initially very probably eg people on the street avoiding one another. But, the comics will be in their element. Imagine the material available courtesy of Covid-19? The comedy venues will be packed for a long while.

Wont be changing one thing. If they decided to reopen the pubs tonight id be there for a pint

Do any of you seriously think it will be safe to go to the pub when lockdown Is loosened?

Because if you do you may be in for a nasty accident the morning after you do.

and that is all I have to say about that!

Whats that supposed to mean?

They all think they can follow their macho leader ... that went well didn't it

I think some of you probably wont ever go out again. Mind you these forums probably have plenty of posters who didnt go out before this either.

Whats that supposed to mean?

I am not prepared yogi e that I formation away just yet!

But 8 might suggest you try not to fart in the morning when you are having your first pee of the day

I think I understand you now but im not sure what a prepared yogi is?

its 1.01 that a depression will kick in and a lot of people will have no job and no money.So its difficult to see life returning to normal for a long long time.i hope i am wrong ,the jury is out on this possible situation.

Apr 16, 2020 -- 2:29PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

Ever since this event started Angoose has been all over it like a rash posting up ridiculous graphs and figures without any evidence to back it up Anyone can make a graph and present it angoose I could do the same and I could get it down to suit my personal argument Like the one you posted on the other thread with regards to 5 year average death, the spike has gone level with the same spike we saw a few years back, so I could claim its not as bad as it was then

Show me the spike that is higher than the Week 14 2020 figure.
I'll give you a clue, it doesn't exist.

I think some people think they will live forever. The average life expectancy years ago was 40, it's now just under 80 and for many, a vast number of those years near the end are spent in ill health with no quality of life. We are dodging bullets each day of cancer, heart disease, accidents, dementia etc etc in a finite life with no discernible purpose other than what we see fit. The statistical risks associated with this virus for the vast majority of people do not warrant the tales of terrified people locked in wardrobes shaking in terror when the postman arrives.

Agree totally with you wolf..best post on this thread by a country mile.

Why are they scared of the postman ???

I've just come back from walking the dog.The footpath i was walking on  was  20ft wide.A couple jogging towards me, fearfully stepped off the footpath into the road to avoid me(not much chance as they were 30ft away from me by now ) and virtually got wiped out by the Von Trappe family on their push bikes.

Oh how i laughed.

I fear that we will all be forced to have table service in pubs  but the way it should be is that if you are worried never go out again and don't spoil life for those of us who want to live life not live in fear .

twizzle

I was in my local shop earlier with a young girl serving customers - smile on her face, no mask , her whole life before her yet we have young/middle aged people holed up ordering online groceries too frightened to go to the shops or leave the house. Heart problems with lack of exercise will get them long before Corona will

by going out
I bet you pubs,,eateries around hospitals that are known to be frequented by nhs staff,havnt got the phone buzzing or queues poutside to get in, the bravehearts wilkl be the ones in aldi with masks and hazma suits on,polling today shows 80% of people are happy to czarry on with lockdown and we no for a fact care homes,hospitals wont have been poll;ed ,which suggests plenty of under 50,s are happy to carry on,there,s not that many gagging for a pint,coffee that landlords,barrista,s are stood by their front waiting to sprint to their high street to open up

The longer they hide, the older they get, the worse their odds of surviving it.

schools that stayed open for essential workers kids have seen their numbers dwindle that its not worth them opening you can open what you like but you cant force people to use them

Where is a link to this "poll " then showing 80% are happy in lockdown- wouldnt be  a poll presented by the government would it?

I think I understand you now but im not sure what a prepared yogi is?

Sorry dot,

I am not prepared to give that information away just yet!

Is what I typed kinda

Anyway I might like to refer you to a thread by  Jucel about 50 odd million pints of beer

The bottom line is the bottom

WD talking in fcking riddles again

the poll is in mail for mail by redfield and Wilson,it also shows over 405 of those 80% admit the lockdown is hurting them financially ,mentally etc

2 knicker bet and a pint with tim martin in the pond might be a must on here ,but most of the population can give them a miss in normal times ,never mind when their families lives are on the line

I havent a clue what "mail for mail by redfield " is and 405 of an unquantified number of those apparently happy people financially and mentally affected doesnt strike me as proof of anything.

1st time. So how long would you expect people to put their lives on hold? 6 weeks, 3months, a year or indefinitely?

