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Will they ever learn? Chinese markets are still selling bats and slaughtering rabbits on blood-soaked floors as Beijing celebrates 'victory' over the coronavirus
By George Knowles For The Mail On Sunday

Terrified dogs and cats crammed into rusty cages. Bats and scorpions offered for sale as traditional medicine. Rabbits and ducks slaughtered and skinned side by side on a stone floor covered with blood, filth, and animal remains.

Those were the deeply troubling scenes yesterday as China celebrated its 'victory' over the coronavirus by reopening squalid meat markets of the type that started the pandemic three months ago, with no apparent attempt to raise hygiene standards to prevent a future outbreak.

As the pandemic that began in Wuhan forced countries worldwide to go into lockdown, a Mail on Sunday correspondent yesterday watched as thousands of customers flocked to a sprawling indoor market in Guilin, south-west China.

Here cages of different species were piled on top of each other. In another meat market in Dongguan, southern China, another correspondent photographed a medicine seller returning to business on Thursday with a billboard advertising bats – thought to be the cause of the initial Wuhan outbreak – along with scorpions and other creatures.

The shocking scenes came as China finally lifted a weekslong nationwide lockdown and encouraged people to go back to normal daily life to boost the flagging economy. Official statistics indicated there were virtually no new infections.

The market in Guilin was packed with shoppers yesterday, with fresh dog and cat meat on offer, a traditional 'warming' winter dish.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8163767/Downing-Street-says-China-faces-reckoning-coronavirus.html

Horrible pictures there too.
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Report saddo March 29, 2020 4:24 PM BST
Buy Porcelain
Report moisok March 29, 2020 4:26 PM BST
oh no  that is so wrong   the guardian says it is sexist homophobic or raycyst or something, so I dare not say anything

remember the bbc will follow when they get their copies of the guardian

ho ho ho
Report lovegod March 29, 2020 4:43 PM BST
BTF, there's quite a few animals hunted down for Chinese medicine mainly aphrodisiacs, why can't they use viagra?
Report lovegod March 29, 2020 4:44 PM BST
Or make their women more attractive.
Report ekbalko March 29, 2020 5:25 PM BST
Once went with a chinese woman,her **** face was like a Python eating an egg.
Report boxingthefox March 29, 2020 5:29 PM BST

Mar 29, 2020 -- 4:43PM, lovegod wrote:


BTF, there's quite a few animals hunted down for Chinese medicine mainly aphrodisiacs, why can't they use viagra?


Exactly mate

Report thegiggilo March 29, 2020 5:31 PM BST
ekbalko 29 Mar 20 16:25 
Once went with a chinese woman,her **** face was like a Python eating an egg.

Funnily enough,she said you were an ugly ****.
Report boxingthefox March 29, 2020 5:34 PM BST
Shocked
Report ekbalko March 29, 2020 5:37 PM BST
You know her too Gig?
Report mecca March 29, 2020 5:40 PM BST
Is that her name?
Report casemoney March 29, 2020 5:48 PM BST
Invite the Guardian to an imported  wet market food Banquet , Spread on those attending 0.5/1 I am selling at 0.5

Maybe set up a Wiltshirefarms  Chinese wet food delivery service for them..
Report Cardinal Scott March 29, 2020 6:00 PM BST
Let's boycott China and forget that they are the chief supplier of antibiotics worldwide
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 29, 2020 6:01 PM BST
Certain websites clearly trying to lay this at the door of China.


Meanwhile, we are still allowing flights in from virus-riddled New York and performing no tests whatsoever on the passengers. Coming from a virus hotspot, sat within inches of each other, breathing recycled air and we just wave them through to carry on their travels across the country completely unmonitored.


It's an absolute disgrace.
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:05 PM BST
One certain website trying to clear China. The public will have their own ideas without being instructed.
Report the.mad.dog.man March 29, 2020 6:09 PM BST
its a disgrace planes landing agree
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:14 PM BST
It is a bit bewildering, we are rightly housebound and they are letting in people who are almost certainly infected and allowing them to travel onwards.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 29, 2020 6:20 PM BST
I think you've just got to take responsibility for what you can. Some of the food practices in more exotic places are frankly disgusting and clearly unhygenic. That said, swine flu ten years ago began in the States with unhygenic farming practices.

