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casemoney
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Report on the World Service

ICE RINK TO STORE THE DEAD

CARE HOMES , CARERS FOOKED OFF , RESIDENTS, LEFT , DEAD Shocked

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By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 24 Mar 20 11:53
And for every report like that in Spain, how much can you multiply in China, especially with the number of houses barricaded by authorities? I don't believe their figures in the slightest. Even if the figures are under-recorded due to negligence rather than propaganda.
By:
GAZO
When: 24 Mar 20 11:54
was told something yesterday that makes the ice rink story reality if it gets as bad as italy and spain
By:
GAZO
When: 24 Mar 20 11:55
you can probally add a least one nought on any numbers you get out of china
By:
detraveller
When: 24 Mar 20 12:02
I think people need to get over China now. If they claimed 50k had died you still won't believe them. Or will you? There's no prize for figuring out China is bad.
By:
Angoose
When: 24 Mar 20 12:06
Spain is accelerating faster than Italy Sad

Here is data from 20 March through to today.
The Spanish provide several updates each day, thus todays figures are far from final.

The data shows daily and cumulative recorded cases and daily and cumulative deaths

    Spain        New                Deaths           
    Date        Day        Total        Day        Total   
    20-Mar-20        3,494        21,571        262        1,093   
    21-Mar-20        3,925        25,496        288        1,381   
    22-Mar-20        3,272        28,768        391        1,772   
    23-Mar-20        6,368        35,136        539        2,311   
    24-Mar-20        4,537        39,673        385        2,696   
By:
Angoose
When: 24 Mar 20 12:07
The almost doubling of new daily cases on 23 March is particularly scary, todays number will likely be higher again.
By:
politicspunter
When: 24 Mar 20 12:11
Yep, Spain at 385 deaths today already is frightening.
By:
lybertyne
When: 25 Mar 20 02:24
And yet Portugal has around 2,000 cases and 23 deaths.
By:
casemoney
When: 25 Mar 20 02:33
Was listening to the World service last night when I heard the care home story ,Soldiers turned up to Find the Dead and Dying ,Probably after relatives unable to get in touch Raised the Alarm , Those running the place long gone , Very disturbing Sad
By:
lybertyne
When: 25 Mar 20 02:40
It will be easy to find out who should have been there.  Wouldn't want to be in their shoes.
By:
mafeking
When: 25 Mar 20 02:59
Holland and Belgium not doing very well considering they are small populations really
By:
potlis
When: 25 Mar 20 08:50
So the death rate dropped by a 1/3 between the 23-Mar/24-Mar ? and are these figures over and above the usual daily death rate in Spain?
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 09:23
These figures are only for COVID-19, people haven't stopped dying from other causes.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 09:24
The dutch progression is beginning to look bad. Of course, Amsterdam is a major transit airport.
By:
potlis
When: 25 Mar 20 10:20
If they are not over and above the normal daily death rate where's the relevance ? if on average 600,000 die in Spain yearly and that
figure remains the same this year where's the extra deaths from the virus?

If 350 people die from cor19 but 350 less people die from the other flu related illnesses the daily death rate remains the same, one form of deaths is replacing another, which is why it's importent to know if it's driving the death rate above its average.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 10:25
Tell you what, you go and visit the families of those who have died after contracting COVID-19 and tell them that they should not be counted in the statistics as they'd likely have died anyway.
By:
terry mccann
When: 25 Mar 20 10:30
Spanish not allowed to go into their own back yard now,the police see to that,surely OUR Government wouldn't do that to us?
By:
GAZO
When: 25 Mar 20 10:44
potlis,so what do you think we should be doing ?
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 10:50
The time to be concerned about death rates from other causes is either when the COVID-19 outbreak is under control or when a spike is evidenced in one or several other causes.
By:
potlis
When: 25 Mar 20 11:05
Yep, God forbid that anyone should question anything, let's just all accept the 'we are all doomed line'  get asked a sensible question, can't answer , so come back some emotional claptrap.
By:
GAZO
When: 25 Mar 20 11:09
is asking you what you think we should be doing not a sensible question ?
By:
potlis
When: 25 Mar 20 11:14
Read my posts, I wasn't question what's being done, just trying to get some prospective on the figures someone else posted.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 12:18
Fair enough.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 12:26
Spain is currently updating their figures twice per day, an early update and a late update.
They have provided the early update which is included in the data below.

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You can see a spike in the number of the recorded cases over the last two completed days with today shaping up to also be above 6,000.
There has also been an acceleration in the daily death toll.

Interesting to hear details of the Prince Charles case, it is thought that he was infected as early as 12 March but was only tested on 23 March, a ten day gap between catching the virus and showing symptoms deemed as necessary to be tested.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 12:27
The cumulative total uses the scale on the right which is logarithmic.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Mar 20 12:28
Spain at 443 reported deaths already today.
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 12:32
Aye, they were at around that with the early update yesterday, jumped to 680 with the later update.
That is their highest single day figure to date.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Mar 20 12:35
You have to ask why, amongst other things, athletico madrid were allowed to play Liverpool and flights are still going back and forward to the UK?
By:
Angoose
When: 25 Mar 20 12:41
Surely we cant be far away from passenger flights being shutdown on a global basis.
By:
politicspunter
When: 25 Mar 20 12:44
This might not be the best comparison but anyway..

I have a friend who is responsible for the South Georgia island website. Here it is..

http://www.gov.gs/

The nesting birds were being wiped out by rats which had been brought in by Norwegian whalers that had set up on the island many years ago. A programme was set up to eliminate them and it looks as they they have done it. Effectively every single one of the rodents had to be eliminated because if any survived, it just starts all over again.

We in the UK need to isolate ourselves and we can't do it if we are still allowing flights/ferries coming in daily.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 25 Mar 20 13:01
many airlines are ending flights (the middle eastern ones for example), the window for anyone abroad to get to their home country is closing fast.
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