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20 Mar 20
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1) Elvis Presley
2) John Lennon
3) Bob Dylan
4) Paul McCartney
5) George Harrison
6) Mick Jagger
7) Jimi Hendrix
8) also ran ..
2) John Lennon
3) Bob Dylan
4) Paul McCartney
5) George Harrison
6) Mick Jagger
7) Jimi Hendrix
8) also ran ..
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You missed Bowie
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No Ringo?
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I thought heft meant weight?
Meat loaf a shocking ommission. |
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Few greater fans of Bowie than me, back along. But..
Put him in the same room as Jagger and he would be outshone. And then, Jagger in the same room as George Harrison would be outshone imo. Cos those guys learnt how to act in the wake of the Beatles. Beatles were the originals, everyone else - inc Bowie - just learned how to be rock stars from the Beatles. |
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No Jim Morrison its bollocks.
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Bowie at his zenith imho..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1JHHfoP98g |
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You're gonna have to define heft, outshone etc. Harrison was part of the greatest group of all time clearly, and produced a good - though incredibly flabby - album afterwards, then pretty much zilch till his mid-80's re-birth.
You're gonna have to spell out the metrics how that equates to more than Bowie's output. I'd also add a collective note for REM. From Murmur in 81(?) through to Automatic for the People in (92?), you've got 8 slbums of ridiculously high quality. No one apart from the Beatles has come remotely close to that level of quality over such a length of time and depth of music. And that's cutting it off there. Most bands would sacrifice their grans to produce quality to sit on New Adventures or Up which came later again. But christ, any of Lifes Rich Pageant, Reckoning, Green, Document or Automatic p!ss over any album the Stones produced. And Stipe was a brilliant, mesmeric frontman. |
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Rem ,ffs
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Elvis/Dylan...rock stars?
Greats in their own right/field etc, but not what I'd class as 'rock stars'. Ok, Elvis did a bit of rock and roll here and there, so I'll accept him in the list. |
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Heft: - Can't say it better than Patti Boyd. She was wooed all night by Eric Clapton, while her partner George Harrison was enjoying himself elsewhere. At dawn, George Harrison appeared from the end of the garden and asked Patti who she was going home with. And she went home with Harrison.
Or, rent boy, Andrew Loog Oldham, answering a call to see John Lennon when he was with the Stones. Heft. |
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Yes, I'm not sure Elvis belongs in the list; he was more my parents' generation, and a dozen poor Hollywood films tarnished his reputation.
In which case, I would have to have John Lennon as the ultimate rock star. Which is not to say that he was a good musician nor spectacularly creative: I guess it's a list in order of the rockers you would listen to on subjects other than music - I take flushgordons' point, Jim Morrison should be in the top ten at least. |
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Nope, sorry what is heft. If it's "being a rock star" can I point you in the direction of Uncommon People by David Hepworth which should help you pass some time in the coming weeks. And has Bowie on the front cover.
I'd also add Little Richard, Bryan Ferry (not really a rock star, but the leader of the best of the 70s bands), Lou Reed, (through gritted teeth) Freddie Mercury and then maybe Kurt Cobain. |
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Jagger cuckolded Ferry with Jerry Hall in the '70's. That kind of precludes him from a high place in the firmament of rock gods even before Ferry's Dylanesque tour.
Sit in the corner awhile POP. Interested in any better reasoned alternative lists. |
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Are you just interested in rock star's d!cks UB or their music? Why are you so fascinated with Patty Boyd or Jerry Hall ffs?
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The hierachy, POP.
If you had a photo of yourself with a rock star, which would you value the most; not in monetary terms but in terms of prestige. |
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So, a photo with a rock star. Fair enough. You'd value Harrison above Bowie? Really? The guitarist? The third most important member of the Beatles?
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Or, to put it more simply for guys, if you were a rock star, who would you like to be?