Is the answer to have some kind of World Police and a one-market stylee set of global regulations that we all have to adhere to? Is that what the Trump/Bojo fanboys are championing?


Anyhoo, my anger is aimed squarely at what we can control. I was listening in growing anxiety to R4 late last year as this was spreading through China and wondering then what we were doing. Turns out it was nothing.

Now we find out that the government did a dummy pandemic run in 2016 and the results were so bad that they hushed them up. Even worse, they hushed them up and ignored them, doing absolutely nothing to correct the failings.

And then this year, while Bojo is going on This Morning saying how we should just let the virus run riot and how he was shaking hands with everyone, we were allowing passengers in from Lombardy completely unchecked despite that area being the worst affected region in the western world. Soon after, Madrid caught up and we decided to allow thousands of Atleti fans to travel to Liverpool and then have hundreds of thousands of people to meet up in Cheltenham, and give wishy washy messages to businesses to close that saw them all remain open.

If we'd taken this more seriously from the get go we could be looking forward to coming out of it in a couple of weeks, not six months plus.
Report GAZO March 29, 2020 6:20 PM BST
china arrested the doctor who first noticed this virus and basically accused him of scaremongering and made him sign a letter admitting it,he has since died of the virus,i think they should take at least some of the blame for that mistake
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:23 PM BST
Who's example would we have followed to be coming out of this in two weeks? No European country has fully prepared for what they are now getting.
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:26 PM BST
* The Swedes are just letting it run through those who don't isolate, I suppose that's a different plan but hindsight needed to know if it's a good un.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 29, 2020 6:33 PM BST
The example of how pandemics spread, and closing down quicker, testing, contact testing. Being prepared with plenty of test kits, proper protective kits for medical professionals, more capacity etc.

This was all foreseeable months ago. We did nothing.
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:35 PM BST
Who else will emerge from it in two weeks?
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 29, 2020 6:36 PM BST
Taiwan didn't take long did it
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:43 PM BST
I've honestly no idea, I don't read much about it.
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:47 PM BST
In fact I have been wondering why the United Nations or more locally NATO have not got involved with this, do you know?
Report edy March 29, 2020 6:51 PM BST
The WHO belongs to the UN, NATO most likely has no mandate (what are they meant to do?)
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:52 PM BST
No idea but everyone is pitching in and they must have a few medics and a bit of equipment.
Report edy March 29, 2020 6:54 PM BST
I'm no expert on military structures, but I'm not sure if NATO, as an organisation, actually has own stuff like that. I think it's provided by the respected national armies in case stuff is needed.
Report edy March 29, 2020 6:54 PM BST
*respective
Report saddo March 29, 2020 6:56 PM BST
Ok, I was just curious.
Report moisok March 29, 2020 8:50 PM BST
porky supports the book people and now the chinese government  - incredible scenes ho ho
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 29, 2020 8:58 PM BST
moysey, your efforts to continually miss the point are without equal.

Where am I supporting the chinese exactly? Read what I said and maybe turn that switch on the side of your head to the ON position.




Anyhoo, how about while you've got it on you tell us what you think of our response. Let's keep it simple. Here we are, in a week where we are certain to see thousands of deaths and the US looks like becoming the biggest hotspot of all and we are allowing flights from New York to come in without a single solitary check on any of the passengers.

