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jucel69
14 Apr 20 08:38
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Experts say virus may have reactivated rather than patients being re-infected

People have said this hits them in waves so it could take longer than we think to shake this completely out of our system

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By:
Reynard
When: 14 Apr 20 09:03
Has anyone considered the possibility that they are testing for the wrong indicator ? Crazy
By:
jucel69
When: 14 Apr 20 09:07
I don't think they have a fùcking clue what they are doing
Everybody just keeps playing for time hoping that somebody will get a grip of the situation
By:
Reynard
When: 14 Apr 20 09:14
It might help if they had some sort of clue as to exactly what they're looking for . It seems to me that they are possibly focusing their efforts on the wrong type of 'virus' Whoops
By:
Reynard
When: 14 Apr 20 09:22
Incidentally , my father was taken into hospital last night . His symptoms include 'shortage of breath' and 'irregular heartbeat' (2 previous heart attacks) . Classic COVID-19 symptoms . However , both he and my mother have been isolating for the last 4 weeks in their secluded house and have had absolutely zero contact with any other person . If he is tested for COVID-19 , as I understand is routine , and it comes back positive then it will confirm my belief that they are claiming more positive 'coronavirus' tests than is the actual case .
By:
clacton
When: 14 Apr 20 09:40
Reynard I have had a heart attack and have irregular heartbeat. I have self isolated for about the same time and thought I would be safe.I hope your father's test comes back negative.
By:
Hanx
When: 14 Apr 20 09:44
Also, the 'winners' (by which I mean Countries) in this will be those whose story is the most plausible.

South Korea has been doing very nicely so far, held up as the way to go with their harsh, immediate lockdown (when was it? December probably in folklore at least).

This news might have put a bit of a crimp in the figures they've been trotting out

I mean, not to Chinese levels of lying but still.....
By:
Reynard
When: 14 Apr 20 09:44
Your thoughts are appreciated . Thank you and stay safe yourself , clacton .
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 Apr 20 09:45
They are looking for the RNA sequence that the Chinese originally put out that they said caused the symptoms for the illness they call Covid-19.

Please report back his test result. My son-in-law tested positive when went to hospital for something unrelated and had no Covid-19 symptoms.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 Apr 20 09:46
No lockdown in South Korea as far as I know Hanx.
By:
Reynard
When: 14 Apr 20 09:49
Insider Trader - Possibly because they are testing for exosomes , which are present in virtually everybody , healthy or otherwise .
By:
edy
When: 14 Apr 20 10:22
Someone's been watching videos of the doctor that heavily, disingenuously misrepresents the work of others.
By:
dave1357
When: 14 Apr 20 10:26
because of Bayes theorem, when you have a low % of the population infected, testing of people without symptoms will produce far more false positives than true positives unless the test is infallible.
By:
edy
When: 14 Apr 20 10:52

Apr 14, 2020 -- 9:45AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


They are looking for the RNA sequence that the Chinese originally put out that they said caused the symptoms for the illness they call Covid-19.Please report back his test result. My son-in-law tested positive when went to hospital for something unrelated and had no Covid-19 symptoms.


Well, they are not "only" blindly looking for the sequence that the Chinese gave them. It's been independently isolated and sequenced by a number of labs around the world by now.

Of course, unlike what the 5G grifters that falsify the studies of real scientists to bullshit you would have you believe, they are also looking for that viral RNA (that's vastly identical to that of other previously known coronaviruses) and not for some exosomes under a microscope or something.

By:
sageform
When: 14 Apr 20 17:21
There are a lot a load of dodgy testing kits around.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 Apr 20 17:25
Reynard
14 Apr 20 08:49
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Insider Trader - Possibly because they are testing for exosomes , which are present in virtually everybody , healthy or otherwise

^

I thought they were testing for a specific RNA sequence?
By:
edy
When: 14 Apr 20 17:42
They are.

He got that nonsense from some video by some random GP who thinks (or says for attention) that covid-19 doesn't even exist. Instead there is some other mysterious thing (5G) that poisons our bodies. As a reaction, the body creates exosomes, which are then being detected. Video was e.g spread by Icke.

Even if you have zero scientific knowledge whatsoever, one might want to ask themselves why e.g about 80% of the tests in the USA come back as negative if they are "testing for exosomes , which are present in virtually everybody , healthy or otherwise ."

For good measure, the grifting doctor included a quote from a scientific article regarding HIV from 2003, and made it look like that scientist had written that SARS.MkII was fully an exosome. I.e he purposefully misled his viewers by heavily misportraying a renowned scientist not only about which virus the quoted sentence was written about, but also what the author tried to say with it (he didn't try to claim that HIV doesn't exist...).
By:
edy
When: 14 Apr 20 17:43
Misquoted renowned scientist, James Hildreth, is on record warning about covid-19 btw.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 17:56

Apr 14, 2020 -- 9:40AM, clacton wrote:


Reynard I have had a heart attack and have irregular heartbeat. I have self isolated for about the same time and thought I would be safe.I hope your father's test comes back negative.