I dont agree that my families lives are on the line anyway. Thats being overly dramatic. A couple of elderly relatives may need an
extended period at home but the rest will be just fine as the statistics show.

More sense from Dotch...oh how this place cries out for posters like wolf and Dotch

As for " families lives on the line" how do you think those self employed with mortgages/rent to pay, children to feed/clothe  will react to that when the virus has  a fatality rate of less than 0.01 % under 60. "Never mind mate, you will lose your business because ...there is less chance of dying from corona than getting run over crossing the road "

I'd like to thank all the brave people who aren't in the slightest bothered by the virus, anyone who is prepared to give up their place in the queue for a vaccine to enable people who are worried can perhaps get their vaccine quicker deserves credit.

80% of people in daily mail disagree with you,but I,m sure your right,remember that daily mail the one that's never been wrong about anything for 4 years,

Ivwe got todays daily mail , what page is it on 1st

Ive*

My chances of getting knocked down crossing the road are zero.

daily mail online, it,ll be todays news not yesterdays

I DONT TELL LIES, I DONT TELL LIES, I DONT TELL LIES, I DONT TELL LIES

Load of old jack and danny

well if its online put the link up, cant the that difficult surely unless it doesnt exist

Apr 16, 2020 -- 6:05PM, duffy wrote:

My chances of getting knocked down crossing the road are zero.

Really? Well most people cross roads in their lives- not you clearly

YEH I,LL TELL A LOAD OF LIES SO SOMEONE CAN CALL ME A LIAR IN 30 SECS , jesus theres some fooooking loooons on here

you're one of them , why the caps lock? What a freak lol

A bit of perspective in this article. Its back from 2012 so the number of deaths will be even higher now describing how air pollution causes at least 30,000 deaths in the Uk every year. Why are people not crying about banning motor vehicles

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/04/car-fumes-air-pollutio...

How the fook is releasing measures going to be practical whilst adhering to social distancing measures? shops won't be viable only letting a couple in at a time, and where are everybody going to queue? there will be lines of people waiting to get into different shops all tripping over one another outside stretching way down the road all whilst keeping 2 metres apart...totally unworkable.

REDFIELD AND WILSON was just a name I made up of the front of a packet of crisps, FFS

so it was a poor attempt at a joke to vindicate your view we should all be holed away .. fair enough

wolf,

It was a slight on the old chestnut about getting knocked down by a bus tomoz when people attempt to minimize the affect of something else. I'll put it another way, IMO, my chances of contracting the virus are significantly higher than getting knocked down crossing the road.

You wouldnt say that if you tried to cross the A47 here

1st timep...calm down son.you sound a tad demented, either that or you've hit the bottle early.

Here's the survey

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225891/Four-fifths-say-not-feel-safe-lockdown-lifted-now.html

wolf,
Fair point, I admit, I'm speaking from sleepy Cornwall

will be expecting dotch,wolf and the rest of the loons coming on saying ,see I told you it wasn't 80% its four fiths ,

Glad you find it funny silly boy.

just a you were correct would suffice ,

Cheers Angoose, the poll states " 80% would feel unsafe going back to everyday life " which is a bit different to them being supportive of a lockdown but perhaps the ones not worried about the virus are in a minority.

In times gone by the vast majority of the population also believed the sun was pulled by a chariot across the sky as they couldn't explain the physics behind it. They also believed the earth was flat where you would fall off the edge if you went too far and only a few hundred years ago most people supported women with dark hair being burnt on stakes as witches for being the embodiment of satan.

I'm quite happy to be in a minority of sane people as the minority in times gone by existed with those scenarios and were clearly a sane percentage of society compared to the masses of stupid people. I call it as I see it using statistical figures of mortality , age risks and economic fallout. In recent "polls " 59 % of people also state they are Christian despite never attending church , not knowing if God exists or not and despite apparently following a religion that condemns those to hell for not following the " 10 commandments " they regularly divorce, thieve, lie condemning themselves to a fiery afterlife they apparent believe in as " christians".  I wouldn't pay too much heed to polls from the great unwashed public.

from what i read 80% of people will get the virus,that's a big number,now we know a lot of children will not contact it for some reason or other,and old people who live alone are safe if they lock themselves up.As also young people who live alone are safe if THEY don't go out,which means nearly everyone else will get it except the people i mentioned.Now if nearly everyone is going to get it,the real reason for the lock down is that they don't want everyone to get it at the same time.
So my reading on all this is that the real plan is to lock down for 2 or 3 years ,to divide the death's up to an average per month,and hope inside the 3 years someone comes up with a cure.