Do you support this policy?
Report moisok March 29, 2020 8:59 PM BST
just chucked two lots of filth from china in the bin   GINGER  for my stir fry

how dare they
Report Coachbuster March 29, 2020 9:36 PM BST
the book readers in good spirits out partying last night 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52084653

those areas are going to take a massive hit  ,feel sorry for the nurses at Leicester,Blackburn, Bradford, Wolverhampton and Derby in the forthcoming days  Shocked
Report saddo March 29, 2020 9:42 PM BST
Comments suggest they were Polish, Coach. There's pork on them tables.
Report casemoney March 29, 2020 9:44 PM BST
Derbyshire Police found a group near Snake Pass enjoying a picnic and shisha
Report casemoney March 29, 2020 9:45 PM BST
Heads blocked in Image
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 29, 2020 9:45 PM BST
I'm sure you can blame it on some muslims of you trawl hard enoughLaugh
Report saddo March 29, 2020 9:56 PM BST
The shisha boys ( from different cities) aint Polish. Both groups show no regard for anyone bar themselves.
Report Coachbuster March 29, 2020 10:00 PM BST
saddo ... ahh saw Normanton area and put two and two together  Plain
Report Coachbuster March 29, 2020 10:01 PM BST
although more and more eat euros in that part  now too   ...won't end well
Report Coachbuster March 29, 2020 10:03 PM BST
Derbyshire Police found a group near Snake Pass enjoying a picnic and shisha

_________________

on a day out from IPSWICH and other nearer towns   Laugh   fooken 200 miles away  ...doesn't sound right
Report Coachbuster March 29, 2020 10:05 PM BST
east* 

plenty of Eastern Europeans in the traditional Asian areas   ...street fights common
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 29, 2020 11:13 PM BST
PorcupineorPineapple: Bojo is going on This Morning saying how we should just let the virus run riot

Boris Johnson went on This Morning to say that that is precisely what we should NOT do, you supercilious git.

You should really go and live in a Communist country. You would walk straight into the ruling class. They'd love you and your whole attitude.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 29, 2020 11:20 PM BST
Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance, I think it is very important, we’ve got a fantastic NHS, we will give them all the support that they need, we will make sure that they have all preparations, all the kit that they need for us to get through it. But I think it would be better if we take all the measures that we can now to stop the peak of the disease being as difficult for the NHS as it might be, I think there are things that we may be able to do.

https://fullfact.org/health/boris-johnson-coronavirus-this-morning/
Report saddo March 29, 2020 11:24 PM BST
Boris Derangement Syndrome is rampant on these forums.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 29, 2020 11:32 PM BST
It's the admiration for the Chinese Communist Party which really gets me: the most murderous regime in history. I suppose it's the idea of a society where those born to privilege get to rule which is so attractive. None of these messy elections, where the population goes and chooses what and who it wants.
Report Darlo Bantam March 29, 2020 11:42 PM BST
we’ve got a fantastic NHS, we will give them all the support that they need, we will make sure that they have all preparations, all the kit that they need for us to get through it.

Great. He might have said that. But none of it is true. I go back tomorrow after near 14 days self-isolation. None of us have been tested, none of us have any equipment bar a flimsy pair of gloves and a tiny plastic apron each, and a mask if you want it. We're asking patients to ring ahead and warn us if they have any symptoms.

Brilliant.

He might said he'll give the NHS all the support they need but he doesn't do anything.
Report Platini March 29, 2020 11:43 PM BST
the tiptoeing around China is nauseating, has been going on for a good few years now, and this crisis has exposed it.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 29, 2020 11:53 PM BST
It was a promise he shouldn't have made, Darlo. From the article in the opening post:

China also contributed to the shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE) desperately needed by Britain's doctors, nurses and other health professionals. At the height of the epidemic in Wuhan and surrounding Hubei province, Chinese leaders commandeered vast amounts of PPE, made in factories across China and destined for export.

UK safety equipment firm JSP had its two factories in China 'requisitioned by the government to make disposable RPE [respiratory protection equipment] for Chinese government agencies, according to a letter its chief executive Mark Johnstone sent to customers on February 3.

In addition, Chinese state-backed operatives working abroad were directed to bulk-buy medical supplies from Western countries.

Overseas offices of Greenland Group, a property firm backed by the Chinese government, bought three million masks, 700,000 hazmat suits and 500,000 pairs of gloves as it 'felt compelled… to assist in efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus, which had caused a shortage of crucial medical supplies in China,' according to a company newsletter seen by the Sydney Morning Herald.


