Hong Kong Flu pandemic of 1968/69 killed 80,000 in the UK

In 1968 the median age in the UK was 34.  Now it's 40.

86 surely ? I was 6 in 1968 , now I'm 58 ............... Basic maths !

the median age of the population in 1968 was 34.   I'm not talking about 34 years ago!

I know , I was just being facetious ......................... I'm bored ffs !

And the point is, life went on without all this disruption we're seeing today.

Let's remember, many people have put themselves in the firing line, such as smokers and people who have eaten themselves into suffering chronic illness.

An eighty year old man with an underlying illness dies after getting coronavirus, yet any bug that was going the rounds could have polished him off with regard to his general health.

My advice would be the same as it always is when bugs are around, if you're vulnerable have as little contact with others as possible.

Because the bug will eventually go.

And if we're going to have this song and dance every time there's a bug around, where will it end?

Dr C, I'd concur that would normally be the best approach as with Swine Flu, but it's evident this virus is much more deadly and much more resource dependent.  I'd guesstimate that were this virus just allowed to run it's course, there wouldn't be the capacity to treat 90% plus of the sick and the death rate would soar.

Crip you have to be running round Screaming and Crying , You must be in a state of Panic and counting Sheets everytime you have a shyte

Get with the Programme FFS ,your letting the side down ....

Instead of a death rate of 1-2%, you could be talking 10%.

https://twitter.com/ejwlfc/status/1240027503609229312

but it's evident this virus is much more deadly

But is it?

Only if you have an underlying illness, and with more older people about than there used to be, there are more about with these chronic illnesses.

It's becoming a case of how far are we prepared to go to preserve the lives of the very old and sick, at the extreme expense of the young.

All seems a little strange to me we have an Aging world population , and a bug suddenly appears that kills old people .....

If people have hit 80 they have had their Innings ,a lot of us wont regardless of any virus ....

THE MEDIA IS PUSHING A REIGN OF TERROR ....

1 WASH YOUR HANDS

2 ISOLATE IF TOLD OR HAVE TO

3 STOP THE RUN ON FOOD THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT

4 GTF ON WITH IT

IF 100,000 DIE SO BE IT. WONT BE THE FIRST OR LAST TIME IT HAS HAPPENED ........

I HAVE A COLD AND I AM COUGHING WHAT DO I DO SIT IN FOR 2 WEEKS ????

THERE ARE ALOT OF 70/80 YEAR  OLDS THAT ARE A LOT FITTER THAN ME ,THEY WONT BE DYING IMVHO

10 % 6 million

Go away FFS

I put my dog in my dressing gown earlier and he looked a bit Hong Kong Fluey

10% death rate for those infected, not the population as a whole ffs, if we just let it run it's course.  Wuhan and Italy medical centres can't cope with running infections of 0.001%, so how the hell can we cope letting it run it's course

Personally I reckon the number of dead will be below 20k, but only because of strong measures taken.

I mean 0.1%

It'll run its course anyway.

All we're doing is slowing down the rate at which people get infected.

As people recover they provide a barrier to its spread.

You need a total clampdown on movement for it to run out in two-three weeks.

Isn't that what they did in China?

The percentage of infected people requiring hospital treatment is I believe close to 20%, and that duration of treatment 2-3 weeks, so if we were to let it run and 40% of people caught it over the year, that's a running average of over 2% infection rate.  Hospitals can't cope with 0.1%, as we've seen in China and Italy.  If 90-95% of people who get good hospital treatment eventually recover, how many of them would recover without it?  I'm not a medic, but it seems bleedingly obvious it won't be anywhere near 90%.  OK, it might be 70-80%, but it could easily also be below 50%.

And that's why countries are doing what they are doing.

Most people who phone in with symptoms are told to stay at home.
So people recover from it quite well.

The hospitals only take the most severe cases, which mostly come from the elderly who are advised not to put themselves at risk by mixing with others in the first place.

These are the ones who would overwhelm the hospitals if they didn't take precautions, regardless of what the rest of the population did.

In 2018, there were 541,589 deaths registered in England and Wales -

- an increase of 1.6% compared with 2017 (533,253); this is the highest annual number of deaths since 1999.

Those figures - Without any major illness outbreak

The hospitals only take the most severe cases,

Which is what I said

which mostly come from the elderly who are advised not to put themselves at risk by mixing with others in the first place.

Loads of people aged 30-60 require hospital intervention.  It was on the news yesterday.  Whereas mortality rates increase rapidly with advancing years, that's nowhere near the case with hospitalisations.

that's nowhere near as steep with hospitalisations.

If you let it's run it's course, I imagine hospitals would have to refuse the most severe cases on an industrial scale, they'd have to only accept the less severe cases as they'd be less resource intensive compared to chances of survival.