For me, John Lennon. No doubt. |
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Ok, here goes (as a scouser)
Was Lennon all that? For me, late Beatles is the shizz. And that's McCartney. Lennon was the driving force at the start but Macca's musicianship, appreciation of melody and sheer professionalism meant he took control from Sgt Pepper's onwards. Abbey Road (my fave of theirs) is predominantly Macca's doing. Lennon was just battling hard drugs for most of that. And give me Macca's 70's output over Lennon's every time. It's merely the curse of the "died young". Not saying he was rubbish but there was a lot of sh!te in there and nothing nearly as interesting as Uncle Albert for instance. Lennon would always be a great dinner party guest but Macca was the main man in the Beatles by their most interesting phase. He just managed to survive so was less sexy for the teenage poster boys. |
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I'm afraid you don't get the appeal - POP.
John Lennon communicated directly to the senses. McCartney was the pretty boy and a lot more but Lennon was the man. It is not predicated on musical ability. Otherwise we would all be listening to music from Yamaha. |
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I think you're merely showing your age and the fact that your era was the early to mid 60's. Judge the music. The late period Beatles was peerless, and McCartney ran the show. I'd take a lot of Kinks stuff in particular and even Hollies over pre-Rubber Soul Beatles stuff.
If Lennon had not been shot and carried on releasing crap like Woman and Starting Over then he'd have been derided as a flash in the pan. Getting shot was the best thing that could have happened for his career. He'd basically be an earlier Liam Gallagher; releasing limp and lame solo album and begging his old mate to get the lads back together to remind him when he was once relevant. |
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This is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1JHHfoP98g |
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Any list of rock stars not including Bowie is simply sh!te frankly. I'm far from his biggest fan but christ you'd have to have the senses of a walnut not to appreciate what he did over such a long period.
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Orbison early doors surely
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That's a shout surely to be fair. I'd also posit Dion (of Belmonts fame); Runaround Sue is - for me - the best of pre-Beatles rock n roll.
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Dion nailed it for sure
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Where would you put Bowie, then?
Because, frankly, certain Youtube clips are pretty humiliating. |
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Way behind the times (born in 73 ffs) but am amazed at the disregard for him in the whole firmament. Runaround Sue, The Wanderer and then Abraham, Martin and John a few years later should be enough to cement his place near the top for me.
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Lennon I love for his music but above all his honesty but that's what got him murdered
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UB - Macca is king for me. Clear #1 by a mile. No one is remotely close. To be fair I'm not sure between Bowie and Lennon for second. You've got depth of material/re-invention v impact. Obviously, youtube will show unflaterring stuff. He was massively into hard drugs; as were a lot of his peers and if the aim is to shoot down our heroes then it's east to find the bullets. You certainly don't have to dig too hard to find unflattering stuff about Lennon or the Stones ffs.
Personally, I'm always gonna be swayed towards the more muso/less sexy side of stuff so will tend to rave about Roxy, Kinks, XTC, REM etc but can happily chat about Jagger even if his supposed claim to fame is getting off with Jerry Hall. |
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Yes, the way music touches the heart cannot be measured in terms of ability nor sales.
How have it or you don't. And that is part of the tragedy, because John Lennon would never have made it today in the UK. You would never have heard of him. |
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Jagger was a pop actor,the camera loved him
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you would. Lennon knew how to publicise himself. He was ace at it. That's my trepidation. He'd be barely more than a modern day Liam, declaring himself better than whoever.
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Liam wouldn't be fit to wrap Lennons bum but he tries hard bless
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You still don't quite jive with my proposition, Porky..
You have died and gone to heaven and are invited to be -for one day at least - a rock god. Paul McCartney is ok . But surely... |
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UB - Harrison above Bowie???
On a single day of the week even? |
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Macca sold his soul years ago,lennon never did.
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Yes.
And I bow to no-one in my appreciation of Bowie before he had his teeth done. But his stardom was just a pale imitation of the Beatles. Furthermore, without the Beatles there would be no David Bowie, just David Jones. Chances today of a kid from Bromley coming to the prominence of Bowie are about zero. |
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The Beatles were forerunners to almost everyone but Bowie was a real talent on his own,"Ashes to Ashes" mucic and words would challenge even the greatest Beatles song imo
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