The Chinese Communist Party has since sold hundreds of thousands of masks to France and the Netherlands, which have had to be dumped when they turned out to be faulty.

They also donated Chinese virus testing kits to Turkey, the Czech Republic and Spain, all of whom found they gave the wrong result three quarters of the time.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 29, 2020 11:57 PM BST
Meanwhile ...

PorcupineorPineapple29 Mar 20 17:01Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 9,272 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog
Certain websites clearly trying to lay this at the door of China.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 30, 2020 12:18 AM BST
Coronavirus: Netherlands recalls 'defective' masks bought from China
Hundreds of thousands of masks sent to Dutch hospitals have been recalled after tests showed they failed to protect the face or had defective filters. The Netherlands recently bought 1.3 million masks from China.


https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-netherlands-recalls-defective-masks-bought-from-china/a-52949216
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 30, 2020 12:26 AM BST
Looks like someone has been swallowing the propaganda at least.

I've read back a bit, just curious but who are the admirers of the Chinese CP. Has anyone on here applauded their actions? Maybe I missed it.
Report Platini March 30, 2020 12:32 AM BST
The Germans haven't covered themselves in glory either.  They've done s0d all to help the Italians or anyone else in their little euro club (are we surprised after the way they've treated the Greeks?), in fact they've been downright self-serving, to the point where their infection and death rates (especially) are way below the Italians, Spanish, French and of course the Brits.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 30, 2020 12:36 AM BST
Didn't the Germans actually take a load of Italian patients into their hospitals just last week?
Report thegiggilo March 30, 2020 12:38 AM BST
Yep flew them over,different gravy.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 30, 2020 12:38 AM BST
Andrew Neill tried to call out their low death rates a few days ago. He actually investigated and discovered the figures are genuine and simply based on the fact that they're doing a good job of mass testing, contact tracing and hospitalising patients early to get at the virus before it takes a real grip.

Would be nice if our government were to heed those lessons.
Report Platini March 30, 2020 12:41 AM BST
Yep, long after the damage was done (to the Italians) and only after extreme measures/hording of resources  had been put in place for the Motherland.


bit like China now "coming to the rescue" of the world building ventilators etc

that should score some "social credit" with the muggy lapdog libtard media here, eh ?  Wink
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 30, 2020 12:49 AM BST
It's called sovereignty plats.


While some people bought the Farage lie that our hands were tied within the EU, a lot of us knew that was bull. That has simply been borne out in Technicolor as individual countries have gone on to prove they had full control over their borders, spending, policy decisions etc.

Still, at least we've got those passports gathering dust eh.
Report moisok March 30, 2020 12:58 AM BST
who would have thought the arrogant defender of the book people would back the chinese government and military in their ativities

but its porky who doesn't even like the uk
Report moisok March 30, 2020 12:58 AM BST
activities even
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 30, 2020 1:08 AM BST
Germany has the advantage of not having nationalized hospitals and a nationalized health service.

You pay for either general health insurance, or personalized health insurance where your premiums depend on your own circumstances, lifestyle and state of health. The latter entitles you to superior forms of treatment and, most importantly, jumping the queue.

So, a fat German at risk from succumbing to a lethal virus, for instance, might choose to spend money on the more expensive private Krankenversicherung, be guaranteed fast and effective treatment, and so keep the number of current deaths down.
Report Platini March 30, 2020 1:10 AM BST
Talking of the EU,  this crisis and its long aftermath will bring its demise closer. You can take that to the Bundesbank


every cloud Wink
Report edy March 30, 2020 1:32 AM BST
How did this thread about China turn into Platini talking about something he knows zip about?
Report edy March 30, 2020 1:36 AM BST
https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1241990389311197186

.
Report Coachbuster March 30, 2020 1:52 AM BST
So, a fat German at risk from succumbing to a lethal virus, for instance, might choose to spend money on the more expensive private Krankenversicherung, be guaranteed fast and effective treatment, and so keep the number of current deaths down.

