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As a last resort refuse to treat paitents, surely that can't happen. I personally find that extremely offensive and worrying to every single one off us.
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Do you honestly think any nurse would refuse to treat a patient?
What is more disgusting is the Governments impotence in getting the PPE issue sorted and blank refusal by ANY Minister to apologise for putting Health Workers lives at risk by their own negligence. It is also clear they are all on instructions not to apologise! |
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3% working population in nhs...roughly 1000 Kungflu deaths working age...30 nhs staff deaths.
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Whispering death, sadly as in any job guidance like this protects those who shouldn't be nursing or doing so for the wrong reasons. My point really is about the RCN, those in charge should be sacked now.
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The holier than thou thugs have been advocating death as a realistic option for the aged / infirm to avoid financial catastrophe
Suddenly they express a compassionate moralistic tone as they try to make political gain out of a statement borne by frustration from the nursing profession Why doesn't it surprise me! |
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Geordie, maybe you should try having a balanced view on any subject instead of standing on the extremes shouting nonsense, desperate for attention
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Geordie seems to be very much a holier-than-thou type himself but doesn't see it ...
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I think it also has something to do with the Law and even protecting the patients they are treating. The statement though morally wrong to me seems to borne out of desperation rather than a statement not to treat patients. One would hope the Government starts listening |
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their breaking the law by treating patients if their not wearing the correct,recomended ppe, its not a choice,optional advice like any worker in any company its the workers legal obligation not to treat a patient
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What law are they breaking, and where is it metioned in their statement as i can't find it.
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Nurses should refuse to treat Covid-19 patients “as a last resort” if they are not given adequate personal protective equipment, according to guidance from the Royal College of Nursing (RCN).
At least 19 NHS workers are known to have died during the coronavirus outbreak, and the government has been criticised for failing to provide enough protection. A spokesman for RCN said: “For nursing staff, this will go against every instinct. But their safety must not be compromised.” The union said it would provide legal assistance to those making what it acknowledged was an “enormously difficult decision”. Business secretary Alok Sharma said health workers should not be put in such a position. He told Sky News: “It is absolutely right that no medical professional should be placed in a position where they have to make that choice. “That for me is self-evident. That is why we are making sure we get the equipment to the front line.” Sharma added: “In a normal circumstance, you would have us providing PPE to about 233 hospital trusts across the country. We are now talking about supplying 58,000 NHS and social care settings. “That is a huge increase and on top of that, there is huge global demand for PPE and that does put a squeeze on supply.” |
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bearing in mind very little ppe has been needed by the public but doesn't bode well if we,re ever having to face the aftermath of a chemical,nuclear attack does it, Jeremy hunt pulled the funding needed to cover a pandemic so we can safely assume the government has filed funding for a nuclear,chemical attack in the to expensive tray
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The lefties just love threads like this.
Lets them virtue signal whilst battering the Tories. Sad feckers. |
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Tell us your thoughts on the matter?
Tell us what advice the union should be giving its members? |
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union doesn't have to give any advice its the law of the land prosecutable offence not to wear recommended PPE, its just a role reversal in the majority of cases because itrs uncomfortable,hot,difficult to work in, its usually employee,s who are threatened by companies for not using it,wearing it incorrectly
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What law are they breaking, and where is it metioned in their statement as i can't find it
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Do you think that NHS staff should be provided with appropriate PPE when performing their work duties?
Do you believe that their is a statutory obligation placed on employers to ensure that they provide appropriate PPE to their employees? Do you believe that employers have a general duty of care in regard to the safety of their employees? |
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Did you believe Alok Sharma when he told Sky News that "it is absolutely right that no medical professional should be placed in a position where they have to make that choice".
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law of the land...ffs you are the king of sweeping statements..this statement had FA to do with staff 'breaking the law', it was (rightly) about staff/patient safety.
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staff are breaking the law if
a, they use ppe incorrectly b, treat patients whilst not wearing it they don't have a choice its not an option, a decision they make for themselves,its as simple as putting on a seat belt in a car |
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How many have been arrested ?
The court must have a huge backlog, what with all the nurses wearing binbags. |
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Do you think that NHS staff should be provided with appropriate PPE when performing their work duties?
