What happens when people cant afford to live off sick pay??

Government doesn’t get it most trade people
Work for them selfs no sick pay so they will carry on
Bills to pay **** the rest
Them duckers eating monkey brains in China need
Filling in for this

There used to be summat called State Benefits . Don't think they have 'em nowadays . Every man for himself !

I think "putting the family 1st" and go to work when ill with Covid-19 symptoms in this instance is selfish and misguided because if the entire family will need to self-isolate thus the consequences are significantly more horrendous.

Self-employed people should have paid more attention to the budget on Wednesday.

Those who are not eligible for SSP, for example the self-employed or people earning below the Lower Earnings Limit of £118 per week, can now more easily make a claim for Universal Credit or Contributory Employment and Support Allowance:

  - for the duration of the outbreak, the requirements of the Universal Credit Minimum Income Floor will be temporarily relaxed for those who have COVID-19 or are self-isolating according to government advice, ensuring self-employed claimants will receive support

  - people will be able to claim Universal Credit and access advance payments upfront without the current requirement to attend a jobcentre if they are advised to self-isolate

  - contributory Employment and Support Allowance will be payable, at a rate of £73.10 a week if you are over 25, for eligible people affected by COVID-19 or self-isolating in line with advice from Day 1 of sickness, rather than Day 8.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/support-for-those-affected-by-covid-19/support-for-those-affected-by-covid-19

It is part of the human condition to be inherently selfish.
All that changes between individuals is the degree to which they are afflicted by the condition.

not one to throw a spanner in the works but if things get as bad as elsewhere,white van man wont have any work to go to,the decision will be made for them,people arnt sat at home worrying about getting jobs done and like white van man wont have the money to do so
don't want to be flippant but I suppose they could have been putting the money they save on NI PAYMENTS INTO A RAINY DAY JAR, in all these situations you cant expect not to pay in to the xmas club and then expect to draw come december like those who have,
and we no its how the self employed,gigg economy survive but this is the price we pay for the so called tory jobs MIRACLE,well their now going to have to shell out for the MIRACLE
a MIRACLE but not a MIRACLE worth paying for they,ll decide

"We are all in it together" So no worries

The self employed bubble is in the process of being well and truly burst, IR35 changes are seeing to that.

If you need any proof, just ask Eamon Holmes

Mar 13, 2020 -- 10:57AM, terry mccann wrote:

"We are all in it together" So no worries

But some of us are more in it than others

Many Angoose many

All animals are equal terry, all animals are equal

Government sick pay is hardly enough to live on after picking up proper wages.

But those who make the rules, like all public sector workers can take time off on full pay.

This situation where some of the workforce get sick leave on full pay, and the rest have to get by on a government pittance when they're ill, and that's after a certain number of days has elapsed. Has always seemed very unfair to me.

Why haven't the unions ever had a go at getting it changed?

Why didn't the Labour government who were in power for 13 years address it?

How can you have a union, or a Labour government that believes in different levels of employment rights for workers?

And they call themselves socialists; they're no more socialists than Donald Trump.

Communion wine

not saying where, but I worked at a huge private company where you wernt pulled in till you,d had 3 full weeks off sick in any one year and lads had an unofficial rota when they went off sick basically 3 weeks extra holiday, to prove its a way of life I,d worked for 30 years where you got stat sick pay £94 and was transferred over to the company but in 6 years never used the full sick pay once
you got full pay for 6 months and half pay after that

lots of my golfing friends worked at ministry of pensions in newcastle.

they had 4 weeks annual leave, 6 weeks sick pay, and always took full advantage...

one of them was quite high up, and he would advise the youngsters how
to take best advantage of their sick leave...

It's always amazed me that hourly paid workers stand for losing money when they're sick.

Public sector workers and staff workers in the private sector, can take time of on full pay for the slightest excuse. Yet hourly paid workers even get their money docked for simply turning up late.

And amongst these we see the types who are the most militant supporters of the labour movement.

Do they stand for it because they're all thick or what?