__________________

his survival chances are down to his own good health to start with  ...no health system would help with that , don't USA have a similar system ?.

  Germany were ahead of the testing and i think they have a slightly naturally healthier population than Italy and UK ,they're bound to have  ...Iceland still has the best model , random testing
Report Cardinal Scott March 30, 2020 4:02 AM BST

Mar 29, 2020 -- 6:23PM, doridoru wrote:


Muzzies and the Chinnnnnnese, god help us all


!

Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 30, 2020 10:05 AM BST
American system is completely different.

Is Germany's health care system a model for the U.S.?

...

Germany has what's called a universal multi-payer health care system. It encompasses both statutory health insurance for people who earn less than a certain salary, as well as private health insurance for those who earn more and choose to purchase their own.

Employers and their employees pay for most of the health care system in Germany through premiums. All workers contribute about 7.5 percent of their salary into a public health insurance pool. Employers match that 7.5 percent contribution.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/germany-s-health-care-system-model-u-s-n1024491

This is the problem. Whenever it's suggested that the UK's Nationalized Health Service, with its nationalized hospitals, needs scrapping, everyone yells, "You want us to be like America! Trumpist! Racist! etc.

I don't. I want us to be like Germany, or any other EU country which wouldn't dream of nationalizing healthcare in a million years.
Report edy March 30, 2020 10:27 AM BST
While right that there is somewhat of a 2-class medical care in Germany that will often see doctors give preferential appointments to those privately insured, I don't think it's that big, or any, advantage in this particular case. Someone will get the needed and best treatment whatever the case (depending on how stretched capacities are, the privately insured without a need for an ICU bed might get a room in which he is alone though (depending on what his insurance covers), compared to the person with public insurance that gets a room with two other patients (can pay if he wants fewer))

I posted some of the reasons that are wildly speculated to play a role in Germany's comparatively low death rate the other day on another thread  (expanded and edited a bit for this post)

1. We test a lot, one of the highest test per capita rates. Germany also tests everyone who shows even mild symptons, not just hospitalised folks like some countries do (i.e we count cases that are less severe to begin with while others will only count those that are more severe to start and will hence have a worse chance of survival). With the broader testing base, also came a better isolation of those infected and hence a (slightly) better protection of the especially vulnerable.

2. Even though we test more than others overall, last I checked, we don't test post mortem (unlike Italy and I think the UK too). So the terminally ill person whose life was reduced possibly ever so slightly in Bergamo will be tested in Italy even after his death as far as I know, and then counted as a death in relation to covid-19 if the test is positive. The same does not necessarily apply to Germany.

3. The average age of those tested positive in Germany, as of right now, is far far lower than it is in Italy. It is 63 in Italy, 47 in Germany. That is a massive, massive difference for a virus that generally becomes more dangerous the older someone is. In Germany, the virus was really initially spread a lot among and by ski ressort holiday goers (i.e middle agers). Germans are also less social than Italians, especially Northern Germans kind of do social distancing as a habit, and also tend to not live multi-generational in the same house/flat (i.e less of a chance of spreading from mild/no sympton young person to grandparents/elderly people in general)

4. This obviously isn't true for all parts of Germany, but air is generally cleaner than it is in northern Italy, which has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe. Better air quality will likely contribute to less severe respiratory illnesses.

5. Germany has far better capacities regarding ventilators and beds in ICUs. I think Germany has the highest per capita of ICU beds in Europe.
Report thegiggilo March 30, 2020 10:41 AM BST
Damn germans with their different class health treatments and lack of deaths..just wait till we leave we leave the Eu with that extra 350 million a week that'll show em..
Report Orsoncart March 30, 2020 10:52 AM BST
Laugh
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 30, 2020 10:52 AM BST
Thank you for that, edy.

My only experience of West German healthcare came in 1982. The headmaster of the school in which I was teaching virtually gave himself a heart attack when he realized he'd been employing me for several months without my having been tested for TB. Being British, I just flippantly asked him whether he thought I looked like someone with tuberculosis, at which point he went into meltdown. I had to go home immediately and make an appointment to get tested and receive the necessary certificates.