Snap a virus attacked my heart and left me with Afib, so I have been self isolating for 4 weeks now. Good luck to your parents and I hope your dads tests prove negative Reynard,

By:
casemoney
When: 14 Apr 20 18:03
Had Virus symptoms , a few weeks Back , last night horrible Cough and delirious Felt very stiff today ,still have cough ,taking paras , fook knows whats going on , We need testing kits .Sad
By:
casemoney
When: 14 Apr 20 18:07
If I have a lingering chest infection I need antibiotics ,But it could be any virus ,the whole
situation is getting silly , Even if or when the Lockdown is lifted how can people know if they
are not going to spread to rest of the workforce etc , Its madness
By:
casemoney
When: 14 Apr 20 18:11
As for Juice suggesting people being  re infected ,It would not surprise me at all

If that the case we have got no where Sad
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 18:17
Sorry to hear that case, I thought you might be much better now, Sad.

I had really bad aching (everywhere) nausea, and extreme fatigue for over a week, two nights ago woke up in a pool of sweat had to get up change my PJs, sheets, pillow slips, etc. But felt much, much better since.

Don't think that it was in any related to cov 19.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 Apr 20 18:17
True case. Hope you feel better soon.

Fox, did you have a letter saying to isolate for 12 weeks? What you going to do after the 12 weeks if the virus is still about?
By:
edy
When: 14 Apr 20 18:22
The common theory regarding that isn't, as jucel pointed out too, that people get re-infected (in short order), but much rather that it might re-activate or goes back to the throat after it had previously been elsewhere in the body where it couldn't be detected with the common tests.

...Which might force people to re-think on releasing people after negative tests for another few days, weeks, or whatever. More research will certainly be needed on people who are meant to be fully recovered and non-infectuous.

Hope you get better, casemoney.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 18:25
No InsiderTrader, I'm in London, and was not at home (Rugby) when they went out.

After 12 weeks? I don't have a scooby, but have been told I can stay as long as I need, but whilst that is great, I would love to get home. Happy
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 18:27
InsiderTrader, have you had a letter?.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 14 Apr 20 18:49
My wife has.

She had heart failure. Got dilated cardiomyopathy and had AF. Has had a few cardiac arrests a while back. Had an ICD in. Had an abalation to get rid of the dodgy beats. Had total heart block. Now 100% on the pacemaker.

They said 12 weeks min stay home.
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 18:56
Jesus!, sorry to hear that, Waiting for an ablation myself 12 month wait (before the virus) I take 11 pills a day! to keep going.

Your wife has been well and truly through the mill, I can only wish you both the very best,Love
By:
1st time poster
When: 14 Apr 20 19:02
everyone ive heard who,ve been hospitalised and recovered seem to talk much more about the fatique,aches,pains etc than the cough,only one who ive really heard talk about the cough was matt hancock who said it was like coughing razor blades,
biggest clue now is if you have 1st symptons now as were coming out of normal flu season,much more likely to be the virus
By:
casemoney
When: 14 Apr 20 19:02
Thanks for the best wishes Lads , I doubt I have it , been feeling  unwell on and orf for a few weeks

Infact Might be a few years , If I actually woke  up feeling healthy I would suspect Something

was seriously wrong
Laugh

G luck all lets try and stay safe
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 19:07
"everyone ive heard who,ve been hospitalised and recovered seem to talk much more about the fatique,aches,pains etc" bloody hell!, Shocked
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 19:09
Second time in 6 weeks, but no sweats with the first bout, so expect (hope) thats an end to it, whatever it was.
By:
1st time poster
When: 14 Apr 20 19:14
ive had an off flu type bug for about a month, wagered at one point I,d had it but who no,s, woke up a few times sweating,pillow soaking,sore throat, but never a cough and never the fatigue ,muscel ache
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 19:21
No sore throat, or any of the others, the fatigue was extreme, getting from one room to another was like running a marathon.

Like you say who knows? If you could be tested, you would know for sure, can't see that happening any time soon. Hope it's gone for you now.Wink
By:
1st time poster
When: 14 Apr 20 19:45
comes and goes and of course in this clamate every cough,sneeze,sweat,headache etc etc is magnified a 100 times ,its like self forfilling
By:
onlooker
When: 14 Apr 20 19:47
If I may ask -

What sort of Weight are all you guys 'waking up in the middle of the night in a pool of sweat'?
By:
boxingthefox
When: 14 Apr 20 19:50
Me 11 3/4 stone, 75 kgs, have been that weight for 40 years.
By:
Angoose
When: 14 Apr 20 19:52
But you declined to tell us that you are 4 feet 5 Grin
By:
1st time poster
When: 14 Apr 20 19:57
I,ll be about 6ft and a stone over my fighting weight, but to be fair ive never seen the inside of a gym for 40 years ,but grafted like fook,hard graft for last 40 yrs, do about 4/5 10/12 **** a month now and shifts I used to laugh my way through I now get home and get up after a couple of hrs in the chair and I,m like a broken man, LaughLaughLaugh
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