Do you believe that their is a statutory obligation placed on employers to ensure that they provide appropriate PPE to their employees? Do you believe that employers have a general duty of care in regard to the safety of their employees? Did you believe Alok Sharma when he told Sky News that "it is absolutely right that no medical professional should be placed in a position where they have to make that choice". |
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You can continue with your deflection if you prefer, that is your choice.
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Angoose...advice, guidance or the law....you tell me ?
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there,ll be 1000,s upon 1000,s of construction workers in this country sacked,suspended for not wearing a simple thing as safety glasses,there,ll be people sitting in jail now,lost companies,gone bankrupt because them not wearing,not giving people the correct ppe,safety advice has resulted in someone been injured,killed
whats difficult to understand than under the health and safety at work act its against the law not to follow safety advice,the health and safety people have more powers than the police,they can shut down companies in seconds if they so wish |
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There are numerous HSE regulations that are derived from The Health And Safety At Work Act.
But let's not continue with the deflections, let's establish some basic principles. Do you think that NHS staff should be provided with appropriate PPE when performing their work duties? |
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Come on Eric, you clearly have an opinion on this matter, it's why you joined the thread.
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Where on this thread did i say that i didn't think staff should be provided with PPE ???? All I wanted to know was what law they are breaking by not wearing them and where in the RCN statement did they mention that their staff were breaking the law by not wearing them ?
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Angoose trying his best deflection methods here.
Of course in an ideal world everyone would have PPE. That includes nurses, doctors, police, train drivers, delivery drivers, shop workers and the general public. The reality is there are shortages and the best logistics minds in the country are trying to keep up with demand. |
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The RCN said as a last resort, nurses could refuse to treat patients.
It was inferred by Mr Sweeping Statement that nurses would break the law by treating patients without proper PPE. I wanted to know what law and where in the RCN's statement did this get mentioned |
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their breaking the health and safety at work act
its every employee,s duty to look after his own and everyone elses welfare,he doesn't have a choice to make if he hasn't got the correct ppe its not his decision to make whether he treats someone or not,HE CANT its the old fire brigade argument of standing outside fires watching people die because they arnt allowed in till a building is either safe or made safe for them to enter, a member of the public could rush by and try and save someone a firemen is breaking the law and liable to prosecution if he does whats hard to understand about that |
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and where in that RCN statement does it suggest nurses with inappropiate PPE should refuse to treat patients as they will be breaking the law ?? just copy and paste it from the statement..dead easy
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At the end of the day your trying to tell us that nurses with inappropiate PPE have no choice but to not treat patients as they are breaking the law...and ultimately that is complete bollox
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"I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm"
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This statement by the RCN, opens the door wide for Euthanasia to be practiced with the clear backing from the RCN and legal team
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Is that Angoose for real? no one should work unless their employer can fully protected them,good luck surviving that, don't expect the lights to be on, or anything else come to that.
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I am very much for real potlis, so I will pose the same questions to you that I posed to Eric.
Do you think that NHS staff should be provided with appropriate PPE when performing their work duties? Do you believe that their is a statutory obligation placed on employers to ensure that they provide appropriate PPE to their employees? Do you believe that employers have a general duty of care in regard to the safety of their employees? You can respond in any manner that you choose to. My preference, however, would be that you address the questions as stated, rather than simply produce a jaundiced interpretation of what you believe my views to be. |
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ffs, its not a choice ,option for employers its an obligation under the HASWA,and if they don'take all reasonable steps to protect their employees and patients their liable to be prosecuted ,its how the countries been run for 30 years
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ffs...where did i even mention emploYERS
you wrote.. 'their breaking the law by treating patients if their not wearing the correct,recomended ppe, its not a choice,optional advice like any worker in any company its the workers legal obligation not to treat a patient' I asked what law they are breaking and where in the RCN statement this was suggested as a reason not to treat..you see your @rse...angoose goes off on a tangent trying to be clever. I couldn't care less whether a nurse is not treating a patient because their scared about there/the patients health due to lack of PPE (thats up to them and you can't question that) The fact is that no nurse is not going to treat a patient for fear of breaking a law(that you can't find)....and again nowhere in that RCN statement is that ever mentioned. |