Very interesting point about the lack of post-mortem procedures in Germany. I wondered this when Andrew Neil said he'd looked at it and concluded Germany's criteria for whether a death should be counted as one due to the Chinese virus were the same as everyone else's. the criteria might be the same, but the investigations for determining whether a case fits the criteria evidently are not.

Thanks again.
Report TheBetterBettor March 30, 2020 1:59 PM BST
They should really give us back hong kong as part payment for the 200 billion we had to sp*nk out to sort this mess out.
Report Platini March 30, 2020 10:10 PM BST
the people of HK would probably agree with that sentiment Cool
Report boxingthefox March 30, 2020 10:32 PM BST

Mar 30, 2020 -- 10:41AM, thegiggilo wrote:


Damn germans with their different class health treatments and lack of deaths..just wait till we leave we leave the Eu with that extra 350 million a week that'll show em..


Yes Italy and Spain are waxing lyrical about all the 'help' the EU is giving them ..NOT.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/29/the-coronavirus-crisis-has-brought-the-eus-failings-into-sharp-relief.

Report boxingthefox March 30, 2020 10:34 PM BST
'Yet when Italy pleaded for fellow countries to send it medical equipment such as masks, France and Germany not only failed to respond, they placed export bans (since lifted) on the export of the kit Italian hospitals were crying out for'. FFS. Just have a go at the UK then gigg. Cry
Report saddo March 30, 2020 10:39 PM BST
The truth will not stop his blind hatred for this country foxy.
Report boxingthefox March 30, 2020 10:42 PM BST
Yes it's unreal saddo. Cry
Report Just Checking March 31, 2020 6:57 PM BST
I read they'd linked the disease to the rare endangered and quite lovely Pangolin.
That of course the chinese eat anyway as a "delicacy" (what don't they eat?) and also use the scales of it for their ridiculous "chinese medicine" that is less scientific than a medieval nutcase leeching you to make the bad humours go away, and seems to be a great way of making lots of species go extinct.

Be nice if the people caught doing such things were sent to camps, eh china?
Report Just Checking March 31, 2020 7:00 PM BST
"Pangolins are in high demand for Chinese traditional medicine in southern China and Vietnam because their scales are believed to have medicinal properties. Their meat is also considered a delicacy.[39][40][41][42] 100,000 are estimated to be trafficked a year to China and Vietnam,[43] amounting
to over one million over the past decade.[44][45] This makes it the most trafficked animal in the world."

Yet ... strangely ..
"All pangolin species are currently listed under Appendix I of CITES which prohibits international trade, except when the product is intended for non-commercial purposes and a permit has been granted"
...
"Pangolins are threatened by poaching (for their meat and scales, which are used in Chinese traditional medicine for a variety of ailments including excessive anxiety and hysterical crying in children, women thought to be possessed by devils and ogres, malarial fever, and deafness[4])"

Yet these people are apparently capable of making mobile phones?? FFS...
Report saddo March 31, 2020 7:04 PM BST
It's like Stig of The Dump being a pilot.
Report Just Checking March 31, 2020 7:10 PM BST
"Tiger looks virile, me want be virile, me eat tiger penis, woops tiger extinct" etc...

Makes me *****ing angry it really does as I'm an animal lover. It's so backwards it makes the medieval doctor seem like Bones from Star Trek, and they are doing it in 2020.
Report impossible123 March 31, 2020 10:16 PM BST
Bird nest soup, shark fin soup, chicken feet, pig and cow's brain (supposedly enhances intelligence), rhino horn (Chinese viagra) and many more. All nothing but (unproven) belief of their health qualities and usefulness; goji berries is good though.

I think it must be related to the starvation and famine experienced over many decades during the days of communism and suppression. They are locally obtainable, in abundance and cheap; their nutritional qualities merely to make it more palatable.
Report moisok March 31, 2020 10:19 PM BST
If our governments don't act!!!!   well they won't will they  - they know where the money is

and I will say this  - I am looking to go the same way

who is for frozen tiger paws?
Report moisok March 31, 2020 10:20 PM BST
or check out fake copies of well known russian artists!!!
Report screaming from beneaththewaves March 31, 2020 10:41 PM BST
Yet these people are apparently capable of making mobile phones?? FFS...

