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InsiderTrader
10 Apr 20 10:17
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My son-law-went to hospital and tested positive for the virus that causes Covid-19.

My daughter who spent 14 days in lockdown in a tiny flat with him before he went to hospital just tested negative.

Either this thing is not that contagious or the testing is not accurate.

Anyone know anything about how contagious it is and how it spreads?
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Report Angoose April 10, 2020 10:22 AM BST
Watch last night's Horizon special via the i-Player and learn all about it.
It specifically addresses this and other issues.
Report jollyswagman April 10, 2020 10:23 AM BST
how is your son in law doing i t?
Report Angoose April 10, 2020 10:23 AM BST
The science says it is significantly more contagious than other versions of the coronavirus.
Report Angoose April 10, 2020 10:25 AM BST
    Virus        Cases        Deaths        Territories   
    SARS 2002/3        8,096        774        28   
    MERS 2012-20        1,360        527        26   
    COVID-19        1,607,595        95,785        210   
Report Angoose April 10, 2020 10:28 AM BST
And that is the issue with removing lockdown restrictions, this virus spreads incredibly quickly, big risk of a second wave.
Report InsiderTrader April 10, 2020 10:29 AM BST
He seems fine Jolly. Out of hospital in Spain but been told to isolate in a seperate part of his parents house for 20 days. Not allowed to see his wife and kids.

Doctors come everyday in hazmat suits to check on him and test him to see if he still has the virus.

Sounds like they do more testing and checks there than Boris had at No.11!
Report Angoose April 10, 2020 10:33 AM BST
I'll publish some data later, but it does appear that Italy has gone past their peak infection period, as has Spain.
Not the case for the UK though.
Report jollyswagman April 10, 2020 10:39 AM BST
can you give us a sneak preview please? i thought 17/4 was estimated as peak death day, you seem to be suggesting it will be a fair bit later. tia
Report 1st time poster April 10, 2020 10:42 AM BST
as long as he kept 2 metres away and didnt have droplets coughed on them and then poke around his face,no reason they,d be infected, according to the scientists
Report Angoose April 10, 2020 10:46 AM BST
Well, this is where we need to firm up on our definitions of "peak of the virus".

For me, this should focus on the leading indicators rather than the lagging indicators i.e. cases rather than deaths
I suspect that this is what the medical and scientific communities also look at.
Report jollyswagman April 10, 2020 10:55 AM BST
i agree with that but the peak deaths day guides how much i worry about the death toll, if 17/4 were correct for peak deaths then we would need to be past peak infection day so that must be wrong Sad. if we are still about two weeks behind spain and italy then there is still a while to go.
Report John.W.Henry. April 10, 2020 10:57 AM BST
You really need to give Mexico a shout on this. He is the forums scientific and medical expert. He will know Laugh
Report edy April 10, 2020 10:58 AM BST
It depends on how and when she was tested. E.g. the swab PCR tests (done from samples of the throat or nose) are known to cause false negatives after about a week or so when the virus has (mostly) left those areas and wandered off to the lungs. This is also when people themselves are said to have become a lot less contageous.

All the best to them!
Report edy April 10, 2020 11:00 AM BST
As some "supposed" re-infections (i.e positive tests after having had been cleared) have shown in various countries, the virus might also re-activate in the the throat and nasal area after some time.
Report Angoose April 10, 2020 11:02 AM BST
I've broken up the data in to ten or 11 day blocks, pre March has insignificant numbers.

Data not yet in for April 10, other than a partial report from Spain.

However, you can see that both Italy and Spain have recorded less new cases in the first ten days of April than were recorded in the last 11 of March, also works on a daily average.

This will also likely be the case for deaths in Italy, but not in Spain.

France has anomalies in their data as a result of how they reported their care home figures.

Report edy April 10, 2020 11:03 AM BST
I guess another problem for a false negative could be improper sample taking, i.e not taking from the correct spot.
Report Angoose April 10, 2020 11:06 AM BST
Here are the case numbers by block, total number for pre March and then a daily average for the subsequent blocks.

    Country        Feb        Mar 1        Mar 2        Mar 3        Apr 1   
    Italy        1,128        902        3,687        5,343        3,783   
    Spain        58        164        1,988        6,759        6,110   
    France        100        168        1,083        3,592        6,562   
    UK        23        36        360        1,924        3,993   
    Germany        79        149        1,828        4,724        4,643   
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