They are already handing out 4 drugs to old peoples homes morphine for end of life wtf presuming that the capabilitues won't be there to treat them,euthanasia before even needed,disgraceful.

China has had 600 new cases in the last 2 weeks, but it still has 2,600 patients in a serious or critical condition.  That gives you an indication of the length of hospital durations

2-3 weeks in icu is common.

Loads of people aged 30-60 require hospital intervention.

I'm sure they could whittle those down if they had to.

Yeah, come back when you are worse.  Not sure that policy being very effective.

80,000 died yet this one is going to kill less?

They wont stop public rage after this, you can't pull this kind of stunt off without getting some proper blow back

That's what they do when there's a shortage of beds.

If they're prioritising this then they must be cutting back on hospitalising other conditions.

They've been telling us for ages that they're understaffed with not enough beds.
Now suddenly there's extra capacity in the system.

Where has it come from?

I really don't understand this game they're playing, its utterly self destructing for the governments to play along with it

Mar 18, 2020 -- 2:15PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

That's what they do when there's a shortage of beds.If they're prioritising this then they must be cutting back on hospitalising other conditions.They've been telling us for ages that they're understaffed with not enough beds.Now suddenly there's extra capacity in the system.Where has it come from?

This is the point

People are going to die from this "event" and its not the virus they need to fear, this is the most disgusting stunt ever pulled by these people

They can't be allowed to get away with this, forget the government this has gone well above your "elected officials", its absolutely disgraceful what we're witnessing

Bill Gates and co are marked and they need to be facking arrested and sentenced to death

80,000 died yet this one is going to kill less?

It's only going to kill less because of the measures being taken.  It would kill far more if we let it run amok.

Mar 18, 2020 -- 2:18PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

Mar 18, 2020 --  1:15PM, Dr Crippen wrote:That's what they do when there's a shortage of beds.If they're prioritising this then they must be cutting back on hospitalising other conditions.They've been telling us for ages that they're understaffed with not enough beds.Now suddenly there's extra capacity in the system.Where has it come from?This is the pointPeople are going to die from this "event" and its not the virus they need to fear, this is the most disgusting stunt ever pulled by these people They can't be allowed to get away with this, forget the government this has gone well above your "elected officials", its absolutely disgraceful what we're witnessing Bill Gates and co are marked and they need to be facking arrested and sentenced to death

If you don't mind I will place my trust in scientists rather than you.

I dont remember Hong Kong flu but was taken out for a month by flu . I thought it was in the early seventies . It is not to be taken lightly .

They are saying 20,000

That's a number over a 2 month period, sorry but its been a total scam if that's the finishing total and I refer you to my thread regarding public anger

China got 80,000 cases and 5,000 deaths, this whole thing has been a total fraud

Dunlaying

I've had flu and I've had it severe, its absolutely nothing to fear, a fever met with aches, all it is is your body killing the bacteria/virus, its nothing to fear

Give it me and I'll show you how to deal with it, rest up let the fever pass and then go for a steady walk (AWAY from people), gets the immune system into top gear because you keep the temp high in the body

Its a piece of cake fighting off viruses and bugs

People are running round panic buying tablets ffs

Its ridiculous how pathetically dumbed down people are

2 days max before you start to feel better and you can go out walking even a slow jog

Ridiculous

These type of virus are becoming more and more common, we have had sars, mer, birdflu in the last 20 years, its seems this is something that will reoccur even more often in the future.

This infection is coming one way or the other. They key is to delay widespread infections as long as possible so as not to overwhelm the NHS (This is whats occurring in Italy and Italy has not yet reached anywhere near the peak)

You know its serious when Hancock is basically on TV begging for Ventilators from any source

Tom Hanks and his wife who had cancer have soon got over it.

He's 64, she's 63.

He must be wondering what all the fuss is about.

Apparently they are issuing lockdown tomorrow

Curfews the lot

I have heard ducks fart before .

dunlaying

Just relaying a message, get stocked up on hot dogs and sardines, get the electric sorted if your on pay as you go

Not a nice combination in a sandwich.

Forced vaccinations coming

people were probably a bit more sensible in 1968 i'd have hoped 


no social media  so i guess this would largely have  gone unnoticed in 1968  save for a few news items

A load of stevie wonders by the sound of it,or just plain ignorant..

Reynard

86 surely ? I was 6 in 1968 , now I'm 58




Gonna Call BS!!! on that one...

but thanks for cheering me up..

I'm 27 btw.

Old people die all the time,read your local obituaries and it is usually those of us over 70 with rare examples otherwise. All this is a new cause , usual rules apply in life keep clean and avoid daft risks while young people shrug it off and build up immunity.

Since swine flu (2009) the worlds population has grown by approx 1 billion.
Now I'm no scientist but these nasty viruses have a history of occurring in over populated areas.

Nature's way of dealing with it....and I expect it will become a more common trend going forward as the pop continues to grow.