I mean how can anyone have much confidence in this mad society when the supposed leading health organisation ( world health organisation) asks Lady Gaga for advice run by a man who isn't even a doctor

its the nearest you get to someone admitting they were wrong they bang on about absolute shoite

the point of the poll is who is going to lay out money on staff,stock etc and open up pubs,eateries,shops etc when the majority of public don't want to go out and do things they have to do ,never mind socialise, leisure etc etc

the looney right wing , £ signs in their eyes tory,s have on their short list of things to re open ist estate agents, besides who the foook is going to open houses for viewings in current crisis,who the fooook has  buying a house anywhere near ,GOT TO DO LIST

No ones " wrong" , I don't care what your online poll says or not. Unlike you I dont base my views on what others think- not all of us are sheep.

One question for you 1st time, when we all finish months of being holed away opening the letter box for essentials, what happens when a rickety raft carrying " economic travellers " makes its way across the channel and despite our best efforts the whole thing starts again.

Angoose

Here's the survey

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8225891/Four-fifths-say-not-feel-safe-lockdown-lifted-now.html



How is that supposed to be a surprise given the media and their cherry picked doom merchants put the fear of God into everyone. The media benefit enormously from this lockdown, in terms of viewers and website hits they've never had it so good. I think all online papers hire people specifically to write click bait titles.

Most leading doctors ( although who can trust anyone ) think there wont be a vaccine until summer 2021 at the earliest if there is one at all. Given that there are no guarantees of it working and reports of more than one strain of virus where is the exit plan?

First time Ive agreed with Darren on anything

full on lockdown or full off lockdown makes very little difference to me, I can quite happily live with either

for dotch and co every hr on tv I keep seeing people under 40 on different channels thanking the nhs for saving their lives, good job its only old people effected

On sky news there is a woman with a dog collar on now who is apparently " former deputy chief medical officer reverend professor gina radford" giving her views on what we should do next from a medical perspective. A woman who believes that water and wafers are transubstantiated into the blood/flesh of christ is giving her opinion on medical matters for a country to adhere to.. you couldn't make it up

wolf,here is two stats for you.
1=nobody has found a cure for it.
2= nobody has found a vaccine to treat it.
Now governments,scientists,and WHO can talk all they like about flattening curves,and crossing peaks,but the virus will still infect   until the two stats have an answer,the virus is not saying to itself,"i am on a up slope or i am on a down slope,it is saying ,i will kill everyone i can who gets in my way.
and i agree with you that all the governments of the world are waffling.
the virus will move relentlessly until one of the top two states are met.
governments know that if they let people out they will die of the virus.
the virus did not stop spreading,its people who have hidden from the virus that has numbers of deaths dropping,and nobody knows if the virus has a big brother coming behind him.

The lockdown is a pain in the @arse (especially for those of us who have people to take care of), but it is bearable for a few weeks more. When hopefully, we will see a staeady decline in the daily mortality rates. I wish they had started it sooner, though.

I don't believe there will be a cure/vaccine- we haven't found one for the common cold and even if one is found it's unlikely to provide long term immunity. It will come down to either being able to survive it or not which goes back to Darwin and survival of the fittest that has ultimately been prevalent since the human race appeared and will continue to be the case until it disappears.

Medical advancements aren't as advanced as many people think, it wasn't that long ago in the wide scheme of things regarding the history of humanity your local doctor would tell you to pop a couple of leeches down your throat for diseases. These "high grade" ventilators are being manufactured by Dyson who specialise in vacuum cleaners which is basically the only treatment as there is no cure.

dare i say it,people have got use to the death numbers,everyone looks and if it drops to 500 hundred a day,everyone will say we are winning,but what it really means is that to virus could only get in contact with a lower amount of people.its still about and still killing,and governments may use children first to allow them to go back to school because children seem to be immune to it in general,but its a massive gamble to allow adults back out.Thats why i think governments are stalling for time until a cure or vaccine is found.and it follows from that ,that we may have a 2 to 3 year lockdown.

Hope for the best expect the worst Brassneck is always a wise life philosophy. We all discuss on here betting strategies - a year ago we were hunting for the holy grail to be retiring on an island of scantily clad beauties sipping cocktails on a beach - now the holy grail is to avoid dying in hospital gasping for breath on a modified vacuum cleaner.