I think we'll find that the only ones who will be self-isolating, will be workers who get paid to stay at home.

The rest will only take time off if they're too ill to go.
Which is how it works anyway.

self employed/gig economy/white van man

where their going to go Crippen,transpose them to Italy/rome today,what work are they foooooking going to do, jesus Christ open your eyes decisions will be made for you, JUST TO FOOOOOKING HELP YOU LOONS

all those working in ,around or close to 50 football matches tomorrow will now be EARNING SWEEET FOOOK ALL,

are you getting with the programme now, FFS

Calm down 1tp. You'll give yourself a nosebleed.

Most banks are willing to allow people a mortgage holiday,haven’t seen any help around for renters though.

by mortgage  holiday I assume they mean adding it on to the back of your 25 yr loan,with record low interest rates and chances of them rising anytime in next 25 years,you bet your sweet arse they,ll let you tag it on to the end of your mortgage, or will it be the same % it is today,

ffs some people see a negative in everything.for anyone struggling to pay it will be a godsend.

people sure want a lot .....  if you choose or have to take time off  either use savings ,take holiday pay ..in advance if necc...  or sell your assets ...car ,even house  ...

if you go to work ill with this virus you should be banged up 

no one should be getting sick pay  ...you should only earn what you have worked for .


mortgage holidays will be a godsend ...i took one myself years ago when i was not earning  ...but the only  problem will be the renters ... maybe housing benefit rules could apply in that one  situation

A person at my place of work has said they will go to work sick rather than have sick pay.
Selfish towards other workers but he said hes putting his family first and they need the money.

tbh I dont think this is selfish at all, imo its the opposite, its selfish to expect this man and his family to suffer for something which isnt his fault, the government should be sending china a massive compensation bill

Good riposte.

There are many ways in which you can interpret such a scenario, no easy answers to this fast developing situation.
A lot more than fifty shades of grey here.

The chinese government should pay for the chaos they have created.

To say this however, is apparently RAYCYST

my regular soccerball income has been savaged too

perhaps I should make a visit to our chinese friends and take greta with me as well to address the chaos they are causing to our ecosystem

two birds with one stone

The Chinese government ought to be asked to help paying for this virus of their making; China can afford it. Also, I think if they'd been more forthcoming and not secretive about the whole thing instead allowed professional experts into their country the consequences would have been less and possibly contained/confined. Now it's spread to the entire world.

Good luck with that project.

IT IS RAYCYST TO MENTION THE CHINESE  - I am so woke and on the ball here

the  former sun fella kelvin McKenzie said last week if a loved one of yours dies because of Chinese food standards,habits,rituals sue them

Crime is going to rocket.

I love chinese style food - mind you we had 13 illegals pulled locally at a big chinese restaurant

13!!!!!

just marinaded 4 chicken breasts  garlic   fresh ginger   tomato  soya sauce wine vinegar  etc

couple of hours

now going to fry with huge assortment of vegetables

onions red green peppers etc etc

sea ewe later

flied bat, tonight

a buddy of mine used to shoot  tree rats and eat them

and he used to shoot canada goose  - very good eating

we found out he used to tease them out of a local lake with sweet corn

no shooting involved at all hahahha

tree rats - are those squirrels moisok?

indeed honey    it was so funny   but seriously   his claims of shooting were silly but he lived on a narrow boat and ate anything he could catch and why not

there is a lot of food out there

sorry  -   to explain - there's  a lot you can trap -=  they do it with crabs and lobsters etc too

sorry  -   to explain - there's  a lot you can trap -=  they do it with crabs and lobsters etc too

Just get back in your cave with the rest of the reactionary freaks

I am the future guru of the internut

If you phone 111 they'll tell you to stay at home for a week.

So straight away the majority of public sector workers will come down with the virus, and take their week off on full pay.

The problem comes later on if they genuinely catch the virus and have to have another week off.

But knowing the public sector nothing would be said anyway.

Marvellous innit.

think government is going to have to think of some sort of a short term version of this universal wage/payment for everyone