I think it's more a case of assembling mobile phones rather than making them.

Aren't the processors all designed in Cambridgeshire? And China has no semi-conductor industry to speak of, so all the silicon chips are imported. I read somewhere that 83% of all transistors used in Chinese manufacturing are imported. Presumably the 17% they make themselves are the ones used in the virus testing kits which give 80% false positives.
Report impossible123 March 31, 2020 10:54 PM BST
One buys Chinese products at one's peril eg dodgy DVD, dodgy imitation spare parts including aviation, fake ciggies, etc ie cheap, but terribly unreliable. Oops! I possess a Huawei.

But, their number 1 selling point is cheap, excessive and hardworking labour force. They do not manufacture (yet) automobiles, heavy machine, white goods, computers, etc, but assemble most of them. But, they own a huge chunk of Africa though.
Report moisok March 31, 2020 11:05 PM BST
I had two lots of 'fresh'  ginger marked china  in sealed  up - went straight in the bin when I saw it

china will have to pay
Report Coachbuster March 31, 2020 11:11 PM BST
you have to be careful what you buy ...sometimes the label will simply say 

made in DRC Shocked
Report impossible123 March 31, 2020 11:27 PM BST
I do not buy stuff from China (or associate of China) on 'ebay' or Amazon in the UK. I think the rest of the world will do well to recognise their ever growing supremacy economically, and erosion of democracy within. And, their subtle buying up of chunks of commodities in Africa is to ensure economic supremacy can be maintained; Africa is too poor, corrupt and needy to refuse.

I believe China with their world economic power will totally dominate once they possess the abilities and intellectual properties of USA, Japan, S Korea, Germany, France and UK.
Report Whisperingdeath April 1, 2020 7:32 AM BST
I think a trade boycott is one of the most powerful things we can do and one of the languages these people understand.

I personally do not buy anything knowingly from Israel, certainly fruit.

I think you boys should spread your call to stop buying Chinese products where possible.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves April 2, 2020 10:36 AM BST
China has approved the use of bear bile to treat critically ill coronavirus patients.

The National Health Commission has recommended the use of Tan Re Qing - an injection that contains bear bile, goat horn and herbs - to treat patients with Covid-19.

But there is no evidence the mixture has any medicinal value.

Bear bile, which is produced in the liver and stored in the gall bladder, has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for hundreds of years and fetches a high price in the illegal international market.


From the BBC news site.

So we can look forward to thousands more bears caged for life in China (thousands already are).
Report saddo April 2, 2020 10:41 AM BST
Neanderthals with nukes.
Report lovegod April 2, 2020 1:04 PM BST
So they want to kill all the animals as well as the humans.
Report moonaxed April 2, 2020 1:37 PM BST
Eat em
Report lovegod April 2, 2020 1:52 PM BST
Have they medically proved that any of this Chinese medicication does what they think it does?
Report lovegod April 2, 2020 1:52 PM BST
SP medication.
Report Just Checking April 2, 2020 2:13 PM BST
Yes the bear bile thing is shocking. If you hate it there is a charity called Animals Asia that tries to stop that.
Oh and the dog eating festival was not long ago, where they boil dogs alive, and pet dogs are stolen in large numbers for food.

More I think about it ... there are an awful LOT of things to be said about China. Still it's a Communist Utopia..
Report Platini April 2, 2020 7:27 PM BST
the CPC's lackeys at the WHO are still pedalling their filthy propaganda all over the MSM today.  Cry

The puppet on CH4 news 5 mins ago was a sickening watch.



For some real insight, watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU
Report casemoney April 2, 2020 7:43 PM BST
If the Bear Bile has adverse reaction Plenty of Incinerators for the Victims to be Lobbed into ..
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