In my opinion

Once this past....life will return to normal, as before

The only long term effect will be to the economy, we will have accumulated a lot more deebt

People have short memories

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I think they need to lift the lockdown as soon as possible.

They are not even discussing how a return to work could happen. People who need to isolate should do just that. I feel sorry for many people wh9 have put their houses on the line. They are being slow roasted.

They are still letting people into the country without any health checks. About 15,000 a day. What is the point of being locked down if people coming into the country can bring* the virus with them

brassneck 16 Apr 20 17:59 
i will kill everyone i can who gets in my way.


I don't think this is true, look at it from the virus's point of view, it wants its host to be mobile, up and about, it wants the opportunity to infect other potential hosts, killing its host causes it a great problem.

You'd have to view the fact that it infects some whilst producing no symptoms as an act of genius if it was a conscious decision.

It wants to live in us and death to us might result, but it certainly isn't the aim of the virus to do this.

people could get fed up being locked up an say to themselves"feck this,i will take my chances and if i catch it i catch it"

lift the lockdown anytime you like people will vote with their feet they don't want to go pubbing,clubbing,eating out, football,travelling on public transport, etc,etc and if we get even a small rise in infections they,ll be scared ,worried for even longer,
as I posted elsewhere the great brains of the tory party want to open estate agents 1st,the amount of people wanting to buy ,move house is somewhere between zero and one, and it isn't one, and if it was one when it was explained to him it might be worth 10% less in 6 months time,he decided to give it a  miss,what planet are these loony tory,s on

it makes you wonder about planet earth 4.5 billion years old,and the possibility of pass civilizations being wiped out by some virus.As for dinosaurs ,i bet someone somewhere is writing a new history about the end of the dinosaurs as i post.

duffy im happy to give up my place in the queue for the vaccine. In fact I wont have it under any circumstances.

1st time. I see no reason for you to call me a loon just because i hold a different opinion to you. I dont know why you are so scared of this but you are free to hide away forever if you want. Just dont expect me to do the same.
I see you didnt answer my earlier question about time. As for sick people under 40 on TV ive never stated that some dont get sick.
All i did was point you to stats that prove virtually zero healthy under 40;s die. You ignore that as its an inconvenient fact.

The nurse who died was under wasn’t she?

one or two here will still be posting pap 24 hours a day

As opposed to your enlightenment macarony

Speak oh great sage

We are ready

WD there have been a few perhaps I should have said less than 10. That looks accurate based on the stats and an underlying health condition of about 90%.

Nurses are of course at higher risk since they are getting huge exposure.

The stats can be made to say what people want them to.

I would just say this virus is capable of knocking anyone down. It does need to be treated with caution.

We do need to get back to work though

The stats here are simple. Only about 100 from 12000 who have died in England have been 40 or under and we know overall over 90% have had an underlying condition. The only guess is what percentage of the under 40s had such a condition. If its 90% overall that would mean 90 from the 100 leaving 10. That looks a conservative guess if anything.
Its totally clear that this virus isnt a major threat to the healthy and young.

Millions have "underlying conditions", I haven't read anywhere that these conditions were such that rendered these people at deaths door already. As many like to point to the issue of many dying with covid rather than because of it, you can also read the same with these underlying conditions.

I'd assume that if you died with covid but suffered from high or low blood pressure, migraines, allergies etc etc etc you'd all be getting recorded as having an "underlying condition", it doesn't mean the "oh well, they were on their way out" comment applies.

The two largest underlying conditions quoted today were heart disease and dementia.  Migraines and allergies are not underlying conditions and its stupid putting them here.

I reckon that the suckers will be ram packed when the lockdown is over.. and the price of flights and holdays will sky rocket as people rush to get on holiday..

A bit like the Thursday night before Good Friday (in normal times)... First bank holiday since Christmas, pubs are chocker coz every fooker has been skint for weeks after Xmas.

Dont worry mecca. Its a free country. Stay hiding under your bed you will be fine.

Not me mate.... I can't wait for the boozers to open

And to get back to the football... Europa League glory awaits

Maybe some of the younger deaths had underlying conditions that they were unaware of. Fabrice Muamba springs to mind,a fit guy who obviously had something wrong that nobody knew about.

The footballer that collapsed at White Hart Lane btw